Please help Struggling New Here

[timmynkaelynsmama]

I am sitting here crying my eyes out as I type. This will be a long Post I have alot to say, and I just need someone to talk to, and maybe help with answers or scriptures that may make me feel better. But here is mea little about me. I had a lot of problems growing up, I was always teased and picked on in school, so I believe around seventh grade I left public school and went to a private Christian school. Not for good reasons, not because I was a good Christian, honestly just because I thought it but be the easy was. Well this school taught non-denominational, I guess that meant they just went by the Bible. For the first few months I really didn't care much, I was just glad to be out of Public School. But then God grabbed ahold of me, and I was Saved. I was taught alot aut Christ butmore than anything I had happiness. Then I ended up dropping out. I got pregnant at sixteen, and this guy never had anything to do with me afterwords. I loved my baby boy more than anything, but for two years I felt alone, and like God hated me. Then at 18 God sent me the most wonderful man on the planet! lol. He took my child as his own, married me, and adopted my son. Shortly after we were married we got pregnant with a baby girl, she is now one years old. And he still treats them both the same. Heres where my problem starts. Ever since we were married we both believed that we needed to be in church. We come from different religions (Me I went to a Christian Church most my life, and then the non denominational.)( He has always been a baptist.) But we both just believe you should live by the Bible, and Accept Christ as your Savior and you will be Saved. Well We used the excuse that we couldnt go to Church because the kids wouldnt sit still. Finally about 4 months ago we started going to a church that is literaly a small walk away from out house, AND it has a Nursery. We felt very welcomed, I was even BAPTISED! But no sooner than a week after I was Baptised, the devil got ahold of me and made me do some VERY STUPID THINGS. Which I truly believe I have been forgiven for. And I havent strayed since. But now I AM SO CONFUSED! We started coming to a new comers class at church last night, to become members. And one of the topics that were brought up was that babies and small children go straight to hell when they die, I dont know how this was brought up but it was. And I know that God loves us, and HE WOULD NOT SEND BABIES TO HELL!. I am SOOOOOOOOOO confused, the baptist faith is so much different then I thought. I was taught that you can speak in tounges in my Christian School Church, and I was slained in the spirit, and I know that the holy spirit can do that because I FELT IT! But they don't belive that here. WHAT DO I DO! I dont agree with the paster on some things, because he will say something, and I will go home and search my Bible and see that it is not as he says! But he is a great man. I dont know what to do, I love my Church, But Im scared that If I listen to what he says at its not true that God hates me, and I'm gonna go to hell. That is why I'm crying right now, because I dont understand what this feeling that Im having right now is! I just need someone to talk to. I dont know whats right anymore. Im scared that god DOESNT love me, and thats why Im feeling so Depressed, But I'm DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT! Please Help. Direct me to some good scripture please.
Sorry So Long.


Love through Christ
Missy

[Bellicus]

Mark Chapter 10,13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/kingdomofgod.html).
15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.


So how can anyone say that children can be lost, when Jesus say they are OF the kingdom of God? They are not IN the kingdom of God. Not OUTSIDE the kingdom of God. But part OF it, even as they live on earth.


And I suggest you find another place to hear the word of God, if it do not bring you anything good. You know a tree on its fruits. Is crying good fruits? Is fear good fruits? Is depression good fruits. Is doubt good fruits?


You shall listen more to God, then to men. If someone say something that is based upon something else then what you can clearly find in the bible, then it might be wrong, no matter who is talking. Even if your pastor is talking, even if the pope is talking, even if the president is talking, all of what they say might be wrong.

P.S Welcome to the forums :)

[timmynkaelynsmama]

Thank you very much for that scripture. God Bless you. I am struggling so much about staying at this Chruch, I dont know what to do. I feel so welcomed their. I feel peace, and have felt peace ever since I've been there up until last nights class. This preacher seems to love God, and most of the time does back up what hes saying with scripture. But when he says something in class that is not right and I can prove it with scripture would be disrespectful to tell him, or just let it go?

[Bellicus]

But when he says something in class that is not right and I can prove it with scripture would be disrespectful to tell him, or just let it go?

Well, by your description it sounds like a good place, the problem might just be you and how you look at others. There is no such thing as a christian without errors, either it is in actions or in what they say. It is good to question things that don't feel right. It is good to be searching for the truth always. The Spirit is also always a witness of what is truth and what is good.

1Thes 5,21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

If he says something that you know is wrong, because the scripture says something else, then you should let him know. If it is something that is not clear in the scripture either for his or your case, then you can just let go of it if you don't feel you understand it or don't think that it is anything good. But if there is something that is absolutely clear and he refuse to listen, then he is teaching heresy and you should not have anything to do with him at all. That's my opinion.

But again: Prove all things, including what I say here, I got weak faith and limited knowledge, I just want to help. I might be wrong somewhere too.

[JCFantasy23]

Missy

Typically baptists are against the belief babies go to hell when they die and need baptism at birth, which is one of their stronger beliefs. Not sure why this church is preaching differently. Also, on the issues of tongues, it is true many baptists do not believe in it - but some do. It sounds like the church may be rather judgemental. If you find yourself not comfortable, you owe it to yourself and your personal relationship with God to leave in the future.

It sounds like you've led a courageous life and God has greatly blessed you, welcome to the forums, I hope your relationship with the Lord continues to grow from here on out!

[dead2self]

But when he says something in class that is not right and I can prove it with scripture would be disrespectful to tell him, or just let it go?

I would say to definately go to him, open Bible in hand. But be respectful. We all make mistakes. If you show him respectfully from scripture where you believe he is going wrong, at the very least he should discuss it with you. Either he will see that he is wrong or give reasons why he is right and you can discuss your differing interpretations. If he is unwilling to address these sorts of issues I would be quite uncomfortable there.

[dead2self]

By the way, what flavour of Baptist church do you attend? What you describe is unlike any Baptists I have ever heard of.

This babies going to hell thing is ridiculous. It makes God out to be unjust and evil. That is not the God any Baptists I konw believe in. We most certainly do not belive babies and small children go to hell. In fact, every Baptists whoe veiw on this I know believes that there is an age of accountability before which we are not held accountable for our sinful nature.

[MintyAngel]

Please be assured, TNKM, babies and children do NOT go to hell. The way I see it (and feel free to disagree) but your children are already Christians. They were born to Christians parents, in a Christian household and are surrounded by the love of Christ all the time.

The Holy Spirit that lives in both you and your husband also lives in your children. God would never send innocents to hell, that place is for people that deserve it, and children and babies do not :) I too, believe in an age of accountability (a little in the Catholic line, under 7 years old, and children don't realise what they do and say is wrong, so can't be punished for it).

If you still feel anxious about this, then you could always say this prayer for them.

Merciful Father, Creator and Forgiver of all, I lift up my children to you. I ask that you keep them safe and grant them membership of Your Holy Family until such times as they can make the decision to accept your gift of baptism themselves. I humbly ask that you watch over them and if the worst should happen, that you allow them to enter Your Holy Kingdom and allow them to rest in the arms of Your loving Son, Jesus.
In Jesus's Glorious Name - :amen:

[timmynkaelynsmama]

(By the way, what flavour of Baptist church do you attend? What you describe is unlike any Baptists I have ever heard of.

This babies going to hell thing is ridiculous. It makes God out to be unjust and evil. That is not the God any Baptists I konw believe in. We most certainly do not belive babies and small children go to hell. In fact, every Baptists whoe veiw on this I know believes that there is an age of accountability before which we are not held accountable for our sinful nature.)
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Its just a regular baptist church, but the preacher was brought up something different i believe, and then he converted to a baptist, i guess maybe hes bringing some of his old beliefs here?

[suzybeezy]

Attendance at church is suppose to help you grow and mature spiritually. If you find that you do not support the teachings, its hard for it to help you in your walk with God. I would suggest trying out some other churches in your area and pray that God will help you find the church that is alive in the spirit and where he wants you. You'll know it when you find it.

[CherishedbyGod]

Is it a Fundamentalist Baptist Church? It is quite important that you know if it is or not.....Do they believe speaking in tongues is from the devil?

I was in a Fundamentalist Baptist Church for a few years...that is why I ask.

[timmynkaelynsmama]

No they dont believe its from the devil. They say that very few are blessed with that ability.

[dead2self]

(By the way, what flavour of Baptist church do you attend? What you describe is unlike any Baptists I have ever heard of.

This babies going to hell thing is ridiculous. It makes God out to be unjust and evil. That is not the God any Baptists I konw believe in. We most certainly do not belive babies and small children go to hell. In fact, every Baptists whoe veiw on this I know believes that there is an age of accountability before which we are not held accountable for our sinful nature.)
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Its just a regular baptist church, but the preacher was brought up something different i believe, and then he converted to a baptist, i guess maybe hes bringing some of his old beliefs here?

Yeah, I am guessing he's bringing other beliefs in. I'm a baptist and have listened to several decades of sermons form several other baptist denominations. I have never heard of any baptist beliefs like you describe. Also, I'm very conservative and a fundy to boot. My personal beliefs have some of the narrowest requirements for getting to heaven and the broadest views on going to hell. And I still cannot imagine tha idea of babies and children going to hell.

[suzybeezy]

I just wanted to share with you a link to this thread I found that really explained things well http://www.biblebell.org/accountability.html

[CherishedbyGod]

I, personally, could not stay at a church where the Pastor says that babies go to hell.

The reason being, that absolutely trashes the very Character and Nature of God. The very thought of it sickens me, to be honest....

How much untold grief and sorrow would be brought to someone who lost a baby by a belief from a pastor that taught/preached this...Sickening...

[timmynkaelynsmama]

Yea I know, that makes me wonder how much could you really 'love' God if you believed that he would let innocent babies and children into hell. And I am feel much better about all this now , I guess maybe it got to me so bad because I have small children, but if you think about it EVERYONE has to stand before God in judgement day. Everyone, and if a little baby is standing there they obviously could not have sinned or givin God any reason to not let them into the Kingdom of Heaven.

[CherishedbyGod]

Well, I am sorry for coming across so harshly but I get upset about things that put such a blight on the Character of our God.

God is perfectly holy, harmless and innocent Himself and to think that He would send an innocent baby or young child to hell who has no awareness that they are sinners or concept of sin just boggles my mind.

That is not the God that I have come to know or love....I think the man needs a fresh revelation of the love of God through Christ Jesus our Lord...:prayer:

[timmynkaelynsmama]

It didn't come across harsh. I completely understand. I think I need to pray for him alot. Because I believe his heart is trying to be in the right place, but that he just grew up in a different religion, and it is hard to let go of some beliefs that you have grown up with. I believe I am going to talk to him privatly, with scripture in hand, and see how that goes. I know what he said was very wrong, but I truly believe that God sent me to this Church for a reason, a reason I'm not sure of, but I can feel in in my heart and Spirit that theres a reason for all of this.

[timmynkaelynsmama]

It didn't come across harsh. I completely understand. I think I need to pray for him alot. Because I believe his heart is trying to be in the right place, but that he just grew up in a different religion, and it is hard to let go of some beliefs that you have grown up with. I believe I am going to talk to him privatly, with scripture in hand, and see how that goes. I know what he said was very wrong, but I truly believe that God sent me to this Church for a reason, a reason I'm not sure of, but I can feel in in my heart and Spirit that theres a reason for all of this.

[CherishedbyGod]

Well, You are a sweetheart and may the Lord use you mightily.

Just be careful, OK? Guard your heart, dear one and don't let anyone move you away from the love of Christ.

As a long-time Christian, I have found that my fiercest attacks that have swayed me the most from staying in the love of Christ, have been from other Christians.

So sad, but true....

Your sister in Christ,
cherished...

[JoshButler]

Well, I can say that speaking in tongues is in the bible. It does happen. I heard a street preacher "do it" once, though I'm pretty sure he didn't realize it. The important thing is that God is in control of it. The gifts of the spirit we have no control over, though I'm really not sure we have control over anything. Jesus Christ reigns, so you and me and all of our brothers and sisters in Christ just follow His will, which is good!

[Jere209]

I am sitting here crying my eyes out as I type. This will be a long Post I have alot to say, and I just need someone to talk to, and maybe help with answers or scriptures that may make me feel better. But here is mea little about me. I had a lot of problems growing up, I was always teased and picked on in school, so I believe around seventh grade I left public school and went to a private Christian school. Not for good reasons, not because I was a good Christian, honestly just because I thought it but be the easy was. Well this school taught non-denominational, I guess that meant they just went by the Bible. For the first few months I really didn't care much, I was just glad to be out of Public School. But then God grabbed ahold of me, and I was Saved. I was taught alot aut Christ butmore than anything I had happiness. Then I ended up dropping out. I got pregnant at sixteen, and this guy never had anything to do with me afterwords. I loved my baby boy more than anything, but for two years I felt alone, and like God hated me. Then at 18 God sent me the most wonderful man on the planet! lol. He took my child as his own, married me, and adopted my son. Shortly after we were married we got pregnant with a baby girl, she is now one years old. And he still treats them both the same. Heres where my problem starts. Ever since we were married we both believed that we needed to be in church. We come from different religions (Me I went to a Christian Church most my life, and then the non denominational.)( He has always been a baptist.) But we both just believe you should live by the Bible, and Accept Christ as your Savior and you will be Saved. Well We used the excuse that we couldnt go to Church because the kids wouldnt sit still. Finally about 4 months ago we started going to a church that is literaly a small walk away from out house, AND it has a Nursery. We felt very welcomed, I was even BAPTISED! But no sooner than a week after I was Baptised, the devil got ahold of me and made me do some VERY STUPID THINGS. Which I truly believe I have been forgiven for. And I havent strayed since. But now I AM SO CONFUSED! We started coming to a new comers class at church last night, to become members. And one of the topics that were brought up was that babies and small children go straight to hell when they die, I dont know how this was brought up but it was. And I know that God loves us, and HE WOULD NOT SEND BABIES TO HELL!. I am SOOOOOOOOOO confused, the baptist faith is so much different then I thought. I was taught that you can speak in tounges in my Christian School Church, and I was slained in the spirit, and I know that the holy spirit can do that because I FELT IT! But they don't belive that here. WHAT DO I DO! I dont agree with the paster on some things, because he will say something, and I will go home and search my Bible and see that it is not as he says! But he is a great man. I dont know what to do, I love my Church, But Im scared that If I listen to what he says at its not true that God hates me, and I'm gonna go to hell. That is why I'm crying right now, because I dont understand what this feeling that Im having right now is! I just need someone to talk to. I dont know whats right anymore. Im scared that god DOESNT love me, and thats why Im feeling so Depressed, But I'm DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT! Please Help. Direct me to some good scripture please.
Sorry So Long.


Love through Christ
Missy

Missy,
first of all, hugs to you. :hug:I wish I were there, I'd hug you real tight honey.
Second of all, that stuff about babies and small children going to hell when they die, forget that. It's not true.
Third, who said that? Your pastor? Or the teacher of the class? *Just read your post that said the pastor taught the newcomers class* hmmmm
Fourth, have you talked to the pastor about that?

I've got some other things I want to say, but I'll be back later to say them..
love and hugs
jere

[Ed C.]

Ohh it sounds as if you've got yourself a Calvanistic pastor. They believe that man is totally evil and if a baby or child dies they go straight to hell. They also believe in predestination and that man does not have free will unless they are saved. I'm pretty new here myself try checking to see if there's a Calvanism forum thread and check out their belief's. See if the doctrine is something you want to bring your children up in.

[Jere209]

Ohh it sounds as if you've got yourself a Calvanistic pastor. They believe that man is totally evil and if a baby or child dies they go straight to hell. They also believe in predestination and that man does not have free will unless they are saved. I'm pretty new here myself try checking to see if there's a Calvanism forum thread and check out their belief's. See if the doctrine is something you want to bring your children up in.
Hi there. :)
Are you sure all Calvinist believe this way? And, in all religious denominations, you'll find a bit of Calvinism. ;)
Reason I ask is I have a few Calvin friends on this forum, and I'm pretty sure they don't believe this way. So I think it depends upon the pastor.

[Jere209]

Missy, sometimes I find a post that hits too close to home with me, and it always causes me to take a step back and think and remember the past, and let the Lord bring me back to the future. Knowing that had the past not happened, I would not have the present that I enjoy so much, and the family I have.
There is nothing you can do to separate you from the love of God, Missy. nothing. And, in God's eyes, there is not one sin greater than the other one, except one, and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So, even murder is equatable with a lie in His eyes. Now, it is not in man's eyes mind you, ;). But to Him, it's all the same. And, when you pray, repent and ask for God's forgiveness, it's given instantly. As you know. When one repents, God just restores them to the highest place from where they have fallen. (the word repent, broken down means "re" is to do over, and "pent" is "high"). When you have embarked on this journey with the Lord, you'll be tempted, tested, and tried for sure. But mostly it's for character building! ;) but in the end, Missy, its' all for God's glory honey, and if you're willing, God will use you to comfort and help others that have walked where you have. For example, being pregnant and unmarried at age 16. Who better to help and work with the same age girls in the same situation than you? you could volunteer at Women's Crisis Pregnancy centers and help those girls make the right decisions. Because you've lived it, and have a wonderful life now. You're proof that God does help and care and love us.

About your church, ...I would talk this over with the Pastor, ask him to show you in scripture where it states this. don't be surprised if he shows you a scripture that will "almost" back it up. But maybe he won't be able to do so. Once you talk to him, pray with your husband to see if you should leave, but deep down I believe you know you will need to leave this particular church, and God will show you where to go.
I believe tongues is for today, and all the gifts of the Spirit is for us, but I am Pentecostal. :) If you want to sit under this teaching, you will need to find a good church that preaches the Bible and believe in the five fold ministry. I attend an Assembly of God church. They're pretty solid foundationally, and preach the Word of God. In every church you visit, ask for the doctrine of faith or statement of faith, and what they believe. Take your time, and pray ...

I hope and pray all is ok, but if you put your trust in Him, He will lead you and guide you. Psalm 25:4- Teach me Your ways, O Lord, and show me Your paths"
Psalm 46:10 - Be still and know that I am God

hugs
p.s. if you want to send me a private message (pm) feel free to if you want to talk.
Jere

[MintyAngel]

I just wanted to share with you a link to this thread I found that really explained things well http://www.biblebell.org/accountability.html


Thank you so much for this link...it's amazing :clap: