Has Christ's spirit been around since Creation?

[Light So Shine]

I know the story of The Nativity, and the Birth of Jesus. It would be interesting to know what everyone thinks. Even though the baby Jesus was born at a particular time -- in human form -- has His spirit present with God since Creation?:confused::scratch:

What do you think?

[chilehed]

Absolutely. Christ is God, and as such has been since the beginning.

Remember that he said "when Abraham was, I AM" when asked if he had seen Abraham. God's name "I AM" is very significant, it indicates that to exist is essential to his nature and that he is utterly unchanging. You and I do not have to exist, but God does by his very nature. You and I must change, but God by definition does not. That means that God exists eternally, and that everything he does he does eternally.

So in the opening of John's gospel, the inspired writer says "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

THe Nicene Creed summarizes this by saying that we believe in "one Lord Jesus Christ, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father" (consubstantialem Patri).

So yes, Christ exists from the beginning before time and space existed, and his works are not confined to time and space. Because it is of his essence to never change, there is in reality no "time before the Incarnation" or "time after the Crucifixion" because time has no relation to him. He performs these act eternally, they do not begin nor do they end. He is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." All praise be to him.

[LilLamb219]

Wonderful posting, chilehed!

Don't forget that Christ is God as chilehed said.

[RadicallyTransformedMom]

Yes, according to the Bible Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. To add to the scriputures Chile mentioned:

Col 2:9
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

[Radiata]

People sometimes think that the Word is not Jesus. Revelation: 19:11- I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice He judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on His head are many crowns. He has a name written on Him that no one knows but He Himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is the Word of God. This description fits the one for Jesus at the beginning of Revelations as well. Combine this with John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." There are many other places that also support this, but this will do for now.

[Light So Shine]

Those are great replies. Thank you!

[dead2self]

Yep Yep.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

That quote from John really says it all.

[heymikey80]

I thought this was cool, too:
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 Jn 1:1-3

[Steve Petersen]

A Jewish legend says that at Creation, it was the spirit of King Messiah which hovered over the waters.

[Light So Shine]

I thought this was cool, too:
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 Jn 1:1-3
John has always been my favourite Gospel. It never seems to lose its magic.:prayer:
A Jewish legend says that at Creation, it was the spirit of King Messiah which hovered over the waters. I didn't know that.:)

[Radagast]

As people have said, it's all in John 1:

In the beginning was the Word (the Second Person of the Trinity, who is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made (the Word created the Universe). In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world (the Word was becoming Jesus the man).

He (Jesus) was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him, Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

The Word became flesh (became Jesus) and made his dwelling among us. We (the disciples of Jesus) have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth).