A report from an Evangelist - what do you think - is he the real deal?

[Balance]

I just read this from a ministry letter. A well known evangelist gave this account of what happened in one of his meetings.

Do you think this is the real deal?


From the first moment the Holy Hush increased rapidity.

In a just few minutes the power seemed to fall upon the congregation like an instantaneous shock. I cannot describe the sensation that I felt, nor that which was apparent in the congregation; but the word seemed literally to cut like a two edged sword.

The anointing came down on them in such a flood that they fell out of their seats in every direction. In less than a minute almost the whole congregation were either down on their knees, or on their faces, or in some position prostrate before God. Everyone was crying or groaning for mercy upon his own soul. They paid no further attention to me or to my preaching. The sound was deafening.

I tried to get their attention; but I could not. I saw the Pastor who had invited me there as still retaining his seat. He was staring around him with a look of unutterable astonishment.

Pointing to him, I yelled at the top of my voice, "Can't you pray?" He knelt down and shouted out a short prayer, about as loud as he could., but they paid no attention to him.

After looking round for a few moments, I knelt down and put my hand on the head of a young man who was kneeling at my feet, and engaged in prayer for mercy on his soul. I got his attention, and preached Jesus in his ear. In a few moments he seized Jesus by faith, and then broke out in prayer for those around him.

Could this be the next Brownsville?

[Elijah2]

The Holy Spirit was healing HIS CHURCH! You may notice that there was no mention about signs and wonders and manifestations.

Is Brownsville the same as Toronto and Pensacola? If so, then I would avoid it!

Be blessedin Jesus' Name.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Balance]

The Holy Spirit was healing HIS CHURCH! You may notice that there was no mention about signs and wonders and manifestations.



Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Really? What do you call this?

The anointing came down on them in such a flood that they fell out of their seats in every direction. In less than a minute almost the whole congregation were either down on their knees, or on their faces, or in some position prostrate before God.Everyone was crying or groaning for mercy. upon his own soul. They paid no further attention to me or to my preaching The sound was deafening.

Does that sound decently and in order?

[Elijah2]

Really? What do you call this?


Does that sound decently and in order?

Maybe the groanings was the Holy Spirit working through their "soul, and they were being healed within.

Were they shaking, rattling, and rolling, and manifesting in all those other rediculous manifestations of those signs and wonder from other hyped up churches?

Where they laughing out loud and be a nuisance?

I've seen this before on individuals, more so, that a whole congregation.

Maybe the whole congregation was in sin?

As you said that the pastor had no idea what was going on.

Usually in occurences similiar to these occurences, I've seen the pastor going around praying for each individual. And there was no lose of control and respect, but the Holy Spirit was doing His work on those individuals.

Other times I have heard that some churches that get involved in things like "Prayer Soaking" and "Contemplative Prayer" have occurences like this, leaving themself open for the wrong spirits to come in.

Do you have any idea what was the final outcome of it all?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[The Lord is my banner]

Looking forward to the next installment.

[Drwhat]

Hi Balance,
I hope it's not another Brownsville. The 'anointing came down', is another crock expression of charismatic bunckum. Read the bible and you'll know that the Holy Spirit of God is not in a commercial denominational Orthodox Church, period.

Rev 2:13 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=re+2:13&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1)I know thy works, and where thou dwellest[in the modern church], even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you[in church ], where Satan dwelleth.
So where is God's spirit then? Where is the real church away from ego and ostentacious showing out? Here's where my friend,


Mt 18:20 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=mt+18:20&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1)For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

God's spirit is in a few called out chosen elect and only a few, at least for now, that's the plan. God's spirit is in those chosens bodies wroughting them out for a great prize. All Brownsville was was a itching ears hoax. God be with you as you contemplate where God really prefers to be.

[GreatistheLord]

sounds glorious. where did this happen?

rom 14:17 For God's kingdom does not consist of food and drink, but of righteousness, peace, and joy produced by the Holy Spirit.

[GreatistheLord]

God's spirit is in a few called out chosen elect and only a few, at least for now, that's the plan. God's spirit is in those chosens bodies wroughting them out for a great prize. All Brownsville was was a itching ears hoax. God be with you as you contemplate where God really prefers to be.

That's not what my bible says

Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?

God's kingdom and power will be shown on the Earth in fullness, and He is starting to manifest His spirit in power today. What we see is God's sanctification process in the church, the Spirit moves where He desires, and where He see hearts that are open to receive Him.

[Jimbeaux]

I just read this from a ministry letter. A well known evangelist gave this account of what happened in one of his meetings.

Do you think this is the real deal? *****

[Jimbeaux]

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[Jimbeaux]

I just read this from a ministry letter. A well known evangelist gave this account of what happened in one of his meetings.

Do you think this is the real deal?

*****

Could this be the next Brownsville?
Who knows? But it sounds to me like a typical evangelists’ PR mailout. I have received dozens of them through the years.

We used to joke about preachers who gave evang-elastic descriptions of their meeting, or who were speaking “evangelistically” (i.e., hyper-exaggeration)

I have highlighted in red the evang-elastic giveaways …
From the first moment the Holy Hush increased rapidity.

In a just few minutes the power seemed to fall upon the congregation like an instantaneous shock. I cannot describe the sensation that I felt, nor that which was apparent in the congregation; but the word seemed literally to cut like a two edged sword.

The anointing came down on them in such a flood that they fell out of their seats in every direction. In less than a minute almost the whole congregation were either down on their knees, or on their faces, or in some position prostrate before God. Everyone was crying or groaning for mercy upon his own soul. They paid no further attention to me or to my preaching. The sound was deafening.

I tried to get their attention; but I could not. I saw the Pastor who had invited me there as still retaining his seat. He was staring around him with a look of unutterable astonishment.

Pointing to him, I yelled at the top of my voice, "Can't you pray?" He knelt down and shouted out a short prayer, about as loud as he could., but they paid no attention to him.

After looking round for a few moments, I knelt down and put my hand on the head of a young man who was kneeling at my feet, and engaged in prayer for mercy on his soul. I got his attention, and preached Jesus in his ear. In a few moments he seized Jesus by faith, and then broke out in prayer for those around him.
This is so riddled with hype and Madison Avenue language, exaggerated adjectives and verbs that one has to wonder what really took place in that meeting.

Sure it sounds like the next Brownsville. That’s what evangelists’ letters are designed to do.

~Jim


The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.

[JimfromOhio]

After looking round for a few moments, I knelt down and put my hand on the head of a young man who was kneeling at my feet, and engaged in prayer for mercy on his soul. I got his attention, and preached Jesus in his ear. In a few moments he seized Jesus by faith, and then broke out in prayer for those around him.
Depends how this young man got manipulated by? By man or by God (Holy Spirit)? In 1 Corinthians, chapter 2, Paul shunned manipulative form of altar calls or fashion. Paul wrote in verse 4, "My message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom".

This raises the whole question of the doctrine of regeneration because this is the most serious thing of all. WHO ? "I" or "MY" or God?

This work is the work of the Holy Spirit, and His work alone, and no one else can do it. And, as it is His work, it is always a thorough work; and is always a work that will show itself.

In 1 Thessalonians 1:5 says For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance (conviction), as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. Jesus said in John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

You are saved when the Holy Spirit convicting YOU to repent and help you change your ways (not of your own). If you didn't feel the conviction and didn't have the motivation to change from "within", then you will know that you are not saved. The Holy Spirit's convictions are to break down our pleasures, pride, passions, selfish motives so that we can be saved. Understanding and accepting faith is one thing and 'actual conversion by the conviction of the Holy Spirit' is another. Spiritual faith is so different than human faith, saving faith can only come from the Holy Spirit.

No Church (physical), No Denomination (flesh lead), No pastors or anyone can "save" me. Holy Spirit (as part of the spiritual Church) is the only person who can do this through the Word of God along with the Author (Holy Spirit). The difference between "understanding" and "conviction" is the actual conversion. I want to go back to Paul's question in Galatians 3:2 "This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (decision), or by the hearing of faith (conviction) ?"

[Balance]

Did I mention the Evangelist was.......




















Charles Finney

[CryoftheNation]

Did I mention the Evangelist was.......

Charles Finney


:D:D:D:D:D

I have to admit that when I read your post I was waiting for the punch line. I find it amazing that with so little information some people are willing to jump all over this immediately. Oh well.

God bless

Simon

[Alpine]

lol Balance

You really fooled a bunch of people.

You cracked me UP!

I actually don't think Finney preached that far from Madison avenue did he? :-D

[JimfromOhio]

Did I mention the Evangelist was.......




















Charles Finney


I respect him in many ways except for altar calls. I truly believe this altar call was started by Charles Finney. Later, Billy Sunday, D.L. Moody, Billy Graham and others contributed to the widespread acceptance of it and it may not be an issue at some revivals. I have had no problems with their doctrines but I do had some concerns of some practices. One good example is Matthew 7 is one of the most sobering verses in the Bible where Jesus said “The Lord will say to many, ‘I never knew you.’”

A.W. Tozer was one of the few 20th century Evangelical leaders who spoke out against the danger of this system when someone heard one of his messages and at closing, Tozer said ‘Don’t come down here to the altar and cry about it; you go home and live it.’

Also, studying some of his books, surely he would not agree with many of WOF doctrines concept of "recieving blessings NOW".

[Balance]

Well that killed the thread. :D:D

[JimfromOhio]

Well that killed the thread. :D:D

Not really. You just made people more aware of history. :thumbsup:

[Alpine]

Well that killed the thread. :D:D


....and yet it lives! :P

[Faithful Love]

Yep, caught the critics red-handed, ever at the ready to condemn without the facts.

[Jimbeaux]

Did I mention the Evangelist was.......





Charles Finney


Some believers are not as enamored of Finney as are others. The letter in the OP, if indeed it is really Finney’s (it just doesn’t sound like early 19th century prose to me—could you provide a primary source reference for us?), could only lessens their opinion of him.

~Jim
The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.

[JimfromOhio]

Some believers are not as enamored of Finney as are others. The letter in the OP, if indeed it is really Finney’s (it just doesn’t sound like early 19th century prose to me—could you provide a primary source reference for us?), could only lessens their opinion of him.

~Jim

The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.




Ever since he mentioned this, I have been doing some researching and finding it. So far, no luck.

[Balance]

Some believers are not as enamored of Finney as are others. The letter in the OP, if indeed it is really Finney’s (it just doesn’t sound like early 19th century prose to me—could you provide a primary source reference for us?), could only lessens their opinion of him.

~Jim
The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.



There we go again - making things personal and calling my honesty into question.

Mr. Miller - you are disappointedly predictable.

[JimfromOhio]

I have greatest respect for the pastors I have known and respected who asked his congregation or anyone to keep checking on his teachings, including his sources of information. In fact, one pastor who was mentor got me started to keep checking on his teachings and was thankful that he asked me to be his accountability.

[Balance]

I have greatest respect for the pastors I have known and respected who asked his congregation or anyone to keep checking on his teachings, including his sources of information. In fact, one pastor who was mentor got me started to keep checking on his teachings and was thankful that he asked me to be his accountability.


I am sure whatever pastor you sit under is abundantly blessed to have you there.

How is your church going?

[JimfromOhio]

I am sure whatever pastor you sit under is abundantly blessed to have you there.

How is your church going?

My pastor died of cancer.

This is from my journal that I shared with many people.


My mentor, my good friend, my pastor.

In 1986, the Lord called Eugene Bordean to establish the Liberty Baptist Church of the Deaf in Columbus, Ohio, with the purpose of reaching the Deaf. The first church service was held in the basement of a McDonald's Restaurant on September 7, 1986.

Eugene had a burden to share the gospel with the 175 million Deaf around the world. He had the great privilege of going on three missionary trips: two times he went to Romania for a couple of weeks, and one time he and his family and others from the church went to Jamaica for two weeks to work with the Deaf. One of his long term goals was to plant a Deaf Church in Chicago, Toledo, Flint, Detroit, and Pittsburgh.

As the founder and pastor of Liberty Baptist Church of the Deaf (http://www.libertybaptistdeafchurch.org/), Eugene established a Deaf Men's Advance and a Deaf Couple's Retreat which meet annually. The Lord blessed Eugene's prayerful determination in reaching the Deaf community with the gospel as evident in 1999 as the church averaged 110 people for the Sunday morning worship service each week. Liberty Baptist Church of the Deaf also has a great outreach ministry with the students at the Ohio School for the Deaf by bringing them to church every Wednesday night for bible study.

Eugene served on the Advisory Board for the Silent Word Ministries under the direction of Ted Camp in Trenton Georgia for a few years. He was also on the Board of Directors for Baptist International Missions, Inc. (BIMI) Deaf Bible College in Ringold, Georgia. Also, he was on the Dorothy E. Ann Fund (D.E.A.F.) Advisory Board in Columbus, Ohio.

Eugene loved serving the Lord with his wife and three children. It was Eugene's desire that people remember that he loved his God, loved his family, and loved his people (Deaf people). Eugene's life verse was Jude 1:22, "And of some, having compassion, making a difference." During Eugene's devotions in the spring of 1997, his devotional book asked if he wanted God to use him in a mighty way. Eugene thought a moment and decided God had used him in some ways by starting several organizations for the deaf and a Deaf church, but Eugene felt that God had not yet used him mightily. Eugene told God he would surrender to His will in order to be used and give Him the glory. Eugene and Sharon had no idea what was about to happen. Although Eugene had been sick off and on for five months, Eugene and his family were shocked when he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on April 18, 1997.

After praying for God's will, he and his wife sought alternative treatments. Eugene often said he did not want to go back to the days before cancer because God taught him so much during his struggle with cancer. Often, he would remind his family to fear God and not to fear cancer. (Matthew 6:33-34) In fact, as a result of Eugene becoming closer and closer to God during his cancer, during his devotions one spring morning in 1998, Eugene told God that he was willing to take cancer back if there would be revival in his own life,in the lives of his family, and in the lives of the Deaf people at church and around the world.

That summer, the doctor informed him that cancer had come back in his liver. In September, the oncologist only gave Eugene four or five months to live. Eugene and his wife prayed and trusted God to do what He wanted and that they would keep their eyes on the Lord each step of the way. Soon after the doctor gave Eugene such a despairing report, his wife heard a preacher on the radio say, "A man of God, in the will of God, is immortal until his work on earth is done." This gave them much hope knowing that Eugene's life was completely in the hands of God and not in the hands of doctors. They again held onto the verse that God gave Eugene just before his surgery in May 1997. Psalm 20:7 says, "Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; but we will remember the name of the Lord our God."

The Bordeans realized some people may trust in doctors, some in medicine, but they trusted in God On Friday morning, September 10, 1999, the victory was won. Family and friends saw so many miracles happen in Eugene's life during the 28 months he battled cancer. God took Eugene home to be with Him. Finally, Eugene's pain was over, suffering was ended. Only eternity will tell how God has used Eugene's life and death to influence many Deaf and hearing people here and around the world.


This church is continuing to grow with a deaf pastor and some leaders who Pastor Eugene have had impacted in their lives. They are serving God and growing. I am not there because there were those who expected me to become a pastor (I preached whenever Pastor Eugene could not be there). I wanted to give a new pastor a new start without me there. Besides, it is too far to me to attend Church. I still stay in touch with them.

I am still looking for a church where I can serve more than I can gain from. Still waiting for Him to guide me as He always has.

[dkbwarrior]

What a hoot! I knew as soon as I read the opening post that it was going to be a historical church leader.

I did the same thing awhile back with a quote from Luther. Amazing how many people jumped all over it in judgement, until I revealed it was a Luther quote.

What is amazing to me is how quick people are to judge. No matter that most of what we believe is orthodox in nature, the spirit that is trying to accuse the brethren has no conscience. It appeals to a persons ego and false humility, promising 'facts', but only producing condemnation and death.

Peace...

[JimfromOhio]

What a hoot! I knew as soon as I read the opening post that it was going to be a historical church leader.

I did the same thing awhile back with a quote from Luther. Amazing how many people jumped all over it in judgement, until I revealed it was a Luther quote.

What is amazing to me is how quick people are to judge. No matter that most of what we believe is orthodox in nature, the spirit that is trying to accuse the brethren has no conscience. It appeals to a persons ego and false humility, promising 'facts', but only producing condemnation and death.

Peace...

So, its easier to have gullible lurkers huh? :D

[NewSong]

This wasn't really an honest question was it? I mean you ask only to know that there are many of us that will disagree with some things. When this question was posed, did you really want an answer or did you want to try to make fools of everyone with deception? I think this thread indicates that I no longer trust threads started by certain individuals lest they try to lay traps for sincere believers. I am appalled.

[dkbwarrior]

This wasn't really an honest question was it? I mean you ask only to know that there are many of us that will disagree with some things. When this question was posed, did you really want an answer or did you want to try to make fools of everyone with deception? I think this thread indicates that I no longer trust threads started by certain individuals lest they try to lay traps for sincere believers. I am appalled.

:doh:

[dkbwarrior]

This wasn't really an honest question was it? I mean you ask only to know that there are many of us that will disagree with some things. When this question was posed, did you really want an answer or did you want to try to make fools of everyone with deception? I think this thread indicates that I no longer trust threads started by certain individuals lest they try to lay traps for sincere believers. I am appalled.

Sincere believers are not so quick to judge their brothers.

Peace...

[FoundInGrace]

What I find interesting is that the groans came from crying for mercy from God.

The modern day 'revivals' unfortunately don't seem to have that same element of crying for mercy from our Holy God in them as much, which is really sad imo.

All the signs and wonders in the world won't ever come close to a contrite and broken heart before God.

[FoundInGrace]

Sincere believers are not so quick to judge their brothers.

Peace...

ouch that was low.. cos she has a point about the thread's intent

[CryoftheNation]

I think that the threads intent was to prove a point. That we tend to jump all over movements that don't match our own comfort levels. The problem is we had such a low level of information that the correct thing, from either side, would have been to say "sorry, I don't have enough information to make a decision either way. Please tell me more". Instead we have people ready to denounce it from one small quotation.

That was the intention, in my view.

God bless

Simon

[Tamara224]

Some believers are not as enamored of Finney as are others. The letter in the OP, if indeed it is really Finney’s (it just doesn’t sound like early 19th century prose to me—could you provide a primary source reference for us?), could only lessens their opinion of him.

~Jim

The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.




There we go again - making things personal and calling my honesty into question.

Mr. Miller - you are disappointedly predictable.



Balance, can you or can you not prove that the OP's source is really Finney?

Regardless of your personal issues with Jim, his question is valid.

Provide a link, or reference, or something to support your OP. Otherwise, it's looking like you made it up.

[Tamara224]

Some believers are not as enamored of Finney as are others. The letter in the OP, if indeed it is really Finney’s (it just doesn’t sound like early 19th century prose to me—could you provide a primary source reference for us?), could only lessens their opinion of him.

~Jim

The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.




There we go again - making things personal and calling my honesty into question.

Mr. Miller - you are disappointedly predictable.


This looks like an evasion.

Can you or can you not prove that the source of the OP was Finney?

Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.

[Jimbeaux]

There we go again - making things personal and calling my honesty into question.

Mr. Miller - you are disappointedly predictable.

Well, B, I am still waiting.

I am just “proving all things,” like 1 Thess. 5 21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess%205.21;&version=51;50;) commands us to do.

Do you have a problem with me doing what the scriptures say?

Anyhow, if you are being honest it will be no problem for you to prove that the quote in the OP is, in fact, a quote from Charles Finney. Surely you found it among his writings somewhere. Or did you borrow it from some spurious secondary source?

I am not saying I disbelieve (or believe) you. If you can prove it, great. I will be happy if you do.

If not, then maybe you should retract the OP.

~Jim

The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.

[Balance]

Well, B, I am still waiting.

I am just “proving all things,” like 1 Thess. 5 21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thess%205.21;&version=51;50;) commands us to do.

Do you have a problem with me doing what the scriptures say?

Anyhow, if you are being honest it will be no problem for you to prove that the quote in the OP is, in fact, a quote from Charles Finney. Surely you found it among his writings somewhere. Or did you borrow it from some spurious secondary source?

I am not saying I disbelieve (or believe) you. If you can prove it, great. I will be happy if you do.

If not, then maybe you should retract the OP.

~Jim

The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.


If you had been polite, if you had treated me with even a modicum of respect, if you had not turned this thing into a personal affront to me.

I would have given you anything you wanted.

Until you can talk to me without accusations, and this condescending attitude - I don't owe you anything - not even a reply.

[Tamara224]

If you had been polite, if you had treated me with even a modicum of respect, if you had not turned this thing into a personal affront to me.

I would have given you anything you wanted.

Until you can talk to me without accusations, and this condescending attitude - I don't owe you anything - not even a reply.





More evasion. Now I really think you made it up.

[Balance]

I think that the threads intent was to prove a point. That we tend to jump all over movements that don't match our own comfort levels. The problem is we had such a low level of information that the correct thing, from either side, would have been to say "sorry, I don't have enough information to make a decision either way. Please tell me more". Instead we have people ready to denounce it from one small quotation.

That was the intention, in my view.

God bless

Simon


Hey!!!! Someone gets it!! Many reps coming your way.

[Alpine]

Some believers are not as enamored of Finney as are others. The letter in the OP, if indeed it is really Finney’s (it just doesn’t sound like early 19th century prose to me—could you provide a primary source reference for us?), could only lessens their opinion of him.

~Jim
The Bible is so simple you have to have help to misunderstand it.




I've seen this stuff before. I'm pretty sure it's legit.

[Alpine]

Ok, I've now spent 2 minutes researching this and found all kinds of links that show this is legit and not made up by Balance.

http://truthinheart.com/EarlyOberlinCD/CD/Finney/Sermons/baptism.htm
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/finney/power.iv.html
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1868_75Independent/720704_the_enduement.htm

I'd keep on researching this, but, I'm tired and going to bed. :-)

[Balance]

I've seen this stuff before. I'm pretty sure it's legit, though I cannot point to an online source

I don't know if it's online -

I have access to a whole lot of print that, as far as I know is only in some university libraries.

Here's another quote from the same Finney sermon:



The new heart does not, cannot sin. This John in his first
Epistle expressly affirms.

Charles G. Finney

[Alpine]

I don't know if it's online -

I have access to a whole lot of print that, as far as I know is only in some university libraries.

Here's another quote from the same Finney sermon:



The new heart does not, cannot sin. This John in his first
Epistle expressly affirms.

Charles G. Finney






You missed my post just before your new one, I found a bunch of links with the text.

[Balance]

Ok, I've now spent 2 minutes researching this and found all kinds of links that show this is legit and not made up by Balance.

http://truthinheart.com/EarlyOberlinCD/CD/Finney/Sermons/baptism.htm
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/finney/power.iv.html
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1868_75Independent/720704_the_enduement.htm

I'd keep on researching this, but, I'm tired and going to bed. :-)


You're close -

It's from a sermon entitled Power from on High.

[Tenebrae]

There we go again - making things personal and calling my honesty into question.

Mr. Miller - you are disappointedly predictable.

I also like primary sources. Not interested in whether you are a cleaner or a pastor. I like being able to read the OP in its orginal context. Call it 3 years of being a student, its a hard habbit to break.


So, do you have a linkie please?

[Alpine]

You're close -

It's from a sermon entitled Power from on High.



Here's the whole thing
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1944power_from_on_high/power.htm

[pinetree]

I don't know if it's online -

I have access to a whole lot of print that, as far as I know is only in some university libraries.

Here's another quote from the same Finney sermon:


The new heart does not, cannot sin. This John in his first
Epistle expressly affirms.

Charles G. Finney



ya know guys,I have to admit.

Balance was clever,he set a trap,why cant we just laugh it off.:D:thumbsup:

[NewSong]

Ok, I've now spent 2 minutes researching this and found all kinds of links that show this is legit and not made up by Balance.

http://truthinheart.com/EarlyOberlinCD/CD/Finney/Sermons/baptism.htm
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/finney/power.iv.html
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1868_75Independent/720704_the_enduement.htm

I'd keep on researching this, but, I'm tired and going to bed. :-)

Alpine I had looked at those earlier and I don't see what you are saying in those particular threads. I am from Finney country and I think I have made myself a pretty extensive list of links and went through them. Thanks for trying to provide citation for the OP!

[NewSong]

Here's the whole thing
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1944power_from_on_high/power.htm


Did you find the sermon Alpine?


YHave a Blessed Day! Y

[Alpine]

Closed at the request of the OP
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