Should Saints Look To Preachers As An Example ??

[pinetree]

Can someone on the forum please help me?:)

I read this..and then I wonder where the scriptures say we are we supossed to seek money. Especially leaders.:o

Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,he desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.


They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.


Then I see these preachers jets,multimillion dollar compounds:o,and all these get money teachings,almost with a mobid goulish facination with money,and I start to wonder.:scratch: Is it a fetish?^_^

Your thoughts..

Ps,boy oh boy,Imagine if God told them,to sell all they have and give it to the poor..whew!!

Talk about weeping and lamantations!:D;):P

[LeadWorship]

Here we go again. :doh:

[probinson]

Why are you so concerned with everyone else's money?

[pinetree]

Here we go again. :doh:
hello friend,by the way,nice to meet ya.:wave:

look at this a morning coffee with brother pinetree.:)

[pinetree]

Why are you so concerned with everyone else's money?
good morning brother Peter.:wave:
concerned for ths gospel,would be better phraseology.;)

[BenAdam]

If you buy my book for US $45 dollars, it will all be made clear to you Brother Pinetree.

[pinetree]

If you buy my book for US $45 dollars, it will all be made clear to you Brother Pinetree.
30.00 and that is my final offer!

[ARBITER01]

No, we should never look to another preacher or evangelist, ect. We are each given our race to run, each to ensure our own salvation, so we are to be concerned with what The Father has given us to do.

Distraction can be a great hinderance.

[BenAdam]

30.00 and that is my final offer!

For a $100 love gift, I'll give you the book and the DVD.

[pinetree]

For a $100 love gift, I'll give you the book and the DVD.
:D:D

[GrapeGirl]

For a $100 love gift, I'll give you the book and the DVD.



Heeeey wait a gosh darned minute. You told me $250!

[BenAdam]

Heeeey wait a gosh darned minute. You told me $250!
Be blessed sister, he needs it more than you.

[GrapeGirl]

bull! I'm trying to save up to get my own place here!

[BenAdam]

bull! I'm trying to save up to get my own place here!
then you must learn to sow a seed, be filled, be at peace

[GrapeGirl]

lol.

[~RENEE~]

bull! I'm trying to save up to get my own place here!
So am I plus new eyeglasses plus a new bed I am getting so tired of sleeping on the floor got ya beaaaaaaat got ya beeeeeeeaaaaaat. Ha ha I win.:P

[LeadWorship]

You see, there's no honest appeal in the OP, rather it's an attempt and attack at certain ministries. Wolves in sheep's clothing - that's what these types of threads are. If you look to anyone other than Christ as your example, then woe be unto you.

[GrapeGirl]

So am I plus new eyeglasses plus a new bed I am getting so tired of sleeping on the floor got ya beaaaaaaat got ya beeeeeeeaaaaaat. Ha ha I win.:P



This time you win....but next time....



VICTORY IS MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BenAdam]

You see, there's no honest appeal in the OP, rather it's an attempt and attack at certain ministries. Wolves in sheep's clothing - that's what these types of threads are. If you look to anyone other than Christ as your example, then woe be unto you.

In all seriousness, we should look to those that are of good report and follow their example, in as much as they are following Christ.

[LeadWorship]

In all seriousness, we should look to those that are of good report and follow their example, in as much as they are following Christ.

Tis true, and I left that out of my post - those that are of good report are allowing Christ to work through them so inasmuch it is still looking to Christ. That's almosty tricksy lol.

[LeadWorship]

It's Galations 2:20 (http://bible.cc/galatians/2-20.htm)

"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

[GrapeGirl]

I don't like to "look to" people because that makes it harder for me to have a relationship with them. If I look to them, then I have a tendency to think that they are better than me. I still struggle with that, so there are some people that I just don't talk to much. But I'm working on it. However, for those who don't have the same problem as I do, I don't think it's a bad thing at all to look to someone who is walking rightly in Christ as an example. I like to just look to Christ Himself, but sometimes my mind can't seem to grasp that. So I guess it depends on "the saint".

[Tamara224]

I don't like to "look to" people because that makes it harder for me to have a relationship with them. If I look to them, then I have a tendency to think that they are better than me. I still struggle with that, so there are some people that I just don't talk to much. But I'm working on it. However, for those who don't have the same problem as I do, I don't think it's a bad thing at all to look to someone who is walking rightly in Christ as an example. I like to just look to Christ Himself, but sometimes my mind can't seem to grasp that. So I guess it depends on "the saint".


Yeah, good thoughts on this. This is a tricky subject.

There are several instances in the Bible where it says to imitate Paul or other apostles/disciples:

1 Corinthians 4:15-17

15For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
16Therefore I exhort you, be imitators of me. 17For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church.

1 Corinthians 11:1
Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

And we're told to follow the example of others:

Philippians 3:17
17Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us.

There are more, but I won't belabor the point.

I guess we just have to 1) be sure we're imitating the right people and 2) not cross the line from respecting people and looking to them as an example into idolizing them.

[GrapeGirl]

I don't think my problem is with idolization... I do in fact, know that people are just that....people. But my problem is more with my own self-esteem. I have a really bad self esteem. My favorite bible verse for the longest time was "we have become the scum of the earth". (1 Corinthians 4:13) And God really began to impress upon me that nobody was better than me but that I am equal with all my brothers and sisters in Christ. We are all scum at the foot of the cross and we are all redeemed walking past the cross. But then after I walk so far, I see the things that other people mess up on and the things that I mess up on and I guess from all the crap in my past, I think they are better than me somehow because their struggles don't seem to conquer them as much or because their struggles aren't as "sinful" as mine. Even though I know in my head that this way of thinking is wrong.

So all that to say, I agree with ya.

[Tamara224]

I don't think my problem is with idolization... I do in fact, know that people are just that....people. But my problem is more with my own self-esteem. I have a really bad self esteem. My favorite bible verse for the longest time was "we have become the scum of the earth". (1 Corinthians 4:13) And God really began to impress upon me that nobody was better than me but that I am equal with all my brothers and sisters in Christ. We are all scum at the foot of the cross and we are all redeemed walking past the cross. But then after I walk so far, I see the things that other people mess up on and the things that I mess up on and I guess from all the crap in my past, I think they are better than me somehow because their struggles don't seem to conquer them as much or because their struggles aren't as "sinful" as mine. Even though I know in my head that this way of thinking is wrong.

So all that to say, I agree with ya.

Yeah, that can be a difficult struggle that, IMO, we all face at times. I certainly have.

But, if I had to choose... it's better than going around thinking you're better than everyone else all the time and that they are the scum beneath your shoes. :thumbsup:

[GrapeGirl]

I guess so lol. I know a lot of times I wish I had HALF the confidence that must take though.

[NewSong]

I don't like to "look to" people because that makes it harder for me to have a relationship with them. If I look to them, then I have a tendency to think that they are better than me. I still struggle with that, so there are some people that I just don't talk to much. But I'm working on it. However, for those who don't have the same problem as I do, I don't think it's a bad thing at all to look to someone who is walking rightly in Christ as an example. I like to just look to Christ Himself, but sometimes my mind can't seem to grasp that. So I guess it depends on "the saint".
You are real...and I can so relate with so many things you say. Hold that thought!

[pinetree]

You see, there's no honest appeal in the OP, rather it's an attempt and attack at certain ministries. Wolves in sheep's clothing - that's what these types of threads are. If you look to anyone other than Christ as your example, then woe be unto you.
:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[pinetree]

Be blessed sister, he needs it more than you.
your right:blush:

[GrapeGirl]

You see, there's no honest appeal in the OP, rather it's an attempt and attack at certain ministries. Wolves in sheep's clothing - that's what these types of threads are. If you look to anyone other than Christ as your example, then woe be unto you.




Dagnabbit I always get the "woe" part!!!!!!!!

[pinetree]

we should all look to Jesus!!:clap::clap::clap:

[Optimax]

Can someone on the forum please help me?:)

I read this..and then I wonder where the scriptures say we are we supossed to seek money. Especially leaders.:o

Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,he desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.


They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.


Then I see these preachers jets,multimillion dollar compounds:o,and all these get money teachings,almost with a mobid goulish facination with money,and I start to wonder.:scratch: Is it a fetish?^_^

Your thoughts..

Ps,boy oh boy,Imagine if God told them,to sell all they have and give it to the poor..whew!!

Talk about weeping and lamantations!:D;):P

Everyone is responsible for what they believe. Not the pastor, teacher or any other person.

That means ( a lot of people do not want to hear this and some will flat refuse).

That means a lot of work is going to be required for personnel time reading, study, study, study and more study.

Did I mention study?;)

The most knowledgeable ministers I have listened to will tell you not to take their word for anything but to check it out for yourself.

A minister if called of God is responsible for what they preach/teach and is accountable to God.

If we do not agree, we do not support the ministry.

Wisdom lets the accountability remain with God, not with us.

[ARBITER01]

Everyone is responsible for what they believe. Not the pastor, teacher or any other person.

That means ( a lot of people do not want to hear this and some will flat refuse).

That means a lot of work is going to be required for personnel time reading, study, study, study and more study.

Did I mention study?;)

The most knowledgeable ministers I have listened to will tell you not to take their word for anything but to check it out for yourself.

A minister if called of God is responsible for what they preach/teach and is accountable to God.

If we do not agree, we do not support the ministry.

Wisdom lets the accountability remain with God, not with us.


You can just study all your life and be a complete failure before GOD. We are each given a will from HIM to obtain, and that will doesn't require any of us to be scholars, it requires us to do the works that Jesus did. Without those works of His, our faith is dead before GOD.

[Optimax]

You can just study all your life and be a complete failure before GOD. We are each given a will from HIM to obtain, and that will doesn't require any of us to be scholars, it requires us to do the works that Jesus did. Without those works of His, our faith is dead before GOD.

To each his own.:wave:

[ARBITER01]

To each his own.:wave:

That's exactly right.

[~RENEE~]

uh arbiter. I think you need to cut down on this guy's caffeine intake.

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[ARBITER01]

uh arbiter. I think you need to cut down on this guy's caffeine intake.

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Bouncy mouse is happy.

[Optimax]

uh arbiter. I think you need to cut down on this guy's caffeine intake.

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Maybe that is what happens when one does not study the word of God.:D

[ARBITER01]

Maybe that is what happens when one does not study the word of God.:D


Thats right, when I read it more than just study it, and I draw close unto GOD each day in prayer, I'm at peace and happy. If I study it and make it my idol, and forsake my established relationship with HIM, I loose that peace.

All things must lead to Jesus, and He comes first before anything else.

[~RENEE~]

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 (King James Version)

[Optimax]

Jn 1:1-2
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.
KJV

[JimfromOhio]

There are those who are using Christianity to gain wealth and take advantage of those who are looking for answers. 1 Timothy 3:7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap. Evangelism requires courtesy from a believer and be Christ-like. Many have accepted Christ by watching Christians more than talking. My dictionary defines integrity as 'consistency and sincerity, with no deception or pretense'. Integrity's overriding quality is wholeness. A spiritual leader ought to be humble, self-effacing, self-sacrificing, modest, clean living, free from the love of money, eager to promote the honor of God and just as eager to disclaim any credit or praise on self-promotion that inspection, ethical standards will be high and personal life is above reproach.

[ARBITER01]

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 (King James Version)

It is better to have updated greek,..


15 (NKJV) Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


We do not make the bible our idol, we make Jesus above our idol. He comes before anything. It is a relationship with Him, and when we allow other things, even bible study, to infringe upon that relationship, we suffer loss spiritually.

[~RENEE~]

You are the only one saying make it an idol. What I am talking is hiding his word in your heart. It IS part of that relationship.

[JimfromOhio]

You are the only one saying make it an idol. What I am talking is hiding his word in your heart. It IS part of that relationship.
There is nothing wrong with having a desire to prosper as long as our motives are correct. Christians' view of money and material possessions is an effective barometer of our spirituality. As Jesus said, "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matthew 6:21). In Proverbs 4:23, "Above all else, guard your heart, for it affects everything you do." (NLT) In Proverbs 21:2, "People may think they are doing what is right, but the Lord examines the heart." (NLT)

Oh yes, look at my signature. :thumbsup:

[~RENEE~]

There is nothing wrong with having a desire to prosper as long as our motives are correct. Christians' view of money and material possessions is an effective barometer of our spirituality. As Jesus said, "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matthew 6:21). In Proverbs 4:23, "Above all else, guard your heart, for it affects everything you do." (NLT) In Proverbs 21:2, "People may think they are doing what is right, but the Lord examines the heart." (NLT)

Oh yes, look at my signature. :thumbsup:


Originally Posted by ~RENEE~ http://img.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=47960829#post47960829)
You are the only one saying make it an idol. What I am talking is hiding his word in your heart. It IS part of that relationship.

:confused:

huh?

[ARBITER01]

You are the only one saying make it an idol. What I am talking is hiding his word in your heart. It IS part of that relationship.

Then if your relationship is a daily communication with Him, and a daily feeding upon of the word, that is fine. The problem comes in when certain individuals of the WOF mentality point towards the bible as our source for everything, including faith, instead of our Lord on the throne.

Jesus comes first before anything.

[~RENEE~]

Then if your relationship is a daily communication with Him, and a daily feeding upon of the word, that is fine. The problem comes in when certain individuals of the WOF mentality point towards the bible as our source for everything, including faith, instead of our Lord on the throne.

Jesus comes first before anything.Yes He does. But if you throw out the bible then you throw ou
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let's try that again if you throw out the bible then you throw out one avenue God uses to teach us Jesus.

sorry 2 yr on my knee. thaught he needed to throw in his 2 cents

[map4]

Yes He does. But if you throw out the bible then you throw ou
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let's try that again if you throw out the bible then you throw out one avenue God uses to teach us Jesus.

sorry 2 yr on my knee. thaught he needed to throw in his 2 cents


Now, that's funny...it's been a while but I can relate. Mine are teenagers now. Enjoy every minute Renee, which I"m sure you do!

[ARBITER01]

Yes He does. But if you throw out the bible then you throw ou
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let's try that again if you throw out the bible then you throw out one avenue God uses to teach us Jesus.

sorry 2 yr on my knee. thaught he needed to throw in his 2 cents


Did I say throw out the bible?