There, but for the grace of God...

[Light So Shine]

I have often wondered what this expression means. I have sometimes heard people say 'there, but for the grace of God, go I'; or another variation of the same expression. Why do people say it? What does it actually mean? For some reason, I can't figure it out.:scratch::sorry:

I have also heard a more secular variation, in the lyrics to this Simon and Garfunkel song Kathy's Song, which I believe was written by Paul Simon. There but for the grace of you go I.

[suzybeezy]

means something bad that has happened to someone else could have happened to you, and you were spared by the grace of God

[Drwhat]

Hi Light So Shine,
the expression goes way back to when people still said things like, "God's speed be with you" or "God willing". Many years ago people actually believed that God was sovereign over all creation and that He operates in all to His good will, which of course He does but today Christians really don't believe that never mind that secular nations don't believe in the sovereignity of God either. Most of mankind believe in their supposed own free-wills which makes God merely an equal or even inferior to man.

Now back to your question, God willing. God's grace is not what Orthodox Christianity teaches it is which is just all lovey dovey hearts and flowers and a big fat pat on the back, you know things like he was favoured by God's grace to have a successful business or by God's grace she had twins,etc. Many moons ago Christians also knew that God's grace is also a rod of correction and that His grace can also burn sin out of you, so when something horrific or tragic happened to someone people would say, "There before the grace of God go I". Meaning God must be teaching someone one heck of a hard lesson and that you wouldn't fancy God bursting into your life and teaching you a similar lesson.

Hope that helps a little and here's another expresion seldom heard nowadays but it still stands, "May God's will be done, as it surely will be".

[Light So Shine]

"May God's will be done, as it surely will be".

I like that one!:D

It is, indeed, a shame that we don't hear people saying that kind of thing, anymore. It would be sad, if that kind of linguistic heritage, were lost forever. I am a real lover of language! But, I think it's necessary to be mindful of people of other faiths -- and those who don't believe in God. :) I only mean that society has changed a lot, and continues to change. :confused:

I suppose I'm rambling a bit. Thank you, both, for being so helpful.