Can a real move of God be stopped?

[NewSong]

I have heard it said by several preachers who told their congregations to repent because if they didn't then there wouldn't be a move of God. I was so saddened to hear this was the sermon in my brother's church this a.m. It was all about dotting the i's and crossing the t's so they could have a move of God. His church is not the only church that makes these statements and it is most distressing to me when I hear them. A former church I attended, I was told that I was the reason there was not move of God and it was because I had stuff I needed to repent of though God never told me what it was. So help me on this one and yes I posted here in the debate thread because I do not believe a real move of God can be stopped ... I think that is words to control an individual and to explain why there aren't any actions happening in a church that talks about all this stuff happening but has nothing to show for it. What do you think?

[JimfromOhio]

I have heard it said by several preachers who told their congregations to repent because if they didn't then there wouldn't be a move of God. I was so saddened to hear this was the sermon in my brother's church this a.m. It was all about dotting the i's and crossing the t's so they could have a move of God. His church is not the only church that makes these statements and it is most distressing to me when I hear them. A former church I attended, I was told that I was the reason there was not move of God and it was because I had stuff I needed to repent of though God never told me what it was. So help me on this one and yes I posted here in the debate thread because I do not believe a real move of God can be stopped ... I think that is words to control an individual and to explain why there aren't any actions happening in a church that talks about all this stuff happening but has nothing to show for it. What do you think?

I have been involved in a church like this and often I avoid any churches that do this. Repenting is between God and each individual believers which has no impact of a local Church spiritually. Often when a Church is not going anywhere, it means both Church leaders and the members are at fault.

Billy Graham once said "Churchgoers are like coals in a fire. When they cling together, they keep the flame aglow; when they separate, they die out."

Today churches are looking for better methods; God is looking for better Christians. The Holy Spirit does not flow through methods, but through Christians. A local church is our spiritual family and it is only through the local body that we are committed to the level of intimacy that is required for spiritual growth between brothers & sisters in Christ "to love and good deeds." Only through that kind spiritual initamcy where we can encourage one another for spiritual growth and leading others to Christ.

[Elijah2]

I have heard it said by several preachers who told their congregations to repent because if they didn't then there wouldn't be a move of God. I was so saddened to hear this was the sermon in my brother's church this a.m. It was all about dotting the i's and crossing the t's so they could have a move of God. His church is not the only church that makes these statements and it is most distressing to me when I hear them. A former church I attended, I was told that I was the reason there was not move of God and it was because I had stuff I needed to repent of though God never told me what it was. So help me on this one and yes I posted here in the debate thread because I do not believe a real move of God can be stopped ... I think that is words to control an individual and to explain why there aren't any actions happening in a church that talks about all this stuff happening but has nothing to show for it. What do you think?

Hi NS,

God is moving all the time but we never see it.

But, confession and repentance is the answer to dead churches and overboard churches.

I heard TB make a statement about making God move, well that is an overstatement.

Any movement in His Word doesn't speak about a "move of God".

Therefore, as I said before that HE is moving all the time, and we don't see it.

Confession, repentance, forgiveness and love is the key to all movement of the Kingdom of God.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Faithful Love]

The Word tells a story about Achan and how his one sin stopped the whole group from being blessed. Joshua 7

Repentence is a topic that needs to be preached.

[ARBITER01]

I have heard it said by several preachers who told their congregations to repent because if they didn't then there wouldn't be a move of God. I was so saddened to hear this was the sermon in my brother's church this a.m. It was all about dotting the i's and crossing the t's so they could have a move of God. His church is not the only church that makes these statements and it is most distressing to me when I hear them. A former church I attended, I was told that I was the reason there was not move of God and it was because I had stuff I needed to repent of though God never told me what it was. So help me on this one and yes I posted here in the debate thread because I do not believe a real move of God can be stopped ... I think that is words to control an individual and to explain why there aren't any actions happening in a church that talks about all this stuff happening but has nothing to show for it. What do you think?


Newsong, there is a misconception about what is a move of GOD. Some folks think that GOD is going to just up and do something outside of HIS children when enough folks gather together in praise, and that is untrue. GOD always moves through at least one individual for HIS will.

Anyone that wants a move of GOD in their church need only spend the time close to The Lord Jesus and become a son instead of a servant. Then, and only then, will that church or any church experience a move of GOD. It only takes one "sanctified" individual for GOD to do marvelous things through, hence why Paul's writings always hit upon that subject at times. Above all, it was the example that Jesus gave us.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I have heard it said by several preachers who told their congregations to repent because if they didn't then there wouldn't be a move of God. I was so saddened to hear this was the sermon in my brother's church this a.m. It was all about dotting the i's and crossing the t's so they could have a move of God. His church is not the only church that makes these statements and it is most distressing to me when I hear them.
Same here Sis. This constitutes a not-so-subtle form of legalism and "pact-making" attitude of entitlements with God which erodes faith, grace, and the blessing of the intimate relationship of trust that He offers us with Himself. God bes not a demon to be bargained with meticulously in order to compel Him to act, nor a servitor who may be bound and charged to do our bidding through the proper rituals. He bes the sovereign Creator of ALL Things. If we sin, what bes that to Him? (Job 35:6)

A former church I attended, I was told that I was the reason there was not move of God and it was because I had stuff I needed to repent of though God never told me what it was. So help me on this one and yes I posted here in the debate thread because I do not believe a real move of God can be stopped ... I think that is words to control an individual and to explain why there aren't any actions happening in a church that talks about all this stuff happening but has nothing to show for it. What do you think?Moriah thinks you may be onto something here, and agrees that a real move of God cannot be stopped. But let's not take any creature's words for it ... what saith the scriptures?

Acts 5:34-39
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; 35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Nope, sounds like nothing can hinder a move of God, and in particular, not even men fighting with the INTENT to thwart it.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Repentence is a topic that needs to be preached.

Really? To whom?

Hebrews 6:1

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works...

[~RENEE~]

Yes it can. By a variety of reasons. Mainly when man starts trying to put his own spin in it.

[JK]

The Word tells a story about Achan and how his one sin stopped the whole group from being blessed. Joshua 7

Repentence is a topic that needs to be preached.

yes

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

yes
Really? To whom?
Again, Hebrews 6:1 says we should move on and NOT LAY AGAIN the foundation of repentance from dead works.

[JK]

I believe that there are times when Christians do sin and do need to repent but obviously i'm wrong again

[~RENEE~]

I believe that there are times when Christians do sin and do need to repent but obviously i'm wrong againno you're not wrong.

[NewSong]

I am kind of the same opinion as Moriah. May I clarify something with you? I think if God has revealed to us that we need to repent that we must repent but a true move of God will not be stopped just because someone is not repenting of something someone else says they should repent of.... especially if it isn't a sin to that individual ya know?

I kind of think that the move of God is for the unsaved, the sinner, and for the Christian and so I have a hard time believing that we would miss a move of God if I can blame my neighbor for not repenting of his adultery???? or idolotry???? or robbery??? It just doesn't make sense!!! ya know what I mean???

[probinson]

Can a move of God be "stopped"?

I wouldn't think so.

Can a move of God be "hindered"?

You betcha.

The children of Israel were led straight to the promised land, but because they believed what the Bible called an "evil" report, instead of what God said, they wandered for 40 years.

Was it God's perfect will for them to wander for 40 years? Nope. He led them straight there, and they were well able to take the land.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I believe that there are times when Christians do sin and do need to repent but obviously i'm wrong again
We all sin at times, and because we belong to God our spiritual inclination bes to repent -- but that bes far different from stating that repentance must be preached and taught continually. In Moriah's mind, doing that means a constant prod to focus on our sins, and that bes the wrong focus. Beating ourselves up for what we cannot help and what Christ has already fixed anyway does nothing but make us more miserable, drag us into deeper bondage to our weaknesses, and pull us further from Him. At least, that has been Moriah's experience. Your "mileage" may vary.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I am kind of the same opinion as Moriah. May I clarify something with you? I think if God has revealed to us that we need to repent that we must repent but a true move of God will not be stopped just because someone is not repenting of something someone else says they should repent of.... especially if it isn't a sin to that individual ya know?
Amen. No one has the right to molest another's conscience in this fashion, EVER.

I kind of think that the move of God is for the unsaved, the sinner, and for the Christian and so I have a hard time believing that we would miss a move of God if I can blame my neighbor for not repenting of his adultery???? or idolotry???? or robbery??? It just doesn't make sense!!! ya know what I mean???
Completely! :thumbsup:
We ALL need Him -- He will not fold His arms waiting for us to fix ourselves when the only hope of fixing available to us bes in Him in the first place!!!

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

The children of Israel were led straight to the promised land, but because they believed what the Bible called an "evil" report, instead of what God said, they wandered for 40 years.

Was it God's perfect will for them to wander for 40 years? Nope. He led them straight there, and they were well able to take the land.

Then perhaps we SHOULD make "not my will but Thine be done" our primary, central, and all-pervading prayer at all times, eh? ^_^

Sorry, just couldn't resist!!! :D

:wave:

[Optimax]

Can it be stopped? NO!

Can it be delayed? Yes!

Look at all the denominations.

Each one was a move of God that was allowed by man to go only so far.

Then God moved upon someone with a new revelation and a new move of God began, which in turn was only allowed by man to go so far.

The process is still being repeated today.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

The move of God continues unbroken and unabated, Optimax -- it bes Moriah's view that it bes MAN what drops out and decides to erect stone edifices where he should continue packing a tent.

That doesn't stop God. It only stops those who decide to go with the stone edifice from going any further.