If I am laying on my deathbed.............

[NewSong]

Don't pray for me to live just because you have that kind of faith. Pray for THY WILL BE DONE! lol Truly I mean this...I will come haunt you if you pray anything differently. :P

[GreatistheLord]

Having a bad day?

[JimfromOhio]

Don't pray for me to live just because you have that kind of faith. Pray for THY WILL BE DONE! lol Truly I mean this...I will come haunt you if you pray anything differently. :P

Actually, I have heard similar phrase:P and the focus should be on God's will alone without assuming what His will might be. :thumbsup:

[Faithful Love]

If you are lying on your deathbed and believe you are going to die you will have what you believe. No one can stop what is in your heart.

[JimfromOhio]

Believe in God's Character and His Will for our lives, not whether He can heal us.

[FoundInGrace]

If you are lying on your deathbed and believe you are going to die you will have what you believe. No one can stop what is in your heart.

If God don't want you to die you won't even if you want to I reckon...
I've wanted to die many times and had car accidents etc but I'm still here :D

[probinson]

Actually, I have heard similar phrase:P and the focus should be on God's will alone without assuming what His will might be. :thumbsup:
Just as a little reminder, when Jesus prayed "not my will but Yours be done", he wasn't "assuming" what God's will "might" be. He knew what the will of God was when He said those words, and was simply surrendering to His will. :thumbsup:

[JimfromOhio]

Just as a little reminder, when Jesus prayed "not my will but Yours be done", he wasn't "assuming" what God's will "might" be. He knew what the will of God was when He said those words, and was simply surrendering to His will. :thumbsup:

I am impressed with your "ALL" KNOWING of God's will. :thumbsup:

[probinson]

I am impressed with your "ALL" KNOWING of God's will. :thumbsup:
Where did I say that I knew "ALL" of God's will?

I posted a simple fact about Jesus knowing what the will of God was when He prayed "not my will, but Yours be done", and you come back with this nonsense.

Amazing.

[JimfromOhio]

Where did I say that I knew "ALL" of God's will?

I posted a simple fact about Jesus knowing what the will of God was when He prayed "not my will, but Yours be done", and you come back with this nonsense.

Amazing.
Yes... I agree. Nonsense.

[Elijah2]

Yes NS, I agree that His Will, will be done.

My old mate, prayed for a person who had collapsed and died. No pulse, nothing. He command the spirit of death to go, and the person came back to life. And that person wasn't the same person ever again, physically. And my mate always said that he had wished he hadn't prayed for that person and raised them from the dead.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Angel*Eyes]

Is it possible for man's 'faith' or will to outweigh God's Will?

[catlover]

If you are lying on your deathbed and believe you are going to die you will have what you believe. No one can stop what is in your heart.

What if a person believes one way, no death, . but God's will is otherwise????

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

If you are lying on your deathbed and believe you are going to die you will have what you believe. No one can stop what is in your heart.

1 John 3:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=69&chapter=3&verse=20&version=9&context=verse)
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

Courage. God does not abandon us to the limitations of ourselves, nor lock us in the prisons these limitations forge.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Is it possible for man's 'faith' or will to outweigh God's Will?
No.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Just as a little reminder, when Jesus prayed "not my will but Yours be done", he wasn't "assuming" what God's will "might" be. He knew what the will of God was when He said those words, and was simply surrendering to His will. :thumbsup:
Then what do you recommend we pray when we do not know the will of God but have every confidence in Him and in the fact of His will being far better and wiser than our own, and wish regardless of our own preferences to submit thereunto?

[The Lord is my banner]

If an unbeliever drops dead and we are able to pray for resurrection, that has to be good - they get a second chance to come to the Lord before they go again at some future time.

If the person is a believer I don't think our prayer would over-ride their will. If they chose to remain where they were I believe they could do that.

As Rodney Howard Browne's young daughter was dying, he told her she was free to go, but that he was going to call her back from death, but that he feared she would be so happy in Heaven she would refuse to come. She told him she would come back to him, but after a long time of praying she never did. I think it was a week or more before they stopped asking.

Someone praying for the family later saw her in a vision, worshipping at the feet of Jesus. She wanted to stay.

I heard Pastor Rodney tell the story on TV a while ago, it was the most beautiful, heart-rending thing.

[pdudgeon]

If an unbeliever drops dead and we are able to pray for resurrection, that has to be good - they get a second chance to come to the Lord before they go again at some future time.

If the person is a believer I don't think our prayer would over-ride their will. If they chose to remain where they were I believe they could do that.

As Rodney Howard Browne's young daughter was dying, he told her she was free to go, but that he was going to call her back from death, but that he feared she would be so happy in Heaven she would refuse to come. She told him she would come back to him, but after a long time of praying she never did. I think it was a week or more before they stopped asking.

Someone praying for the family later saw her in a vision, worshipping at the feet of Jesus. She wanted to stay.

I heard Pastor Rodney tell the story on TV a while ago, it was the most beautiful, heart-rending thing.

and there you have it.
God's perfect will is that we have eternal life.
so yes, if there is a chance that the person does not believe that they are secure in that eternal life, then by all means pray that they may come back.

it's also good to remember that the reason we are praying is so that God may be glorified. When we pray in that manner (as Jesus did) then our prayers can always be answered in God's will.

[Balance]

I am impressed with your "ALL" KNOWING of God's will. :thumbsup:

Just curious here -

How exactly does a child of God, who is one spirit with God, has the mind of Christ, has the Spirit that searches the deep. Things of God, that has His testament in written form, that has the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowlege of God -

NOT know His will??

[JimfromOhio]

Just curious here -

How exactly does a child of God, who is one spirit with God, has the mind of Christ, has the Spirit that searches the deep. Things of God, that has His testament in written form, that has the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowlege of God -

NOT know His will??
Do you want me to REPEAT ( have some have noticed in the past) on what I know about God's will?

[brinny]

I've told God to just let me bow out of this earth on more than one occasion...He and I...we wrestle all; the time...y'see, it's been excruciatingly painful for me in the last few months, but overall, the last 6-7 years.....

but He wins the wrestling, and I'm still here....but His grace....His glorious grace....He knew that i'd eventually see the 'reason' behind the suffering, angst, pain, confusion,. illogicallity of it all....and i am beginning to.....to see it.

Our paths have a distinct purpose in them, my dear sister in Christ. They're inexplicably just for us...they wouldn't 'fit' anyone else. Little did I know that He was preparing me to be a 'soldier', a fighter, a warrior. And the only way to do that was to plop me into training i could not escape...i was 'boxed in'.....and boy oh boy did He and I wrestle...wanna hear something 'shocking'? I told Him I hated Him. From the very recesses of my being it came. I was beyond what i could endure and ?He was leaving me in it!!! i was outraged...that He would leave me like that.

Just one more thing about saying the 'unmentionable' to Him.....He already knew where it was coming from. And no, He wasn't shocked. HJe saw beyond my faults and saw my need.

Don't stop talikng to Him...in dire straits, despair, anger, frustration...keep the conversatin going.......get 'raw' with Him...pour out what's boiling inside.....

David was the 'apple' of God's eye for a reason. Know what that reason was? He never stopped taklking to ?God...in everything he poured it out.

I gotta get offline.

(((hug)))