Would Jews have been ok with this? (last supper)

[Kris10leigh]

A quiz popped up in WWMC and I spun a new thread from it. Allow me to set up my question.

Plum answered this question:
11) If communal wine actually turned into blood when it was consumed, would that make us cannibals?
vampires maybe :D but it would be gross and against the bible's laws of ingesting blood...

I thought this was fascinating and something I hadn't thought about. Now I am not Catholic and do not believe that the bread and wine literally become the body and blood, so for me it is a non-issue. But it is interesting. IF Yeshua was being literal when He said "This is my body, broken for you...", wouldn't his Jewish disciples have run out of the room because it is against Jewish law to partake of blood?

Here's my spinoff thread in WMMC in case anyone wants to follow.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7260740

[Nooj]

If the bread was literally, really the flesh of another human being, and the wine was literally, really the blood of another human being, then yes it would be against Jewish law to ingest it.

[visionary]

I think that is a no brainer, that is why I have always been confused as to why a Jew would buy that story.

[Nooj]

Many didn't. From the NIV John 6:53-67

53 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" 61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62 What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%206;&version=31;#fen-NIV-26310e)] and they are life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67 "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.

[ContraMundum]

The errors of the unbelievers in John is that they mistook Jesus' words to be literal.

As anyone can see, and science easily proves, the bread remains bread and the wine remains wine. That doesn't mean that there is a real absence of Jesus in the Lord's Table. All it means is that God uses it to convey grace, and Jesus is spiritually present among us with His sacrament. This is very easy for a Jew to grasp, (well, it was for me) as right throughout the Tanach God uses things to attach His promises to.

Let's not forget the significance. The Jews in the first Passover didn't just have to slay the lamb and spread it's blood on their doorposts, they had to eat it as well. The symbology is the same in the Christian sacrament.

[HalcyonFire]

it's just more religious distortion. :) Hey kris :)