Why satan is still fighting?

[Benjamin1981]

Enemy has been defeated, we have won! :clap: It's easy to smile when you're winning! But why satan is still fighting? Is he just postponing the inevitable by fighting? (the more he fights the more he has time on earth) Or is his plan to do as much harm as possible by taking as many souls down with him? What theories u have? All I know that he is really scared, he's in a total panic! :D

[LilLamb219]

Satan wants to take as many of us with him as he possibly can. He is the deceiver and he doesn't want God to have what God wants...and God wants us because we are His children.

[tapero]

Enemy has been defeated, we have won! :clap: It's easy to smile when you're winning! But why satan is still fighting? Is he just postponing the inevitable by fighting? (the more he fights the more he has time on earth) Or is his plan to do as much harm as possible by taking as many souls down with him? What theories u have? All I know that he is really scared, he's in a total panic! :D

Hi! I was making a post but lost it.

It is always best to use the bible when seeking answers rather than theories. I mean by that, if is answered in the word, which there is information about satan in the bible.

Here is a link, and if you go into the various scriptures given (can just look at nt ones) it gives a good idea of what satan is doing and will continue doing till the end.

http://www.biblegateway.com/topical/topical_searchresults.php?resultsapp=25&source=1&search=satan&searchtype=all

We don't know what exactly will trigger Jesus' return. We have some ideas or thoughts (perhaps hints from scripture) to what may bring about the end; but for sure satan is not the master over such.

You'll see from verses in the topic link what satans work is.

blessings,
tapero

[Criada]

Can't add anything to that advice really, except to say that whilst it is important to be aware of what satan is doing, it is not a good idea to spend too much time focusing on him..... because Jesus is so much more worthy of our attention :)
If we are focused on Him, the enemy is defeated!!

[Benjamin1981]

Thank u tapero! Very useful link! :)

[tapero]

What Criada is saying is dead on, as there are those who dwell on all things pertaining to the demonic realm.

While we need to be aware of our enemy, and aware we are in a spiritual battle; we see in Ephesians 6 how we fight in this battle. It speaks first that we are in a battle not against flesh and blood.

So, while we may have problems with people, well we will for sure, that, those are not who or what the battle is with.

The battle is spiritual, unseen and then in that chapter we are given the armor for the battle.

Which none of it pertains to much of what those who focus on satan and such frequently do.

It is good to know about the enemy; ways; etc, and good to know how to combat.

So, if you get a chance please read Ephesians 6 if you have time and look at the armor we are told to put on.

Also, when things come to mind, and are struggling; it matters not where it's coming from; meaning from our own thoughts, or possibly demonic, or others, we take each thought captive to Jesus to make those thoughts obedient to Him.

When things occur; do not be so concerned with why, as we don't know the why's. We do know God is good, does no evil, we know He never harms us, never sends us anything bad; but of other things we can not so know as we can not see or know as God knows. We only know and see in part.

So, it may be nature, something natural occurring, hurricanes, tornadoes, fire, etc. It may be accidentally, someone runs their car into another car, an accident. It may be demonic stuff as well, but again, see we don't need to concern why things occur, we just need to trust God fully with our lives, and our loved ones lives, and remember God never does evil or wrong or bad, and so never to blame God for anything happening in our lives which is bad, and to always thank Him for the good which is in our lives.

So we bring it all to God, taking our thoughts captive; Lord help me with this, here are these thoughts, take them Lord, I bring them to you. Do that anytime and every time troubling thoughts come to mind which are concerning.

That verse about taking thoughts captive is:

2 Corinthians 10:5

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ

The whole verse is powerful; but it is the latter I use always to get thru hurt, pain, suffering, whatever it is.

As you may have heard on a radio station called k-love;

God is good all the time.

Such is truth.

Bible says God only gives good things to His children.
He wants all to know Him.
He loves all.

Every time we do right we are building the kingdom of God, we are doing Gods will on earth as it is in heaven.

We strive to do right, we will fail, we confess our sins to God and ask His help; and we get up and go on, not looking back, no guilt, no condemnation and walk forward.

Went a bit off topic to your original post; but only due to the way the thread went and thought would be good opportunity to add a little about the topic; I hope it was ok to do so.

Blessings,
tapero

[dead2self]

Satan still fights because it is God's will that he does. It is important to remember that Satan is under the sovereign control of God. Look at Job. Satan had to ask to inflict him. Satan also had to ask to sift the Apostles like wheat. Satan can do nothing outside of God's will. God has a purpose in allowing Satan so much latitude and power in this age. Following is an exceprt from a sermon by John Piper on this topic.

This raises a very important and hard theological question: Why would God grant to his archenemy any of his demands? As soon as you start to think about that question you realize that it is part of a much larger one, namely: Why does God tolerate the activity of Satan at all? Revelation 20:2, 3 tells us that at the end of this age, when Christ returns, God is going to bind Satan and confine him for 1,000 years, "that he should deceive the nations no more." Then after the 1,000 years and the final victory of God he will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10) forever. God has the right and the power to put Satan out of commission, and the question that we ask in our finitude and ignorance is: Why doesn't he do it now? Why go on century after century permitting Satan to wreak havoc in the world?
It may be that this is none of our business and that we should trust the wisdom and goodness of God without an answer. But I think the Scriptures indirectly suggest a possible answer, which may encourage and strengthen our faith. I think the reason God permits Satan to persist in his "sifting" work is that in the end it will be good for the church and will bring more glory to God. It's clear from the whole NT that God intends to bring the bride of Christ to perfection through affliction and temptation (1 Peter 1:6; 3:17). We must suffer with Christ if we would be glorified with him (Romans 8:17). Through suffering and trial our faith is refined. We are drawn to rely ever more heavily on God, and we are moved to cherish his grace more strongly. Satan has his role to play in fanning the flames of our refining furnace, and so God awaits the appointed day of judgment.
Not only does the ongoing work of Satan ultimately do good for the church, but it also will bring more glory to God. I picture God as an omniscient general whose aim is to fight and win the war in the way that will bring him most glory for his magnificent, strategic wisdom and power. Instead of steam rolling over the enemy all at once, he combines strategic advances and retreats that allow the enemy some illusion of success and brings out all their arrogance and hate for the general, so that it can be seen for what it is. In his wisdom the general knows when the end should come. He will give way for a time to allow the enemy to rage in defiance, and then when sin is seen for all that it is, he will close in and destroy the enemy in such a way that none can doubt the wisdom and glory and power of the general.
So Satan has power, but it is all by permission, and it is never out of control. We must be sober in our prayers, fight the good fight, and anticipate the victory of God at the perfect time.


The full sermon is following and I recommend it highly: http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1981/296_The_Sifting_of_Simon_Peter/

[tapero]

Just want to state to the op that it is a doctrine or theology which believes that whatever satan does gets the nod from God first and generally same which believe that, also believe sin done against others by others also gets the nod from God first.

It is not so.

God does not allow satan to do evil, satan and demonic realm do evil. God does not allow humans to sin, they sin.

When child is molested, God did not say ok to do so. When evil occurs did not get the okay from God to do so. This theology/doctrine passed round lives on; making God behind evil; part of evil, and is commonly accepted as truth.

All sin and evil is done and in no wise is Gods will nor awaits God to allow same.

So is different beliefs, understandings, theologies out there.

[dead2self]

With all due respect my friend, you are wrong. God is sovereign over everything. Read Job and ask why Satan would ask God's permission.

But as this is not a forum for debate I would ask that you let the truth of this sermon speak for itself and if the OP has issues with it then we can deal with it. This theology is deeply rooted in the Bible and I do not think it is helpful to the OP to have you stating your theories about it with no Biblical backing at all. This theology is rooted in the very nature of God as soverign. The god you describe is powerless. If he does not ordain sin, and does not stop sin, then it is because he does not care or cannot. That is not my God.

[Benjamin1981]

I agree with dead2self that God is absolutely sovereign. God really allows satan to do his bad deeds. Humans lost to satan. God saved us. God doesn't even have to fight against satan. God reigns absolutely.

[Jayangel81]

Satan still fights because it is God's will that he does. It is important to remember that Satan is under the sovereign control of God. Look at Job. Satan had to ask to inflict him. Satan also had to ask to sift the Apostles like wheat. Satan can do nothing outside of God's will. God has a purpose in allowing Satan so much latitude and power in this age. Following is an exceprt from a sermon by John Piper on this topic.


The full sermon is following and I recommend it highly: http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1981/296_The_Sifting_of_Simon_Peter/

I really enjoyed reading the whole sermon, thank you!:thumbsup:

[JoshButler]

You don't really want to know about evil. It's not an interesting or profitable subject, and it doesn't mean anything. Just concentrate on the things of God, and leave the things of darkness to the unsaved. Be not wise towards evil, but towards good; which is paraphrased, but it gets the point across.

Wouldn't you much rather know why Jesus saved you? Or why God created the world even though he knew it would turn out this way? Not to say that you don't at least on the scriptural level, but it is much better to understand the mind and heart of God than of the wicked. There's real profit down that road, and I mean it. Money can't buy it and men will know you are of God.

[Nadiine]

With all due respect my friend, you are wrong. God is sovereign over everything. Read Job and ask why Satan would ask God's permission.

But as this is not a forum for debate I would ask that you let the truth of this sermon speak for itself and if the OP has issues with it then we can deal with it. This theology is deeply rooted in the Bible and I do not think it is helpful to the OP to have you stating your theories about it with no Biblical backing at all. This theology is rooted in the very nature of God as soverign. The god you describe is powerless. If he does not ordain sin, and does not stop sin, then it is because he does not care or cannot. That is not my God.
I think Job 1 shows us directly that God allows Satan to do evil. God even gives Satan parameters as to how much he's allowed to do in that testing of Job.
Absolutely agree with you.