Yoga, karate, many other things and Christianity.

[charityagape]

I have no idea where to start threads anymore, but its possible this one could get debatable so I'll just start out here.


In a thread a few minutes ago I read something that seemed to imply you can't be into yoga or martial arts and be a Christian (I know there are some people who get into a more spiritual aspect of yoga, but for the most part its used as good exercise).

So I was wondering what else people think you can't be into and still be a Christian.


For example, personally I like science fiction and fantasy, books and movies and television on said subject. Sci/Fi and fantasy covers everything from green women in star trek to vampires and fairies and classic fairy tales or not so classic like Shrek to well just everything.................and there's a lot of non religious themes in this genre and I know that many people (remember the whole harry potter fiasco) feel that you can't be a Christian (or at least can't be a good Christian) and enjoy this kind of fiction.


Now, you can debate the above subject all you want, but what I'm really after is some more examples. Anybody?

[BenAdam]

heathen....

[Andry]

Now, you can debate the above subject all you want, but what I'm really after is some more examples. Anybody?
Sure. Bacon.

[charityagape]

Sure. Bacon.

Darn, I eat bacon too.

[charityagape]

heathen....

Pirate.

[Elijah2]

Why not just get back to grass roots, "HIS INSPIRED WORD"!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[charityagape]

I have another one, tattoos. If you get a tattoo, you're not a very good christian. If you cover yourself in tattoos, well, you're a heathen.

[charityagape]

Why not just get back to grass roots, "HIS INSPIRED WORD"!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.


Do you have anything to contribute to the op?

[mont974x4]

woohoo, you're a heathen too? I was getting lonley


don't forget:
peircings
women wearing slacks instead of skirts and dresses
men not wearing suits to church
using juice instead of wine for Communion
using wine instead of juice for Communion
drinking alcohol
reading Stephen King books
watching the Veggie Tales

[charityagape]

using juice instead of wine for Communion
using wine instead of juice for Communion

I LOVE this one..............it just seems to represent so much about churches and doctrines and judgment.

[ShammahBenJudah]

I have no idea where to start threads anymore, but its possible this one could get debatable so I'll just start out here.


In a thread a few minutes ago I read something that seemed to imply you can't be into yoga or martial arts and be a Christian (I know there are some people who get into a more spiritual aspect of yoga, but for the most part its used as good exercise).


Well, the problem with really answering your question with the kind of depth you're seeking is that its really touchy stuff. Disconnected from the "Tao's", the physical exercise is hard to beat.

But some things aren't real good to just throw out in an open forum like this and even spoken to quietly without a strict assurance of accountability.

If I spoke of the demonic experiences I've had in these areas, most people would just call me a liar. But I spent quite the season in hell 'exploring' some of these things, and there's no way I would do or say anything that might contribute to another person opening those doors, too.

[probinson]

I've been doing yoga poses ever since I got Wii Fit.

Those poses really stretch your body!

[mont974x4]

I took martial arts when I was young. My sensai (sp?) was a Christian. Yes, we meditated, but we meditated on Him and His word.

[mont974x4]

I LOVE this one..............it just seems to represent so much about churches and doctrines and judgment.

sad, isn't it. :doh:

[Faithful Love]

Drinking booze.


http://www.trendyink.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/alcohol-drinks.jpg


At one AG church we were at, anyone in leadership had to sign an affidavit that they would live a pure life - not smoke, not drink, not mess around on their spouse, dress modestly, etc. etc.

The problem with an affidavit like that is shouldn't the people you have in your leadership ALREADY be proven to be living a good Christian life??? The other problem with it is if you were in leadership and still enjoyed a glass of chianti with your spaghetti you were now considered persona non grata, if you admitted it. If you didn't admit it, you felt condemned.

Our pastor, who took such pride in the fact a drop of liquor never touched his lips, once told a story about he and his wife being at a restaurant for dinner. They said they heard the couple at the table behind them saying a prayer over their dinner and they thought "how sweet". Then they turned and looked at this couple and they were both drinking a glass of wine. Horrors! This pastor proceeded to tell the whole church how this couple was definitely not saved and needed to repent for setting a bad witness to the world. :doh:

[Leimeng]

~ Been practicing and studying martial arts for more than 25 years. It has not affected my salvation yet...
~ I do both wine and juice for communion (Lord's Supper), and even did Pepsi once when in Turkey. I also drink wine, and juice, and pepsi with dinner on occasion. It has not affected my salvation yet either.
~ It is easy to criticize the things we can see in others lives because we cannot know or see what we dont know or dont see. After all, I dont know what you are thinking normally when you are looking at the young ladies in church, (mall, beach). So I could not accuse of all sorts of sordid musings... But if you drink a beer with the guys after karrody class, my you are going to heck in a handbasket you filthy backsliding heathern....
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

[PETE_]

Reading the Harry Potter books

I only watched the movies so that might be ok

[Redheadedstepchild]

woohoo, you're a heathen too? I was getting lonley


don't forget:

watching the Veggie Tales

^_^ First time I've seen the Veggie Tales being associated with heathenism. Who knew?
If that's the case then Spongebob is of the devil for sure.

[Redheadedstepchild]

Ya know, when I work out I always think of it as giving glory to God ('cause I wouldn't get through it without his help). I don't see why Yoga or any other physical activity should be different. Yeah, there is some meditation involved, but if the focus is God then shouldn't that be ok? It's when our focus is on other things that we get in trouble...

[he4rty]

Aromatherapy - though never fully understood why, especially as people in the bible are regularly anointed with oils.

As to Wii fit, whats your thoughts on the Zen Meditation game.

[The Lord is my banner]

I am not condemning anyone for involvement in practices of a non-Christian background, far be it from me to judge, please understand that.

I know some of you are doing these kind of things and to me you seem very deeply commited to loving the Lord as mature, stable, healthy-minded Christians.
You are close to God, you love Him and your neighbour, and you are free from torment, so who am I, suffering as I do from mental affliction, to say you have this wrong?

However, I do know that such things as yoga, (just to pick one at random out of the hat, as I've done it in the past), are based around a philosophy/belief system that is anti-Christian and has the potential to invite demonic activity into our lives.
Yoga IS worship of demons - the very postures and movements were designed by it's inventor to yoke the practitioner with spirits. Now, if you are convinced in your heart that performing those actions can be separated from giving honour to false gods, then perhaps you're right, but for many Christians is has opened a door to bad stuff.

A final point is the witness aspect - how would a non-Christian or a very new one understand that your yoga class is any different from theirs, and would they now believe you endorsed all "New Age" or "Eastern philosophy" etc.?

[mont974x4]

^_^ First time I've seen the Veggie Tales being associated with heathenism. Who knew?
If that's the case then Spongebob is of the devil for sure.

I knew a couple who were dead set that Veggie Tales were heretical.
:doh:

[BenAdam]

heathens....

[he4rty]

reading anything other than the KJV

[mont974x4]

heathens....

why, thank you for noticing. :D

[probinson]

Aromatherapy - though never fully understood why, especially as people in the bible are regularly anointed with oils.

As to Wii fit, whats your thoughts on the Zen Meditation game.
Well, it taught me that I can sit completely still for 3 minutes... ;)

[LeadWorship]

Well, it taught me that I can sit completely still for 3 minutes... ;)

My wife would say that's impossible for me. I'd agree. ^_^

[PETE_]

I am not condemning anyone for involvement in practices of a non-Christian background, far be it from me to judge, please understand that.

I know some of you are doing these kind of things and to me you seem very deeply commited to loving the Lord as mature, stable, healthy-minded Christians.
You are close to God, you love Him and your neighbour, and you are free from torment, so who am I, suffering as I do from mental affliction, to say you have this wrong?

However, I do know that such things as yoga, (just to pick one at random out of the hat, as I've done it in the past), are based around a philosophy/belief system that is anti-Christian and has the potential to invite demonic activity into our lives.
Yoga IS worship of demons - the very postures and movements were designed by it's inventor to yoke the practitioner with spirits. Now, if you are convinced in your heart that performing those actions can be separated from giving honour to false gods, then perhaps you're right, but for many Christians is has opened a door to bad stuff.

A final point is the witness aspect - how would a non-Christian or a very new one understand that your yoga class is any different from theirs, and would they now believe you endorsed all "New Age" or "Eastern philosophy" etc.?

I understand that some of these things mentioned can be a problem for some weaker brothers. I believe that Holy Spirit convicts each of us of things that may give us trouble and we are responsible to heed His promptings.

I am a Taekwondo instructor and have no trouble separating the two, and have only been given any grief about it from other Christians. I have had many opportunities to discuss Christ with non believers who ask about how my faith fits in with things such as giving respect to the masters by bowing and calling them such.

[Mathetes the kerux]

I have no idea where to start threads anymore, but its possible this one could get debatable so I'll just start out here.


In a thread a few minutes ago I read something that seemed to imply you can't be into yoga or martial arts and be a Christian (I know there are some people who get into a more spiritual aspect of yoga, but for the most part its used as good exercise).

So I was wondering what else people think you can't be into and still be a Christian.


For example, personally I like science fiction and fantasy, books and movies and television on said subject. Sci/Fi and fantasy covers everything from green women in star trek to vampires and fairies and classic fairy tales or not so classic like Shrek to well just everything.................and there's a lot of non religious themes in this genre and I know that many people (remember the whole harry potter fiasco) feel that you can't be a Christian (or at least can't be a good Christian) and enjoy this kind of fiction.


Now, you can debate the above subject all you want, but what I'm really after is some more examples. Anybody?

As long as one divorces the pagan demonic references and eastern philosophy from the acts of Karate . . . then it is OK.

Yoga on the otherhand is a little harder. Some of the names of the positions are attributed to pagan deities as honor to them . . . so the position is inhernetly tied to the spirit behind the deity. They are also meant to stimulate the Chakras . . . which are the power points that give rise to Kundalini . . . a demon snake god.

[mont974x4]

My wife would say that's impossible for me. I'd agree. ^_^


Sitting still is overrated.

[charityagape]

Sitting still is overrated.


I have tapping foot syndrome and my husband hates it.........if I sit still for more than a few minutes I just unconsciously start doing SOMETHING. Shake my leg or tap my foot, etc.

[Tenebrae]

I have fibromyalgia, which the readers digest version means chronic pain and chronic fatigue. I also have arthritis and I find some of the yoga stretches are really benefical for helping me to relieve the pain.


If that makes me a heathen then so be it.

[Redheadedstepchild]

Yeah, that's the thing about Yoga. The poses are extremely beneficial for balance, flexibility and muscle toning and probably other stuff. Not that other things couldn't be too - ballet and Pilate's come to mind, but those activities seem to require more physical fitness from the person doing them. Not that yoga isn't strenuous, but even an out of shape body like mine can do it successfully.

[Tenebrae]

Yeah, that's the thing about Yoga. The poses are extremely beneficial for balance, flexibility and muscle toning and probably other stuff. Not that other things couldn't be too - ballet and Pilate's come to mind, but those activities seem to require more physical fitness from the person doing them. Not that yoga isn't strenuous, but even an out of shape body like mine can do it successfully.



trying to imagine me in a tutu ^_^

[The Lord is my banner]

I have fibromyalgia, which the readers digest version means chronic pain and chronic fatigue. I also have arthritis and I find some of the yoga stretches are really benefical for helping me to relieve the pain.


If that makes me a heathen then so be it.

I doesn't make you a heathen, that isn't the point I was making. :(

I am just concerned it opens doors to the enemy to assault us, and also that when a Christian says "I do yoga" then people who don't understand the finer details might assume Christianity is compatible with the whole ethos behind it.

As someone pointed out, the postures and moves were designed with the whole intent of spiritually bonding to and worshipping demons. If a strong Christian believes they can detach the physical from the spiritual elements of yoga etc, then you may be right and I'm wrong.

However, that still leaves the issue of leading others to believe any yoga class is safe, and really, it isn't, it's a pathway to hell for some.

[icedtea]

Thats true.

[Tenebrae]

I doesn't make you a heathen, that isn't the point I was making. :(

Dont worry dear, I know you arent calling me a heathen:hug:

I am just concerned it opens doors to the enemy to assault us, and also that when a Christian says "I do yoga" then people who don't understand the finer details might assume Christianity is compatible with the whole ethos behind it.

As someone pointed out, the postures and moves were designed with the whole intent of spiritually bonding to and worshipping demons. If a strong Christian believes they can detach the physical from the spiritual elements of yoga etc, then you may be right and I'm wrong.

However, that still leaves the issue of leading others to believe any yoga class is safe, and really, it isn't, it's a pathway to hell for some.


I do actually understand your POV, pain makes me a grumpy wench and some times it doesnt come out all the most coherant or nice, so sorry if you thought I was having a go at you

[The Lord is my banner]

Dont worry dear, I know you arent calling me a heathen:hug:




I do actually understand your POV, pain makes me a grumpy wench and some times it doesnt come out all the most coherant or nice, so sorry if you thought I was having a go at you


No, you weren't at all grumpy, I just hated to think I'd made you feel bad! Glad we understand each other even though we don't agree. :hug:

[Elijah2]

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[Elijah2]

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[BenAdam]

I bet you don't have a Christmas tree either Elijah.

[Elijah2]

I bet you don't have a Christmas tree either Elijah.

MMmmm Ben, are you really showing who you are by such comments?

Yep, have a Christmas tree every years and all our presents are placed around the the Christmas tree, and our grandchildren come over. So, what has that got to do with practicising spiritual things of darkness of the supernatural from other religions?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[BenAdam]

MMmmm Ben, are you really showing who you are by such comments?

Yep, have a Christmas tree every years and all our presents are placed around the the Christmas tree, and our grandchildren come over. So, what has that got to do with practicising spiritual things of darkness of the supernatural from other religions?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.


Why because they are pagan symbols. Druids worshipped trees and all.

Easter Eggs too.

I think pagans also ate beef.

How about Yule logs?

I'm trying to make a point my friend.

[Andry]

Heathens drives cars too. I hate walking.

[BenAdam]

heathen...

[Andry]

Pedant warning*....

Yoga's origins is Hinduism - duh, you all can look that up - as a path towards union with the "supreme".

"Yoga" westernized, secularized,'' or watered-down is a series of stretching and meditative excercises with the intent to benefit our physical and mental health.

People should stretch and exercise; that's good for the body. Believers in particular should meditate more, as part of our prayer life. Neither of these are "yoga" in the original sense.

[BenAdam]

Pedant warning*....

Yoga's origins is Hinduism - duh, you all can look that up - as a path towards union with the "supreme".

"Yoga" westernized, secularized,'' or watered-down is a series of stretching and meditative excercises with the intent to benefit our physical and mental health.

People should stretch and exercise; that's good for the body. Believers in particular should meditate more, as part of our prayer life. Neither of these are "yoga" in the original sense.

I am a Pedant and I approve of this message.

[mont974x4]

I have fibromyalgia, which the readers digest version means chronic pain and chronic fatigue. I also have arthritis and I find some of the yoga stretches are really benefical for helping me to relieve the pain.


If that makes me a heathen then so be it.

me too

I stretch in the shower, and get up through the night to move around.

heck, I can't just sit and watch a movie, I usually cruise the web or read a book whenever we pop in a DVD.

[Balance]

I have a good friend with whom I grew up with. We got into wrestling and then the martial arts together in Middle School and then through high school and into college -

I went from wrestling to a grappling form of Judo that is now best known as Brazilian Jujitsu. Not 100% the same - but close to it.

"Ralph" (not his real name) went into Aikido, by the time we were seniors, Ralph was a fourth degree Black belt and a very dangerous person. He took up and gained Black Belt status in Kemp, Tae Kwan Do also. The lowest level of Black belt was third.

To say we into the Eastern philosophy and the martial arts is an understatement.

When Ralph got saved and set free from sin, he started evaluating the arts and their impact spiritually. None of the arts stopped him from accepting Christ, but none were of great benefit to his spiritual life either.

Long story short he founded a Christian martial art and replaced the meditations with scriptural meditations.

His ministry has led thousands to Christ - but there are still the narrow minded that call him the devils tool. Heh heh Seems like they have a difficult time on a discipline that keep you physically fit and mediating on God's word.

[Tamara224]

Reading the Harry Potter books

I only watched the movies so that might be ok


Sadly, you have it backwards, my friend, and I'm afraid you're on a path straight to hell.

Only those who read, but do not watch Harry Potter will be saved. The movies are a watered down version and cannot lead anyone along the correct path. What's more, they corrupt the pure Harry Potter and so contaminate the truth that may have been learned from reading the books. So it is also not good to both read and watch Harry Potter.

You must repent, swear never to watch a Harry Potter movie again, and read the books immediately. Only then can you be saved*. :preach:








*Saved, that is, from bad filmmaking, terrible screen adaptation and bad acting.:P

[Andry]

I'm a Tolkien fan, and I simply could not get through reading HP. I guess that makes me old, too. Only Tolkien can wordsmith a "dark cave" for chapters on end without losing the reader's interest.

[Elijah2]

Why because they are pagan symbols. Druids worshipped trees and all.

Easter Eggs too.

I think pagans also ate beef.

How about Yule logs?

I'm trying to make a point my friend.

Sorry mate, you are not making any point whatsoever, because what we are talking about is bringing spiritual practices of other reglions into the Body of Christ on a belief that those spiritual forces cannot touch them because they change the names to an oxymoron, such as Christian Yoga, Christian Reiki, Christian Wicca and Christian Martial Arts.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Elijah2]

I have a good friend with whom I grew up with. We got into wrestling and then the martial arts together in Middle School and then through high school and into college -

I went from wrestling to a grappling form of Judo that is now best known as Brazilian Jujitsu. Not 100% the same - but close to it.

"Ralph" (not his real name) went into Aikido, by the time we were seniors, Ralph was a fourth degree Black belt and a very dangerous person. He took up and gained Black Belt status in Kemp, Tae Kwan Do also. The lowest level of Black belt was third.

To say we into the Eastern philosophy and the martial arts is an understatement.

When Ralph got saved and set free from sin, he started evaluating the arts and their impact spiritually. None of the arts stopped him from accepting Christ, but none were of great benefit to his spiritual life either.

Long story short he founded a Christian martial art and replaced the meditations with scriptural meditations.

His ministry has led thousands to Christ - but there are still the narrow minded that call him the devils tool. Heh heh Seems like they have a difficult time on a discipline that keep you physically fit and mediating on God's word.





Nobody is talking about the DEVIL in a person, but the supernatural and spiritual consequences of such practices. You can change whatever your like with a tiger, but you can NEVER change its stripes.

You can call an orange tree a lemon tree, and the tree will still produce oranges.

I have seen enough and heard enough testimonies of those who practiced eastern religion practices and whether they like to believe it or not they have suffered spiritual consequences, knowingly and unknowingly.

I know I did when I practiced Tai Chi, and there are those who believe that Christian Tai Chi can't hurt you either.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Jimbeaux]

I used to carefully guard myself against “pagan” practices and beliefs influencing my Christianity. Then, over time, I discovered that all that we are in Western culture is deeply rooted in the soil of pagan philosophies and philosophers from Thales to Aristotle. Nothing we do or think grew out of its own soil. Even the way we interpret scripture is more from a Western (think, Greek) worldview than from a biblical one (which was written from an Eastern, or at least Mid-Eastern, worldview). We would like to think we are the product of scripture, but we are really the end product of Aristotelian reasoning.

But the Bible is always interpreted within its culture and the whole package (think, pagan) that built the culture.

C.S. Lewis believed that every person, pagan or otherwise, has within themselves the “natural law” or what Derek Morphew calls “a memory of God”—that something that God has instilled in us to help us in our search for Him—what may be known of God is manifest in them (every person), for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead (Romans 1.19-20).

IMO, there are elements of truth and wisdom in every culture and religion. The Buddha and Lao Tzu may have missed the most important thing, but they were not 100% wrong in the morals and ethics they taught. Some of it was the natural law, the memory of God within them.

~Jim
If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong.
~C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain

[PETE_]

Nobody is talking about the DEVIL in a person, but the supernatural and spiritual consequences of such practices. You can change whatever your like with a tiger, but you can NEVER change its stripes.

You can call an orange tree a lemon tree, and the tree will still produce oranges.

I have seen enough and heard enough testimonies of those who practiced eastern religion practices and whether they like to believe it or not they have suffered spiritual consequences, knowingly and unknowingly.

I know I did when I practiced Tai Chi, and there are those who believe that Christian Tai Chi can't hurt you either.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Some are not at the point in their spiritual maturation to fellowship with unbelievers as Christ did without letting it influence them. Others are.

[Leimeng]

Have a read of these:

Christian Karate? - HSTreasures.com (http://www.hstreasures.com/articles/christiankarate.html)
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The Deception of Martial Arts - PASTOR FRED GRIGG (http://www.antiqbook.com/boox/divers/002796.shtml)
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Bruce Lee and The Martial Arts: The Christian Perspective (http://www.comprehensivechristian.com/The-Martial-Arts-and-the-Christian-comprehensivechristian.asp)
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~ I read these and I must say I am singularly unimpressed. Not only are they poorly written, their scholarship is even worse.
~ Just a few random examples & thoughts:
* Martial arts were not invented in Buddhist Temples by Buddhist Monks. Martial arts were developed as a means of war on the battlefield. In the same way one goes to basic training in the army and learns to shoot a gun (a good thing by the way), in pre-modern Asia, military training was martial arts. Military = Martial. Military Arts = Martial arts.
* Yin and Yang are not Taoist in origin. They are Confucian in origin (which by the way pre-dates Taoism by several hundred years).
* Chinese dragons are not related to Christian dragons. Parts of China are fossil rich! Some villager sees a dinosaur fossil, the really long neck and head for example and says AH, a Dragon. At the same time, an earth worm is called 'di lung,' an 'earth dragon.'
* Jesus was not a milquetoast feminized effet individual. He was most likely NOT opposed to self defense. Heck, He even commanded his disciples to sell their coats and buy a sword if they did not have a sword! These were disciples who had a personal relationship with and trusted in Him!
* If the exercise which one goes through and makes one healthy while learning martial arts is egotistical and wrong, then all exercise is egotisical and wrong and one should just sit around and eat bon-bons all day long because obviously GOD does not want us to take care of our Temple!
* For an eleven year old kid to become a blackbelt is ridiculous to the extreme. At least in any legitimate martial art. They do not yet have the body structure to actually produce the power needed to make their arts work!
~ I could go on but that is a just a quick overview. Additionally, some of the stuff written on these sites about CS Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia lead me to believe they are very concerned about outward appearances and not the inward man.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

[Elijah2]

~ I read these and I must say I am singularly unimpressed. Not only are they poorly written, their scholarship is even worse.
~ Just a few random examples & thoughts:
* Martial arts were not invented in Buddhist Temples by Buddhist Monks. Martial arts were developed as a means of war on the battlefield. In the same way one goes to basic training in the army and learns to shoot a gun (a good thing by the way), in pre-modern Asia, military training was martial arts. Military = Martial. Military Arts = Martial arts.
* Yin and Yang are not Taoist in origin. They are Confucian in origin (which by the way pre-dates Taoism by several hundred years).
* Chinese dragons are not related to Christian dragons. Parts of China are fossil rich! Some villager sees a dinosaur fossil, the really long neck and head for example and says AH, a Dragon. At the same time, an earth worm is called 'di lung,' an 'earth dragon.'
* Jesus was not a milquetoast feminized effet individual. He was most likely NOT opposed to self defense. Heck, He even commanded his disciples to sell their coats and buy a sword if they did not have a sword! These were disciples who had a personal relationship with and trusted in Him!
* If the exercise which one goes through and makes one healthy while learning martial arts is egotistical and wrong, then all exercise is egotisical and wrong and one should just sit around and eat bon-bons all day long because obviously GOD does not want us to take care of our Temple!
* For an eleven year old kid to become a blackbelt is ridiculous to the extreme. At least in any legitimate martial art. They do not yet have the body structure to actually produce the power needed to make their arts work!
~ I could go on but that is a just a quick overview. Additionally, some of the stuff written on these sites about CS Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia lead me to believe they are very concerned about outward appearances and not the inward man.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)
Thanks mate, so informative, doesn't make any difference to the dieties behind such practices.

Have a read of "The Deception of Martial Arts & Yoga" by Fred Grigg.

Be blessedin Jesus' Name.

[Leimeng]

Thanks mate, so informative, doesn't make any difference to the dieties behind such practices.

Have a read of "The Deception of Martial Arts & Yoga" by Fred Grigg.

Be blessedin Jesus' Name.

~ Actually, there is only one Diety. God in three persons! God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. If you actually believe in other dieties, you have some serious issues and I reccomend a good reading of the Word of God!
~ I have perused Grigg's book and similar writtings. Poor scholarship and mediocre exegesis makes for bad teaching.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

[Elijah2]

~ Actually, there is only one Diety. God in three persons! God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. If you actually believe in other dieties, you have some serious issues and I reccomend a good reading of the Word of God!
~ I have perused Grigg's book and similar writtings. Poor scholarship and mediocre exegesis makes for bad teaching.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

Thanks mate, it is very obvious to me you haven't been around the traps and snares of the enemy.

Take care
Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Leimeng]

Thanks mate, it is very obvious to me you haven't been around the traps and snares of the enemy.

Take care
Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

~ Bubba, I have been around for decades, all over the world and seen traps and snares. Demonic and otherwise. Fear, arrogance, pride and unteachableness are a few.
~ Why is it as Christians we accept poor scholarship and exegesis on an issue to make a point? If the articles you posted on this subject were to convince someone (and books on the same subject as well), anybody with any knowledge at all of the topics would dismiss them because they lack sound scholarship. Pop culture and movies are not a good source of information in most cases. Linguistic and cultural knowledge is a decent basis though and I do possess that.
~ Now if you dont want to practice martial arts that is fine. On the other hand I have found that they are an excellent discipline on many many levels and shall continue to encourage others to study under qualified instructors.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourself...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

[JCFantasy23]

My best friend of 14 years is married to a man who had a strong religious background ( I guess) His father is a pastor. Anyway he views yoga as wrong and mystical. I dunno where he gets any of THAT from.

[Elijah2]

My best friend of 14 years is married to a man who had a strong religious background ( I guess) His father is a pastor. Anyway he views yoga as wrong and mystical. I dunno where he gets any of THAT from.

From the LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, and not the unholy spirits of yoga!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Elijah2]

~ Bubba, I have been around for decades, all over the world and seen traps and snares. Demonic and otherwise. Fear, arrogance, pride and unteachableness are a few.
~ Why is it as Christians we accept poor scholarship and exegesis on an issue to make a point? If the articles you posted on this subject were to convince someone (and books on the same subject as well), anybody with any knowledge at all of the topics would dismiss them because they lack sound scholarship. Pop culture and movies are not a good source of information in most cases. Linguistic and cultural knowledge is a decent basis though and I do possess that.
~ Now if you dont want to practice martial arts that is fine. On the other hand I have found that they are an excellent discipline on many many levels and shall continue to encourage others to study under qualified instructors.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourself...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~
Thanks Lei, I've heard it all before. COntinue to discuss amongst yourself.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Lulav]

What you need to ask yourself is if you are conforming to the world or not, or the things you do or watch etc, are of the world or of G-d? Paul tells us to not be conformed to the world. There is nothing I can think of that is of both at the same time, so a choice must be made.

I see many lobsters in a pot here.

[Lulav]

I see yoga mentioned here alot.

Did Jesus do yoga?

Why or why not?

[icedtea]

yoga is 'touted' as a relaxation technique. Other times its explained as a way to 'connect' with a higher power.
Jesus could do both of those things with His father, no yoga needed.

[Elijah2]

My best friend of 14 years is married to a man who had a strong religious background ( I guess) His father is a pastor. Anyway he views yoga as wrong and mystical. I dunno where he gets any of THAT from.

I suppose it's because he knows what he is talking about!:)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Elijah2]

yoga is 'touted' as a relaxation technique. Other times its explained as a way to 'connect' with a higher power.
Jesus could do both of those things with His father, no yoga needed.

Yep, NO oxymorons, just HIM and HIS FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT. If those who practice other relgion practices can't see that then there is something wrong with their foundational TRUTHS of HIS INSPIRED WORD.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Elijah2]

What you need to ask yourself is if you are conforming to the world or not, or the things you do or watch etc, are of the world or of G-d? Paul tells us to not be conformed to the world. There is nothing I can think of that is of both at the same time, so a choice must be made.

I see many lobsters in a pot here.

Sad as it is Lu, they would rather be a lemon than an orange, because being a lemon makes them more comfortable with themself.:)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[BenAdam]

I see yoga mentioned here alot.

Did Jesus do yoga?

Why or why not?
Did Jesus drive a car, did Jesus use the Internet, did Jesus get married?

[Lulav]

yoga is 'touted' as a relaxation technique. Other times its explained as a way to 'connect' with a higher power.
Jesus could do both of those things with His father, no yoga needed.:amen:

[Lulav]

Did Jesus drive a car, did Jesus use the Internet, did Jesus get married?

The question was

did he do yoga, why or why not?

Your sarcastic answer is not even applicable.

Did he drive a car?

no, why or why not?
Because they didn't exist then

did he use the internet?
no, Why or why not?
because Al Gore hadn't been born yet. :) thus it didn't exist

Did he get married?

Yes, why or why not?
He is betrothed to his beloved, his body of believers. :)

Now to the original question

Did Jesus do yoga?

Why or why not?

Well first was it in existence in his time?

Born in India, almost 26,000 years ago, Yoga is believed to have evolved during the period of the ‘Sat Yuga’, also called the Golden age. This period became known as a time of everlasting peace and abundant blessings, filled with seekers of the Eternal Truth. That is why, probably, even today we associate yoga with sages and hermits.

It was not until the discovery of the Indus- valley civilization, the largest civilization, that knowledge about the origin of Yoga surfaced. Excavations give evidence of yoga’s existence during this period; yogi -like figures engraved on soapstone seals have been unearthed. In fact, it was the Aryans, migrating from the north- west, who were instrumental in discovering yoga.

In 600 B.C., during the dark age of Kali Yug, signified by Iron, these practices were written down for the first time by Patanjali in India and thus gained a structure that evolved into various systems given out by contemporary Gurus. This structure was called the Eight Limbs of Patañjali's Yoga.

I guess that answers that.


It did exist and he didn't participate in it, for reasons exceedingly clear:

The purpose of yoga (meaning to bind) was called the 'raising of Mother Kundalini'(the life force at the base of the spine). Yoga had its origins in India in the Sat Yuga, the Age of Gold, over 26,000 years ago. This was a long peaceful age of abudance in which humans had plenty of time to search within. The origin of yoga (http://www.holistic-resonance.com/theorigin.html)


Yet the bible doesn't tell us to search within, instead it tells us that King David wrote to :

1 O Lord, you have searched me and you know me. 2 You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. 3 You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. 4 Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O Lord. 5 You hem me in--behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me. 6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain.
7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. 9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, 10 even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. 11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," 12 even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you. 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
17 How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them! 18 Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand. When I awake, I am still with you. 19 If only you would slay the wicked, O God! Away from me, you bloodthirsty men! 20 They speak of you with evil intent; your adversaries misuse your name. 21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord, and abhor those who rise up against you? 22 I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies. 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. 24 See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.



Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain

[BenAdam]

Yoga was not present in Palestine during Jesus time. Jesus didn't do alot of things that were existant at the time, that is not a valid argument.

[JCFantasy23]

From the LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, and not the unholy spirits of yoga!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

He did not give that as the reason, he just said it looked weird to him. Then again he also cannot watch a woman over her forties dance in a music video, because he thinks its disgusting and should be reserved for younger singers.

[JCFantasy23]

yoga is 'touted' as a relaxation technique. Other times its explained as a way to 'connect' with a higher power.
Jesus could do both of those things with His father, no yoga needed.

Oh I agree Jesus can do all of those things. I have not heard of yoga being used to connect with a higher power. If so, I dont know of all women using this when using yoga. I know it is a relaxation technique, but I see nothing wrong with that. With stress being a big killer of people, we should find different ways of unwinding. I know it's an exercise as well as its main focus, elongating the muscles slowly and good for those especially who can take on high aerobic exercise.

[Lulav]

Yoga was not present in Palestine during Jesus time. Jesus didn't do alot of things that were existant at the time, that is not a valid argument. Yes, it is a valid argument only not for those who don't want to believe it is wrong.

The reason that he had nothing to do with it is because Light has nothing to do with darkness.

Not to mention the prophecy in Genesis 3:15

[Lulav]

You to watch these videos.
1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCv5qMC7QA

Can Believers in Jesus Christ Do Yoga and Still Worship God?
raja yoga is a meditation where the soul begins to understand itself clearly, she believes it is the highest form of Hinduism, "it has a connection to the supreme being" Raj means royal and yoga means union so it means the link with the supreme being, and through this yoga I become the ruler over myself, over my mind over my life"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnngtB8ISA&NR=1

Isn't that position supposed to be reserved for Jesus?

[probinson]

Yoga poses stretch my muscles and makes me sore in the morning.

That's it.

[icedtea]

One can relax and exercise any how, no yoga needed. Has anyone read up on it? Its only about relaxing the body?

[probinson]

One can relax and exercise any how, no yoga needed. Has anyone read up on it? Its only about relaxing the body?
I need not read up on it. What yoga was meant for is of no consequence to me.

This is kind of like the whole Halloween debate (that will inevitably be here in a few months ;)). Me personally, I don't even acknowledge Halloween. I am unable to separate the "holiday" from its roots. But at the same time, I do not condemn those who just see it as nothing more than a day to munch on some candy.

So for me, yoga is just a real spiffy way for me to stand on my Wii balance board and improve my flexibility and balance. Nothing more, nothing less.

[JCFantasy23]

One can relax and exercise any how, no yoga needed. Has anyone read up on it? Its only about relaxing the body?

No, I have not. I am nowhere an expert on the subject. Some people I know who have used it, however, did so just for exercise and not for anything spiritual. They also found it relaxing. And yes, yoga is not the only way to relax. Sometimes it's way you use things that can make it negative or positive.

[Elijah2]

He did not give that as the reason, he just said it looked weird to him. Then again he also cannot watch a woman over her forties dance in a music video, because he thinks its disgusting and should be reserved for younger singers.

Sorry, I have missed your point.:confused:

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Elijah2]

Oh well, if you want to cleanse your soul, then good old confession, repentance, and forgiveness is the answer there.

Now if you want to meditate on our Lord Jesus Christ, then all you need to do is put on some good, heart feeling praise and worship that allows you to sing with adoration from your heart what HE means to you.

And I am sure, you don't need other religion's practices to know our Lord Jesus Christ and to be set free from captivity, such as anxiety, anger, depression, and all those things that they use it for.

Isn't our Lord Jesus Christ enough for believers?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[charityagape]

I need not read up on it. What yoga was meant for is of no consequence to me.

This is kind of like the whole Halloween debate (that will inevitably be here in a few months ;)). Me personally, I don't even acknowledge Halloween. I am unable to separate the "holiday" from its roots. But at the same time, I do not condemn those who just see it as nothing more than a day to munch on some candy.

So for me, yoga is just a real spiffy way for me to stand on my Wii balance board and improve my flexibility and balance. Nothing more, nothing less.

:D I don't care about the roots, halloween is the bomb. Seriously people just GIVE you candy. I'm all for anything that allows you to walk up to someone's door and have them give you a little chocolate (only cheapies give out suckers). I'm not all that into yoga though, maybe it has something to do with my candy obsession.

[BenAdam]

Yes, it is a valid argument only not for those who don't want to believe it is wrong.

The reason that he had nothing to do with it is because Light has nothing to do with darkness.

Not to mention the prophecy in Genesis 3:15

You are arguing from silence, that is not a valid argument with no other evidence.

Other things Jesus didn't do:
Play a musical instrument
Ride a horse (did ride a donkey, let's make a doctrine out of that)
Sail on the Ocean
Mine
Run a Marathon
Grow Olives...

your argument is vapid.

[Lulav]

I need not read up on it. What yoga was meant for is of no consequence to me.

This is kind of like the whole Halloween debate (that will inevitably be here in a few months ;)). Me personally, I don't even acknowledge Halloween. I am unable to separate the "holiday" from its roots. But at the same time, I do not condemn those who just see it as nothing more than a day to munch on some candy.

So for me, yoga is just a real spiffy way for me to stand on my Wii balance board and improve my flexibility and balance. Nothing more, nothing less.
what is a wii balance board?

[mont974x4]

what is a wii balance board?

It's a special game controller for the Wii. You use it for ski games and Wii Fit.

[Lulav]

You are arguing from silence, that is not a valid argument with no other evidence.

Other things Jesus didn't do:
Play a musical instrument
Ride a horse (did ride a donkey, let's make a doctrine out of that)
Sail on the Ocean
Mine
Run a Marathon
Grow Olives...

your argument is vapid. Silence? Genesis 3:15 is not silent about the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman, there is emnity between them, one is darkness and the other light. Did you watch those videos?

And your list there is moot. You don't have any idea what he did, we all only know what is written, however knowing my Savior I know without it being written that he also didn't do these things

Sacrifice children
smoke cigarettes or pot
fornicate
gamble
dishonor his father
wear a speedo
play in a rock band
cruise bars on friday night
go to the gym

and the list can go on, but I think you catch the drift, at least I hope so.

Doing something that is intertwined with a false religion would be breaking his own commandments, so therefore I don't need to read that he didn't participate in it, I just know, 100% that he didn't.

Saying you can practice yoga and not be involved with the Hindu religion and be calling up evil spirits is like saying you can practice molech worship but you aren't using real babies, just dolls.

But Ben, if you want to do it, that is your responsibility. You have been given the information, what you do with it is now on your soul and no one elses's. No one, including G-d is going to try and stop you.

In fact he will not try and stop anyone, besides give them people to warn of the truth about these types of things, but when he sees that the heart of that person is not towards sound doctrine and yearning for the truth he will do as he says through Paul. For he speaks of the time that will come , which I believe is now, that they will not endure sound doctrine ( they will make fun of it, and revile those bringing it to them) but after their own fleshly pleasures ( lusts) to satisfy, they will seek out those who will tell them that seeking after things not of G-d are ok with G-d , ( they will surround themselves with those who teach these kinds of things, to tickle their ears, to say pleasant things to them, and they shall turn from what is truth and shall be drawn unto fables.

And because they don't want to believe the truth, because it hinders them doing these things of the flesh that they love, then G-d himself will send them strong delusion, so they will believe this lie , and believe it as the truth. But those that do will be damned, because they choose not to believe the truth, but took pleasure, fleshly pleasure in unrighteousness.

Yoga was designed by Satan and he controls it.

G-d has made one right way to worship him and it is not through yoga, on the other hand Satan has made thousands of ways to worship him , mainly to keep people in the dark that they are worshiping him.

If you have any decernment left, watch the video, especially the second one, and listen to people who have been there, have taught this, and listen from their own mouths what it really is.

To say you are worshiping G-d in this way, is like what they did in Ezekiel 8:

Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east.And he called these things, great abominations, unrighteousness.

[Lulav]

It's a special game controller for the Wii. You use it for ski games and Wii Fit. I'm sorry, I don't keep up with all that stuff, last game I play with a controller was ping pong way back when my computer was a Texas instrument one. :D

Can you explain what this thing is, or does and why you have to stand on a board? I thought game controllers you held in your hands? something called joysticks I think?

[BenAdam]

Silence? Genesis 3:15 is not silent about the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman, there is emnity between them, one is darkness and the other light. Did you watch those videos?

And your list there is moot. You don't have any idea what he did, we all only know what is written, however knowing my Savior I know without it being written that he also didn't do these things

Sacrifice children
smoke cigarettes or pot
fornicate
gamble
dishonor his father
wear a speedo
play in a rock band
cruise bars on friday night
go to the gym

and the list can go on, but I think you catch the drift, at least I hope so.

Doing something that is intertwined with a false religion would be breaking his own commandments, so therefore I don't need to read that he didn't participate in it, I just know, 100% that he didn't.

Saying you can practice yoga and not be involved with the Hindu religion and be calling up evil spirits is like saying you can practice molech worship but you aren't using real babies, just dolls.

But Ben, if you want to do it, that is your responsibility. You have been given the information, what you do with it is now on your soul and no one elses's. No one, including G-d is going to try and stop you.

In fact he will not try and stop anyone, besides give them people to warn of the truth about these types of things, but when he sees that the heart of that person is not towards sound doctrine and yearning for the truth he will do as he says through Paul. For he speaks of the time that will come , which I believe is now, that they will not endure sound doctrine ( they will make fun of it, and revile those bringing it to them) but after their own fleshly pleasures ( lusts) to satisfy, they will seek out those who will tell them that seeking after things not of G-d are ok with G-d , ( they will surround themselves with those who teach these kinds of things, to tickle their ears, to say pleasant things to them, and they shall turn from what is truth and shall be drawn unto fables.

And because they don't want to believe the truth, because it hinders them doing these things of the flesh that they love, then G-d himself will send them strong delusion, so they will believe this lie , and believe it as the truth. But those that do will be damned, because they choose not to believe the truth, but took pleasure, fleshly pleasure in unrighteousness.

Yoga was designed by Satan and he controls it.

G-d has made one right way to worship him and it is not through yoga, on the other hand Satan has made thousands of ways to worship him , mainly to keep people in the dark that they are worshiping him.

If you have any decernment left, watch the video, especially the second one, and listen to people who have been there, have taught this, and listen from their own mouths what it really is.

To say you are worshiping G-d in this way, is like what they did in Ezekiel 8:

And he called these things, great abominations, unrighteousness.

Aha!! We finally got to it. See you orginally posted that Jesus didn't practice yoga. What Jesus did or did not do is not really a factor at all in determining the truth of a matter. What Jesus said is. Jesus never ate pork, yet that doesn't make eating pork sin to a gentile.

It is disingenuous to use what Jesus may or may not have done (especially if scripture is silent on it) to point to it's rightness or wrongness.

I never said Yoga was ok. I think doing some of the moves and streches are harmless, but anything beyond that gets into a dangerous area.

[Redheadedstepchild]

And your list there is moot. You don't have any idea what he did, we all only know what is written, however knowing my Savior I know without it being written that he also didn't do these things

Sacrifice children
smoke cigarettes or pot
fornicate
gamble
dishonor his father
wear a speedo
play in a rock band
cruise bars on friday night
go to the gym

I'm sorry, that is just WRONG. LOL. :swoon: ^_^

[GrapeGirl]

Well, it taught me that I can sit completely still for 3 minutes... ;)



THREE WHOLE MINUTES!!!!!!?!??!?!?!?!? Nooooo freakin way dude. That's more than I could do.

[probinson]

I'm sorry, I don't keep up with all that stuff, last game I play with a controller was ping pong way back when my computer was a Texas instrument one. :D

Can you explain what this thing is, or does and why you have to stand on a board? I thought game controllers you held in your hands? something called joysticks I think?
Wii Fit is a creation by Nintendo that uses the Wii Balance Board (See here (http://www.nintendo.com/wiifit/launch/))

The Balance Board is a device that you stand on, about the size of a large bathroom scale. It is able to detect shifts in your center of balance. Therefore, by using the balance board, your entire body can be become the joystick, by leaning in all directions.

As it pertains to yoga, there are some 15 yoga poses that you can do in Wii Fit. As you hold each of these poses (usually for 30-45 seconds) while standing on the board, a graphical indicator shows you where your center of balance is. It strengthens your muscles, and makes you more aware of your balance. The yoga poses are meant to loosen you up, and then there are some 15 strength training exercises, such as lunges, push-ups, etc., and there are also aerobic exercises, as well as some balance games.

Wii Fit makes no reference to the spiritual aspects of yoga, and focuses solely on the muscular and benefits to your balance.

That is the extent of my involvement with yoga. I stand on one leg and try to hold my balance in the yellow area on the screen for 45 seconds, which I'm getting decidedly better at after 3 months!

That's why I say yoga can be just simple exercise and stretching, because that's all it is to me.