Why don't Jews consider Yeshua a prophet?

[Kris10leigh]

This is more of a "Hmmm, I wonder" kind of a question.

Islam recognizes Yeshua as a prophet, but Judaism does not. Do you suppose it's possible that Jews do not view Yeshua as a prophet because of all the bad history between the two? Is it possible He'd be considered at least a prophet if Judaism and Christianity weren't trying to get as far away from each other as possible? (Speaking very generally)

[Qalevra]

When it came to recognising prophets, they were generally recognised within their lifetime, so the idea that Jews are rejecting him based on past relations with his followers doesn't work. If he did indeed exist, he was clearly rejected during his own lifetime. And based on what I've seen from the NT, many of his ideas weren't necessarily new. The only revelation (perhaps embellished by his followers?) he really provided was that he was the son of god, a messiah, a redeemer, which is completely contrary to Judaism.

[jaihare]

I've begun to answer this question in this thread (http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=47706914&postcount=743). The fact that Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet adds nothing to the argument, for they were simply accepting EVERYTHING that they heard from both Jews and Christians. They wanted to have the highlights from both religions. More correctly, Muhammad liked the highlights of both religions, but the details of neither.

Jesus was and is nothing in Judaism simply because he amounted to nothing in his generation (as Qalevra stated) and because he did not bring about the Messianic Age (which disqualifies him from being the Messiah).

Jason

[ShirChadash]

good answer Qal... off to read that thread, Jason...

[Lulav]

This is more of a "Hmmm, I wonder" kind of a question.

Islam recognizes Yeshua as a prophet, but Judaism does not. Do you suppose it's possible that Jews do not view Yeshua as a prophet because of all the bad history between the two? Is it possible He'd be considered at least a prophet if Judaism and Christianity weren't trying to get as far away from each other as possible? (Speaking very generally)


"But they were disobedient and rebelled against you; they put your law behind their backs. They killed your prophets, who had admonished them in order to turn them back to you; they committed awful blasphemies.

"Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your forefathers who killed them.


Those of Yeshua's day, and even today are just like the King of Israel:

And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, Micaiah the son of Imlah, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he doth not prophesy good concerning me, but evil. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.

Those who hated him does not mean they didn't believe him, they hated him because he knew how corrupt they were and how proud they were and far from G-d. They would not admit it and repent and turn from their sins and back to him. The darkness cannot abide in the light, nor love it or accept it.

but I tell you , why do certain Jews today hate him so much if

1. He didn't ever exist
2. He was a false prophet, a liar
3. He was not really the Messiah Moshe spoke about?

Why hate something that is non existent? unless you know deep down, that isn't true?

Yeshua said:

John 15:18-25 18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.
23 He who hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.'

Yeshua said: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill, and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of Gehenna. (Matt 5:21,22) The judgement, the council, and Gehenna were three means of executing a criminal by increasingly worse means. The judgement executed by beheading, the council by stoning, and Gehenna was where the worst offenders were burned after death.
Yeshua is saying that certain types of anger deserve such punishment, as he relates it to three sins of increasing severity:


anger without sufficient cause
saying Raca or worthless fellow
and saying, Thou fool, meaning vile person not to be loved.

And some fall into all three categories in the way they speak of Yeshua.


"They hated me without cause........."

[Torah613]

so, nu, what exactly did he say that wasn't standard bais Hillel?

Yochanan

[ChavaK]

why do certain Jews today hate him so much



Who says we hate him? Most Jews just don't really
give him much thought, let alone hate him.

What we do hate though, is Jews that go off the
derech......not the Jews, but the actions.

[Torah613]

Omayn, Chava, Omayn!

Yochanan

[Lulav]

This is more of a "Hmmm, I wonder" kind of a question.

Islam recognizes Yeshua as a prophet, but Judaism does not. Do you suppose it's possible that Jews do not view Yeshua as a prophet because of all the bad history between the two? Is it possible He'd be considered at least a prophet if Judaism and Christianity weren't trying to get as far away from each other as possible? (Speaking very generally)

Even in Yeshua's day his own talmidim did not believe him to be the promised Messiah, but they did believe he was a prophet. It took him, himself as the risen L-RD to show them how Messiah was to come and what was to happen to him. It takes the revealing of G-d himself to the open heart to see who Messiah really is. There are many true Jews who do regocnize him to be a prophet, not your younger ones, nor your converted ones, but A True Jew searching for his G-d, will admit he was a prophet. Hey, the Samaritan woman even recognized him as such.

Truly Jews today ( not Judaism) cannot deny this prophecy he made, that came to pass even in detail, that the temple they so loved would be destroyed, and not like Solomons, where there were remnants of it left, but totally. It was recorded in three books.

mark 13:1 As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him,
"Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!"
2 "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus.
"Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

Luke 19:41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you."


it's also recorded in Matthew 24.

The sacking of Jerusalem is validated history, as well as the total loss of the beautiful building project of Herod, the temple, yet many of his other building projects remain or recognizable parts.