Obama the messiah

[ChavaK]

I don't want to start a political discussion about whether you
support Obama or not.

What I am interested is why people react to him the way they do.
It's like they get a glassy eye stare, unable to fixate on anything
else when they listen to him talk.

My husband summed it perfectly- he says they act like Obama
is the Moshiach.

He might be a good orator, but I haven't seem people this entranced
with a speaker in a long time. Indeed it seems like they think he
is Moshiach.

So what gives? Why do people react this way?
I guess because I don't react this way I am having
understanding why people do.

[ShirChadash]

I don't want to start a political discussion about whether you
support Obama or not.

What I am interested is why people react to him the way they do.
It's like they get a glassy eye stare, unable to fixate on anything
else when they listen to him talk.

My husband summed it perfectly- he says they act like Obama
is the Moshiach.

He might be a good orator, but I haven't seem people this entranced
with a speaker in a long time. Indeed it seems like they think he
is Moshiach.

So what gives? Why do people react this way?
I guess because I don't react this way I am having
understanding why people do.

I agree, entirely, Chava -- and I have to say it is nice to see you post this because I was beginning to think almost no one agrees with me LOL.

[ChavaK]

I agree, entirely, Chava -- and I have to say it is nice to see you post this because I was beginning to think almost no one agrees with me LOL.

Great minds, and all that.

It is like they feel Obama is going to come solve all the problems of
our country in one fell sloop. He is the moshiach of the US.

That is the feeling I get from people and the media, who focuses so
much attention on him.

Nobody who gets in office is going to solve all of our problems.
So I am not saying Obama is good or bad, or will make a good
or bad president.
Just that people seem to have unrealistic opinions of him and
what he can do.

[kivi]

kivi says: Well, here it goes, my reputation level sinks faster than the stock market, but what the heck.:cool:

I don't think there is anything glassy eyed about the people who support Obama. I think it is profound concentration and great admiration. His victory over Hillary was close. He lead, pretty much from the beginning and toward the end, he had the math on his side, but he never wiped the floor up with her. She was always just behind or just ahead, state by state by state. It was NO landslide on his part. And Hillary got just as much press, both good and bad as he. [What a dream ticket, Obama and Clinton:thumbsup:.] To say he has gotten too much attention, I would agree.;) Lets get off Pastor Wright, lets get off Obama's wife, lets get off the whether he does or doesn't wear a US flag lapel pin. Lets get off the beginning to end hate mongering of all of the national right wing AM radio diatribe show hosts. Too much attention?!? Right on;)

I don't know 'unrealistic'. Like a previous canidate from Illinois, he comes to the Presdential campaign without much of a national reputation or national record. So, for many, since they are still getting to know him, they treat him like an empty vase and pour their own expectations into him. That will change, as we get to know him better. He has an agenda and passionately felt issues he wants to make happen. So, maybe the additonal attention by the media is good. After all, if we don't know him, isn't it their job to inform us? And if he isn't well known, then doesn't the media have to give more time and effort to do the job so we will have as much information on him as on McCain, who does have a powerful and often successful national reputation and record. Seems reasonable to me. How else can we make an informed and rational choice based on the best interests of the Nation?

And don't knock charima. All great Presidents have it. It is a necessary part of the job of governance, to get people to see and react as you do. To guide and enlist/enrole people in great causes is the most imporatant part of leadership. Jackson had it, Lincoln had it, TR had it, FDR had it, JFK had it, Reagan had it. Maybe Obama has it, we will see.

Great minds, and all that.

It is like they feel Obama is going to come solve all the problems of
our country in one fell sloop. He is the moshiach of the US.

That is the feeling I get from people and the media, who focuses so
much attention on him.

Nobody who gets in office is going to solve all of our problems.
So I am not saying Obama is good or bad, or will make a good
or bad president.
Just that people seem to have unrealistic opinions of him and
what he can do.

[jaihare]

kivi says: Well, here it goes, my reputation level sinks faster than the stock market, but what the heck.:cool:

I don't think there is anything glassy eyed about the people who support Obama. I think it is profound concentration and great admiration. His victory over Hillary was close. He lead, pretty much from the beginning and toward the end, he had the math on his side, but he never wiped the floor up with her. She was always just behind or just ahead, state by state by state. It was NO landslide on his part. And Hillary got just as much press, both good and bad as he. [What a dream ticket, Obama and Clinton:thumbsup:.] To say he has gotten too much attention, I would agree.;) Lets get off Pastor Wright, lets get off Obama's wife, lets get off the whether he does or doesn't wear a US flag lapel pin. Lets get off the beginning to end hate mongering of all of the national right wing AM radio diatribe show hosts. Too much attention?!? Right on;)

I don't know 'unrealistic'. Like a previous canidate from Illinois, he comes to the Presdential campaign without much of a national reputation or national record. So, for many, since they are still getting to know him, they treat him like an empty vase and pour their own expectations into him. That will change, as we get to know him better. He has an agenda and passionately felt issues he wants to make happen. So, maybe the additonal attention by the media is good. After all, if we don't know him, isn't it their job to inform us? And if he isn't well known, then doesn't the media have to give more time and effort to do the job so we will have as much information on him as on McCain, who does have a powerful and often successful national reputation and record. Seems reasonable to me. How else can we make an informed and rational choice based on the best interests of the Nation?

And don't knock charima. All great Presidents have it. It is a necessary part of the job of governance, to get people to see and react as you do. To guide and enlist/enrole people in great causes is the most imporatant part of leadership. Jackson had it, Lincoln had it, TR had it, FDR had it, JFK had it, Reagan had it. Maybe Obama has it, we will see.
:thumbsup:

[HalcyonFire]

My explanation is easy. I'm not a democrat, I'm not liberal... therefore I don't support Obama. I dont' have any "personal" issues involved in my dislike of him, in fact, I think he'd probably be a neat person to know... I, however, am VERY conservative in my politics... I'm disappointed that we have two liberal candidates to choose from this year instead of just one.

Anyway, he's dynamic and a good speaker... I think he appeals to those who feel he represents the people who have been subjugated rising up... kwim? I think he is personable on many levels. There are many reasons for his popularity...

[ChavaK]

Anyway, he's dynamic and a good speaker... I think he appeals to those who feel he represents the people who have been subjugated rising up... kwim? I think he is personable on many levels. There are many reasons for his popularity...

I agree with you....but I still do not understand why he is on a
moshiach type level with many people....

And out of curiosity.....which people have been subjugated?

:wave:

[ShirChadash]

ditto ERM esp on the two liberal candidates -- I'm moderate-to-very conservative, depending which issue is on the table for discussion. I am amazed at how little genuine substance is behind Obama's comments, even this late in the game -- they're rhetoric and undetailed rhetoric at that. I feel he purposely doesn't answer in specifics in order to leave the proverbial door open for anyone to believe he is saying what they agree with, so they will get behind him. And I have seen over and over how people have issues, serious concerns, and then after he speaks to their group, voila! Everything's hunkydory, the concerns are all gone -- seriously, I know it harks back to chr*tian evangelicalism for me to say it, but it reminds me of the Left Behind movie where people have their doubts and concerns, and then hear the evil man speak, and suddenly yes indeed, the eyes glaze and the countenance changes, and the party-line becomes the standard utterance. It's freaky. I feel like I am watching the stepfordization of the nation.

[HalcyonFire]

I agree with you....but I still do not understand why he is on a
moshiach type level with many people....

And out of curiosity.....which people have been subjugated?

:wave:
I was trying to be PC... that's out the window

blacks, mixed races, those who come from family backgrounds other than christian... just to name a few

this also could in an associative way give hope to people with alternative lifestyles, women, etc. because they are also in classes that have been down-trodden

[ChavaK]

I was trying to be PC... that's out the window

blacks, mixed races, those who come from family backgrounds other than christian... just to name a few

this also could in an associative way give hope to people with alternative lifestyles, women, etc. because they are also in classes that have been down-trodden

Ah, gotcha. Just wasn't sure what you meant by "subjugated"..

[ChavaK]

. I am amazed at how little genuine substance is behind Obama's comments, even this late in the game -- they're rhetoric and undetailed rhetoric at that.

I guess that is what I have noticed too- he gives a pretty speech,
but he doesn't say anything.

Now I am not saying he is the only politician to do this, it's common.
It's just that people see so enthralled by his speeches and ideas,
and I haven't really seen concrete ideas.

That's what I don't get- the messiah complex around him when he
has no substance.

[Qalevra]

Obama unnerves me because he's not coming out and saying what he stands for. McCain acts like a pushover. Oh well, I don't really have a dog in this fight since I can't vote, but I find this election very interesting.

[ChavaK]

Obama unnerves me because he's not coming out and saying what he stands for. McCain acts like a pushover. Oh well, I don't really have a dog in this fight since I can't vote, but I find this election very interesting.

Yep, a couple of pathetic choices we have.....

[Qalevra]

Vote "None of the Above"

[HalcyonFire]

yeah, they still haven't added that to the ballot Q... lol. Guess they want you to pick so they can actually HAVE results

[kivi]

Lets see how they stack up: McCain/Bush: childern of privilege with all the advantages of wealth, family position and perferential treatment that being the son and grandson of Naval Admirals [and the husband of a millionaire wife who he got because of his adulterous activities] or the grandson of a US Senator and the son of a President can bring. Obama: son of a single mom, who was twice married and twice divorced. Raised by his grandparents for most of his life. Go all of his education because of his achievements, not his bloodline. Got his degrees and jobs and success in politics because he earned them, not because he inherited them.

Bush/McCain: not only supported the war in Iraq, but actively pushed for it & lied or at best, were criminally incompetant in regards to WMDs and the immediate danger of the Iraq regime. Obama opposed the war from its very inception.

Bush and the Republicans supported the biggest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of the US. Cain has flipped flopped on the matter and currently supports those give-ways to the wealthy ologicarcy and Big Business. Obama would repeal such robbery.

On those three points I don't think that the choice between Bush/McCain and Obama is irrelevant but mightly important. They will decide the future of America: between privilege, wealth and elitism & hard work and earned individual achievement. I think this is a huge election. A election that will stop the 'slippery-slidey' down the path of cynicism and despair: "What can I do? Big Government and Big Business and Big Military and Big Wealth run the USA." and motivate us to "Return America to the principles of Justice, Honesty and Integrity that has guided this Country from its beginnings." America is not a bunch of physical boundaries, lines on a map; it is an ideal to light the path of the world to freedom, truthfulness and democracy. We need to return to that clear and uncompromised ideal.

[visionary]

Obama is the dark horse... not sure what the US is buying until you get it home to the White House.

Not too sure, I would want Obama in power. He is very smart and very very good in front of the public. That makes him dangerous. Of course, that also means, with the world prophectic history winding up, he will play right into the last days. He could be the next Pontius Pilot who kills and washes hands of any responsibility for it.

[HalcyonFire]

:) Pilot was not responsible...

anyway, I find the idea that any of them is in any way an anti-christ type figure silly. no politician is the anti-christ beause no politician will appeal to the majority of the world. politicial ideas are too different (and if it does happen, it will be so overt it'll be easy to tell)

[kivi]

kivi says: That is wild spectulation based on no evidence. You got any facts, or is what is driving you unfounded fears? Obama has more national experience and exposure than A. Lincoln did when he was elected president. If there was ever a dark horse, it was Lincoln, not Obama. And to equate Obama with Pontius Pilate is the most thought-less flight of fantasy I have heard for a long long time. Being very smart and very good in front of the public are postive qualifications unless you want a President so stupid and ham handed with the public that he is a total failure. Oh, we already have that with Bush.:o Maybe America deserves something better? I think so.


Obama is the dark horse... not sure what the US is buying until you get it home to the White House.

Not too sure, I would want Obama in power. He is very smart and very very good in front of the public. That makes him dangerous. Of course, that also means, with the world prophectic history winding up, he will play right into the last days. He could be the next Pontius Pilot who kills and washes hands of any responsibility for it.

[ChazakEmunah]

Being a Libertarian, I can't stand either of them. I'm going to write in Ron Paul.

[insaneinthebrain]

Being a Libertarian, I can't stand either of them. I'm going to write in Ron Paul.

You're not backing Bob Barr?

[debi b]

I have heard rumblings that there is concern that he (Obama) is the ANTI-messiah. Personally I have a small bit of concern for his safety.

In any event - whoever is the next president is gonna have a heck of a mess on their hands and I sure would not want the job (but then again I have not even voted since the Jimmy Carter days ^_^ )