God?

[notsogrim]

Anyone want to take a stab as to explaining this to me? I mean *really*, give me your best shot, with actual facts, I'm waiting....

[Natural1]

God is everything. The evidence is all around you, whether you choose to accept it or not.

[dead2self]

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

...
Revelation 22

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Ok now, grab a Bible, Start at the first verse I listed and read until the end of the second verse I listed. All the actual facts you could ever need.

And here are a few points quickly:

God is Holy, Holy, Holy
God is Love
God is Just
God is Omnipotent
God is Omniscient
God is Omnipresent
God is Eternal
God is Truth
God is One
God is Righteous
God is Sovereign
God is Glorious
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are God
God is the great I AM
Jehova is an anglisized version of Yahweh, which is from YHWH wich is derived from the Hebrew verb I AM which is the personal name of The Father
Jesus is from the Greek Iesous which from the Hebrew Yeshua with is short for Yehoshua which means "Yahweh is salvation" and is the pernal name of The Son
The Wrath of God abides on sinners
As God is Love, God must hate sin
The Holy Spirit is our teacher
Jesus is the King of kings
Jesus is the Lord of lords
Jesus is the Lion of Judah
Jesus is the Lamb of God
Jesus was crucified for our sins
Jesus raised from the dead
JESUS IS RISEN
Amen

[Jayangel81]

:amen:

[notsogrim]

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

...
Revelation 22

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Ok now, grab a Bible, Start at the first verse I listed and read until the end of the second verse I listed. All the actual facts you could ever need.

And here are a few points quickly:

God is Holy, Holy, Holy
God is Love
God is Just
God is Omnipotent
God is Omniscient
God is Omnipresent
God is Eternal
God is Truth
God is One
God is Righteous
God is Sovereign
God is Glorious
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are God
God is the great I AM
Jehova is an anglisized version of Yahweh, which is from YHWH wich is derived from the Hebrew verb I AM which is the personal name of The Father
Jesus is from the Greek Iesous which from the Hebrew Yeshua with is short for Yehoshua which means "Yahweh is salvation" and is the pernal name of The Son
The Wrath of God abides on sinners
As God is Love, God must hate sin
The Holy Spirit is our teacher
Jesus is the King of kings
Jesus is the Lord of lords
Jesus is the Lion of Judah
Jesus is the Lamb of God
Jesus was crucified for our sins
Jesus raised from the dead
JESUS IS RISEN
Amen

Soo... other than copy and pasting a load of Creationist [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. Tell me, what *you* think, I know theres a lot of books that you must have read that tell you a ton of stuff about what you should believe; but please, tell me what you think.

[dead2self]

I copied and pasted the verses. I composed the rest from my beliefs and convictions. Not a singel letter of that list was copy/paste. That IS what I think. And there is 1 book, the Bible. The Bible, by the way, is backed up by endless evidence in my life, that I shall not go into as you will not accept I am sure and ample evidence from creation. You know all you need to know about God from His revelation of Himself in nature, but supress the truth in unrighteousness. And yes that's from the Bible and no I didn't copy/paste it. I don't listen to what I should believe, I believe Truth. If I didn't see ample evidence for it, I would simply not believe. Odd as it seems, you can be intellectually aware, logical, rational and a Biblical literalist. In fact, I would submit that to be intellectually honest, logical and rational you HAVE to be a Biblical literalist. Any other view I have seen required such great leaps of faith that I simply cannot do it.

Now sir, if we are going to continue some sort of reasonable discourse on the subject, I must respectfully ask that you not assume I am a mindless creationist who is copy/paste happy and use language that will actually make it past site filters. I'm a truck driver and I rarely hear 8 explitives used in a row. That is quite the feat but I would not recommend a repeat.

[snoochface]

I think God is the one who created me. I think he created everything. He has a vested interest in me, which I've seen through my life. There have been so many times I felt completely alone and then felt his presence in one way or another. It's very hard to explain, but I knew he was there. This was before I became a Christian. I was an agnostic for most of my life.

After I believed he existed, I started reading the Bible to know more about him. I chose that venue of knowing him primarily because as a skeptic, I tried many times to find contradictions and errors in the Bible, but after researching (not just reading what atheist and agnostic websites wrote because they put their own bent on it just like Christian sites do, but really researching by cross-referencing the topic of suspected contradiction in other areas of the Bible, researching the culture and context, etc.) I came to the belief that there were not errors or contradictions there after all. I tried to find them and to prove them, but I just didn't see them holding up.

Add to that the fact that known historical men who were written about in secular and extra-Biblical writings - men like Peter, and Paul - were allowing themselves to be martyred in horrible ways like beheading and upside down crucifixion.... all because of the things they believed about God and Jesus, the things in the scriptures. That was powerful evidence to me of the truth. They were there, they wrote it, they believed it enough to die for it. There had to be something there I was missing.

Okay, so. I went to the Bible to learn more about who God is. I didn't understand a lot of it, and some of it made me angry, and some of it made me sad, and some of it made me skeptical. I prayed, though, that if this stuff was true, that he'd find a way to show me. It was weird because I'd hear a pastor on the radio station my husband was listening to giving a message on the very thing I was having trouble with, that I'd just read. Or I'd go with my husband to church, and get into an impromptu conversation with someone on that very issue. It was one of the most direct answers to prayer I'd ever seen -- and again, this is all before I became a Christian.

So now on top of what I already felt like I knew about God, I started feeling like he really listened to me when I prayed to him. Like he had some kind of investment in my life and well-being. I didn't know why he would, but I felt like he did. As I read more into the Bible, particularly the gospels and Romans, I started to feel like I understood the why of it more.

Eventually, I got to the point that I realized a lot of the promises the Bible says God makes, and has made, he's kept. I could see it in my life, my husband's life (he was a Christian already), I could even see it in nature. I started researching secular, extra-Biblical, archeological findings, and realized how much of the history of the Old Testament can be substantiated. All these books written by so many different people over such a long span of time, and they all fall into history and archeology properly -- and they all give us the same message and information about God.

So I believed the Bible was true at that point. And believing God existed, that he cared enough about me to create me and to interact with me, and that the Bible was true, I really had no choice but to believe in Jesus too. And that's when I became a Christian.

I don't follow some company line. I don't belong to a denomination that tells me what to believe. I take everything I hear in church or in messages or sermons, and I try to make sure it matches what the Bible says, because I believe the Bible is truth and is what teaches us about God. I'm not always right, because I'm no theologian and don't know the Bible like the back of my hand - but I know enough to know where to go to find answers.

I think you can know about God through nature and history. I think you can experience God in those ways. I think if you want to learn about him, you can find what you want to know in the Bible. I don't think that's the only way to know him, Romans 1 says it's not, but I think it's a good way. I also think if you pray and ask him to show himself to you, to open your eyes (and your mind) to recognizing him, that he'll do it.

[notsogrim]

I copied and pasted the verses. I composed the rest from my beliefs and convictions. Not a singel letter of that list was copy/paste. That IS what I think. And there is 1 book, the Bible. The Bible, by the way, is backed up by endless evidence in my life, that I shall not go into as you will not accept I am sure and ample evidence from creation. You know all you need to know about God from His revelation of Himself in nature, but supress the truth in unrighteousness. And yes that's from the Bible and no I didn't copy/paste it. I don't listen to what I should believe, I believe Truth. If I didn't see ample evidence for it, I would simply not believe. Odd as it seems, you can be intellectually aware, logical, rational and a Biblical literalist. In fact, I would submit that to be intellectually honest, logical and rational you HAVE to be a Biblical literalist. Any other view I have seen required such great leaps of faith that I simply cannot do it.

Now sir, if we are going to continue some sort of reasonable discourse on the subject, I must respectfully ask that you not assume I am a mindless creationist who is copy/paste happy and use language that will actually make it past site filters. I'm a truck driver and I rarely hear 8 explitives used in a row. That is quite the feat but I would not recommend a repeat.

So now that a I have a minute, lets break this down shall we?

1. You go on about how you didnt copy/paste and such, but in all reality youre just reiterating things that youve heard from a book, or from someone whos read this book more than you have. You also say that you believe the truth... well show me the truth. A book, or several books, are not proof.... if that was so, Harry Potter could be real in theory.

2. Just throwing this out there, I used an 8 letter swear, not a series of 8 connected ones. Id actually be proud of that, I should get an award if I had pulled off an 8 chain burn like that... but no, the forum just made me look like an idiot ;)

3. You also referenced proof of "God" through nature, and creation. If you could please show me proof, or try to explain to me using *realistic* options, Id be more than happy to listen. Id even encourage you to read some books, so that you dont make yourself out to look like some backwoods retard, who cannot wrap their minds around the *facts* shown through science on evolution <3. But go on, try.

[snoochface]

Just curious, but this forum is for new Christians. You don't sound like a new Christian - you don't sound like you are a Christian. Are you?

There are debate forums if you'd like to debate the truth of Christianity, but calling someone a backwoods retard is not going to get you a lot of friendly responses in those forums either.

[notsogrim]

Just curious, but this forum is for new Christians. You don't sound like a new Christian - you don't sound like you are a Christian. Are you?

There are debate forums if you'd like to debate the truth of Christianity, but calling someone a backwoods retard is not going to get you a lot of friendly responses in those forums either.

Bah hahaha. If I wanted friends, I wouldnt be looking for them on a group of delusional peoples forum ;)

[snoochface]

Bah hahaha. If I wanted friends, I wouldnt be looking for them on a group of delusional peoples forum ;)

I didn't say friends. I said friendly responses. Big difference.

Are you really looking for answers and discussion, or are you just here to mock? Because I gave you a serious response (which you ignored in favor of mocking another poster).