I thought that all people were welcome on this forum to be treated with respect...

[GodsGlory]

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported?

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.

[t1wGl]

http://www.rodney.com/rodney/images/album_large/cigar.jpg

[ImmersionX]

I'm a baptist...but yes respect is in order.
Peace and God Bless.

[t1wGl]

It's better not to take this forum to seriously.

[charityagape]

No.

[ImmersionX]

My question to that concept is this:

WHY are you here?
To undermine those that do take this as a serious fellowship of believers??????????

S'plain please cause this really peeves me. Yep I said peeve! woot.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported?
In some cases, that would certainly seem to be the case. Apparently even making an observation which does not agree with someone -- an observation based on your OWN experience of the exact same thing mind you -- can be construed as inflammatory merely because you express disagreement and/or disapproval of the notion someone else has advanced.

[Elijah2]

Ah "respect", a common word not usually expressed in the context that it is defined as.

I put the word "respect" on the same level as "love".

But it's all about esteem or deferential regards felt or shown to another person.

I respect all who post on these forum, and we "put away childish things" (1 Cor. 13).

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[ImmersionX]

Take it for what this is worth, and use it for the Great Commission of our Lord.
Untruth seems to run rampant on this particular forum of CF, it's the nature of the beast so to speak.
Keep your stance strong, let the Holy Spirit be your guide...use the wisdom God gave you....and good luck. =)

Peace and God Bless.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

sorry GG, just realised it "editorialised"... :D

[Deba]

You are welcome here. Grow some elephant skin.

[Deba]

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.

That's a bit unfriendly.

[BenAdam]

Proverbs 18:24 (a) A man who has friends must himself be friendly

[charityagape]

Proverbs 18:24 (a) A man who has friends must himself be friendly

:thumbsup:

[enoch son]

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported?

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.
I'll ben reported at less 70 times. What funny is thats it's when I qoute scriptures and they don't have a answer for it so they report me. Talking about respect. Thank God I don't have that. That would be a OK from the flesh. NAKED AND HANGING FROM A TREE OF SHAME KEN. :blush:

[pinetree]

http://www.rodney.com/rodney/images/album_large/cigar.jpg
:thumbsup::D

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Respect Obama.

[enoch son]

Respect Obama.
give that old time preaching he sat under! TALKING ABOUT THE DOCTRINE OF CONDEMNATION! I think I'm going to be sick now.:doh:

[charityagape]

Respect Obama.

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported?

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.
Well respecting Obama would certainly fall under the catagory of the OP..........I mean you know respecting a person that you share absolutely NO opinions and have no agreement with.......

[enoch son]

Thats not true! Jesus christ removed it.

[charityagape]

Thats not true! Jesus christ removed it.


:confused:

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Well respecting Obama would certainly fall under the catagory of the OP..........I mean you know respecting a person that you share absolutely NO opinions and have no agreement with.......
No, it would not. Respect does not equal agreement. One can disagree with someone and still behave respectfully toward them. Case in point -- Moriah does not agree with what you just said but you don't see it disrespecting you over it here, do you?

Not making walls of text full of absolute garbage, regurgitated spin and lies about someone just because one disagrees with their position or views would be a good start toward showing respect. Of course, when people do not have real arguments to offer about real matters, they tend to resort to that kind of thing. But they really only end up making themselves look uninformed in the end.

[charityagape]

No, it would not. Respect does not equal agreement. One can disagree with someone and still behave respectfully toward them. Case in point -- Moriah does not agree with what you just said but you don't see it disrespecting you over it here, do you?

Not making walls of text full of absolute garbage, regurgitated spin and lies about someone just because one disagrees with their position or views would be a good start toward showing respect. Of course, when people do not have real arguments to offer about real matters, they tend to resort to that kind of thing. But they really only end up making themselves look uninformed in the end.

Hmmm yeah I know..............that's what I was saying.

Well respecting Obama would certainly fall under the catagory of the OP..........I mean you know respecting a person that you share absolutely NO opinions and have no agreement with.......

[synger]

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported?

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.

No, you do not have to share someone else's report to avoid getting reported.

But personally, if i want to avoid being reported, I tend to try to post my opinions in a non-confrontational manner, and within the site-wide rules.

I've been reported, and it's usually when I am being sarcastic or demeaning, especially when I'm just absolutely convinced that someone is totally wrong in their doctrine or understanding and that I just HAVE to correct them... :doh:

In retrospect, those have been the times when I really should have just taken a step back and a break from the computer, and come back when I wasn't upset.

[Balance]

No, you do not have to share someone else's report to avoid getting reported.

But personally, if i want to avoid being reported, I tend to try to post my opinions in a non-confrontational manner, and within the site-wide rules.

I've been reported, and it's usually when I am being sarcastic or demeaning, especially when I'm just absolutely convinced that someone is totally wrong in their doctrine or understanding and that I just HAVE to correct them... :doh:

In retrospect, those have been the times when I really should have just taken a step back and a break from the computer, and come back when I wasn't upset.



:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: You sow respect to reap respect - :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[probinson]

Also, I posted this on another thread, but respect is not just a given. It's earned.

Which is really just another way to say you sow respect to reap respect.

[t1wGl]

My question to that concept is this:

WHY are you here?
To undermine those that do take this as a serious fellowship of believers??????????

S'plain please cause this really peeves me. Yep I said peeve! woot.

In my short little time here in this life and from what I have learned from my few experiences and from old-time Christians in my life who many have passed away is...

1. Don't take yourself too seriously
2. Don't be too hard on yourself
3. God is Love which means the most important thing is to love people
4. You must constantly be on the look out for the elite ninja squirrel posse

[charityagape]

4. You must constantly be on the look out for the elite ninja squirrel posse

They have itty, bitty swords and teeny, tiny black ninja masks.:D

[freedomnchrist]

Originally Posted by ImmersionX http://img.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=47611971#post47611971) Guys and gals, the point of Jesus IMHO is this:

We ALL have a plank in our eye.
If you claim that "you see clearly"....you are sorrowfully misled.

Peace and God Bless.


Charity...I found this very fitting...I borrowed it.

[BenAdam]

http://www.electricsquirrel.com/images/ninja_squirrel.jpg

[charityagape]

http://www.electricsquirrel.com/images/ninja_squirrel.jpg

NO WAY!:D:D

[BenAdam]

here is their leader...

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://pe.elmstreet-online.com/shop1/catalog/images/FU8404_SECRET_SQUIRREL.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHztILBx5MLjsdKcyrStCZNYwg8yw

[pinetree]

give that old time preaching he sat under! TALKING ABOUT THE DOCTRINE OF CONDEMNATION! I think I'm going to be sick now.:doh:
:thumbsup: hey,dont worry,it is campaign fodder for repubs in the fall!

[t1wGl]

http://www.electricsquirrel.com/images/ninja_squirrel.jpg

No one make any sudden moves!!!

[probinson]

No one make any sudden moves!!!
It's OK. We got him!

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/squirrel.jpg

[freedomnchrist]

http://members.shaw.ca/jimlinville/RaptureGopher.jpg

[charityagape]

Squirrels say Gopher's got wrong doctrine.

[freedomnchrist]

Squirrels say Gopher's got wrong doctrine.Muahhhaaaaaaa!!!!!!:sorry:^_^

[GodsGlory]

Also, I posted this on another thread, but respect is not just a given. It's earned.

Which is really just another way to say you sow respect to reap respect.

I know plenty of people who give lots of respect, and get nowhere near the respect in return that they have given.

"It's earned, not given" is a lie of Satan to make a person jump through the hoops of manpleasing to control them their whole entire lives.

[charityagape]

I know plenty of people who give lots of respect, and get nowhere near the respect in return that they have given.

"It's earned, not given" is a lie of Satan to make a person jump through the hoops of manpleasing to control them their whole entire lives.

So you're saying respect should be given to everyone regardless of what they say or do?

[probinson]

"It's earned, not given" is a lie of Satan to make a person jump through the hoops of manpleasing to control them their whole entire lives.
OK then.

Respect is a pretty simple thing. You show respect, from MOST people, you'll get respect.

You come into an established forum and start questioning the intelligence level of other posters within your first 100 posts? Probably shouldn't expect too much respect in return...

[GodsGlory]

Well, look at all Jesus did, and the Bible says he was despised and rejected.

Doesn't sound like respect was given to him in my opinion.

So, respect has to be EARNED, huh?

As I said, a lie of the devil.

[t1wGl]

http://members.shaw.ca/jimlinville/RaptureGopher.jpg
LOL!!!!

[BenAdam]

Well, look at all Jesus did, and the Bible says he was despised and rejected.

Doesn't sound like respect was given to him in my opinion.

So, respect has to be EARNED, huh?

As I said, a lie of the devil.

Well then continue your generally trollish behaviour and see where it gets ya!:preach:

[GodsGlory]

OK then.

Respect is a pretty simple thing. You show respect, from MOST people, you'll get respect.

You come into an established forum and start questioning the intelligence level of other posters within your first 100 posts? Probably shouldn't expect too much respect in return...


Well, you've done that in quite a bit more than 100 posts, demeaning people who don't see it YOUR way with very high-sounding language which just barely passes the confines of the rules, but which in spirit is still negative, critical, condescending, and cutting.

You can sound like you're playing by the rules, but your heart is still in the wrong place when you pretend to know what others are thinking and what they mean. You've done this to me TWICE in no less than 24 hours.

[synger]

"respect must be earned" is one of those things that we might wish were true, but in reality it just doesn't work out that way. I think it really hinges on the definition of the word. There is the "respect" that one gives someone who you admire, and there is the "respect" you give to someone who is in authority over you.

There are a lot of people I don't particularly admire, but whom I treat with respect due to their relationship to me, authority over aspects of my life, or power. I would not have chosen my sister as a friend, for instance, but I respect her as my sister. I don't particularly care for my supervisor, nor admire her very much at all. But I respect her right to oversee my work and her authority over the workplace.

I would be remiss as a mother to allow my daughter to show respect only to those who she thinks have earned it or deserve it. She really struggled with her teacher this past year, and I'm glad she'll have a different one next year. But she still was required to show the proper respect.


There are times I don't particularly respect my husband for his choices or his opinions... but he is my husband, and I respect the relationship we have.

I think it comes down to a lot of things, one of which is that God loves this person (whomever we're talking about), and that even if I don't admire them, I can try to respect God's love of them, and treat them accordingly.

[BenAdam]

"respect must be earned" is one of those things that we might wish were true, but in reality it just doesn't work out that way. I think it really hinges on the definition of the word. There is the "respect" that one gives someone who you admire, and there is the "respect" you give to someone who is in authority over you.

There are a lot of people I don't particularly admire, but who I treat with respect due to their relationship to me, authority over aspects of my life, or power. I would not have chosen my sister as a friend, for instance, but I respect her as my sister. I don't particularly care for my supervisor, nor admire her very much at all. But I respect her right to oversee my work and her authority over the workplace.

I would be remiss as a mother to allow my daughter to show respect only to those who she thinks have earned it or deserve it. She really struggled with her teacher this past year, and I'm glad she'll have a different one next year. But she still was required to show the proper respect.


There are times I don't particularly respect my husband for his choices or his opinions... but he is my husband, and I respect the relationship we have.

I think it comes down to a lot of things, one of which is that God loves this person (whomever we're talking about), and that even if I don't admire them, I can try to respect God's love of them, and treat them accordingly.

Good post Synger. Lets say then one must earn from one's peers the courtesy to be heard. For instance, if one only debates with ad hominems, straw man, and other logical fallacies, eventually their peers will not listen to them due to the vapidity of their arguments. Likewise, if all they respond with is invective, their peers will refuse to listen. Conversely if people respond with grace to their peers or with well formed arguments their peers are more than willing to (usually) grant them the courtesy to speak and be heard.

[charityagape]

Well, you've done that in quite a bit more than 100 posts, demeaning people who don't see it YOUR way with very high-sounding language which just barely passes the confines of the rules, but which in spirit is still negative, critical, condescending, and cutting.

You can sound like you're playing by the rules, but your heart is still in the wrong place when you pretend to know what others are thinking and what they mean. You've done this to me TWICE in no less than 24 hours.

:DYou know, I'm probably not being very respectful of you, but you're so off base you're out of the ballpark.

[JimfromOhio]

Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs. Of course, some people do not like other people's beliefs so there will be arguments rather than respecting debating. I will discuss my personal thoughts and feelings and trust that will respect my individuality and will do the same respect in turn. I just won't play their games of lowering myself to their level of arguing.

[msbojingles]

Oft times what works in theory does not work in practice, though it is still good to have the theory.

[charityagape]

Good post Synger. Lets say then one must earn from one's peers the courtesy to be heard. For instance, if one only debates with ad hominems, straw man, and other logical fallacies, eventually their peers will not listen to them due to the vapidity of their arguments. Likewise, if all they respond with is invective, their peers will refuse to listen. Conversely if people respond with grace to their peers or with well formed arguments their peers are more than willing to (usually) grant them the courtesy to speak and be heard.


Some good stuff here.

Vapidity. 1.lacking or having lost life, sharpness, or flavor; insipid; flat: vapid tea. 2.without liveliness or spirit; dull or tedious: a vapid party; vapid conversation.
invective.
1.vehement or violent denunciation, censure, or reproach. 2.a railing accusation; vituperation. 3.an insulting or abusive word or expression.

TWO words of the day in one post..................that's cool.

[BenAdam]

Some good stuff here.

Vapidity. 1.lacking or having lost life, sharpness, or flavor; insipid; flat: vapid tea. 2.without liveliness or spirit; dull or tedious: a vapid party; vapid conversation.
invective.
1.vehement or violent denunciation, censure, or reproach. 2.a railing accusation; vituperation. 3.an insulting or abusive word or expression.

TWO words of the day in one post..................that's cool.

I got more but I usually hold back :D

Just be glad I didn't use flacid.

[synger]

I got more but I usually hold back :D

Just be glad I didn't use flacid.

I think you mean flaccid? (It's one of those words, like vacuum and antarctic, that if you actually pronounce it correctly it's easier to spell: "flak-sid", "vak-yoo-um", "ant-ark-tik")

[msbojingles]

oh noes, the pedant club is coming right for us!!


(j/k)

[charityagape]

I think you mean flaccid? (It's one of those words, like vacuum and antarctic, that if you actually pronounce it correctly it's easier to spell: "flak-sid", "vak-yoo-um", "ant-ark-tik")

Learn something every day........I thought it was pronounced ..flass-sid.

[BenAdam]

I think you mean flaccid? (It's one of those words, like vacuum and antarctic, that if you actually pronounce it correctly it's easier to spell: "flak-sid", "vak-yoo-um", "ant-ark-tik")

yes you are correct I dropped the c. I usually spell check because my fingers get ahead of my brain. :)

[freedomnchrist]

"All we need is love....dah....dah...da...da...da...dahh.....All we need is love...."

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Hmmm yeah I know..............that's what I was saying.
OK maybe it misunderstood your post then, sorry. It heard you to be speaking as if respect and agreement equated with one another, because the OP asked specifically whether respect could only be had BY agreeing with someone else, and you responded to Moriah's post with something that sounded like equating the two.

One can disagree respectfully and receive respect in response, but if one disagrees and performs disrespectful things toward the one they disagree with, they should not expect to be respected for that.

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I've been reported, and it's usually when I am being sarcastic or demeaning, especially when I'm just absolutely convinced that someone is totally wrong in their doctrine or understanding and that I just HAVE to correct them... :doh:
Yep, that tends to be what makes reports happen! :blush:

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: You sow respect to reap respect - :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Amen. :thumbsup:

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

http://www.electricsquirrel.com/images/ninja_squirrel.jpg

kawaaaiiii!!! *steals pic*

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

:thumbsup: hey,dont worry,it is campaign fodder for repubs in the fall!
Yeah, seeing as they've been flinging mud and monkey poop all year and nothing has stuck yet.... keep trying, muckrakers!! They only make themselves look foolish!!!

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Squirrels say Gopher's got wrong doctrine.

Muahhhaaaaaaa!!!!!!:sorry:^_^

:amen: :thumbsup:

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Well, look at all Jesus did, and the Bible says he was despised and rejected.

Doesn't sound like respect was given to him in my opinion.

So, respect has to be EARNED, huh?

As I said, a lie of the devil.

Could you explain how behaving disrespectfully deserves to be met with respect? Or why it would be a lie of the devil to say it does not?

[Man of Humility]

I believe this to be a rhetorical question. :scratch:

I would say the answer is yes and no

No in the real world and yes on CF

[BenAdam]

Hi MoH :wave:

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

.... demeaning people who don't see it YOUR way with very high-sounding language which just barely passes the confines of the rules, but which in spirit is still negative, critical, condescending, and cutting.
You have a point. While it did not see him specifically as doing that (sorry), it has seen that kind of thing being done here before, ppls flying under the radar, pushing buttons with subtle bait/flames and getting away with it while the victim gets penalized for reacting. Just like rotten little kids in grade school who learned to fake "good" behavior for the adults but when the adults' backs got turned did nothing but torment and abuse their peers.

[razzelflabben]

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported? on the forum, Yes. In the body of Christ, NO![/quote]

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.[/quote]

[probinson]

Well, you've done that in quite a bit more than 100 posts, demeaning people who don't see it YOUR way with very high-sounding language which just barely passes the confines of the rules, but which in spirit is still negative, critical, condescending, and cutting.

You can sound like you're playing by the rules, but your heart is still in the wrong place when you pretend to know what others are thinking and what they mean. You've done this to me TWICE in no less than 24 hours.
You seem to think you know an awful lot about me for someone who has only 85 posts...

How is this? ;)

[probinson]

"respect must be earned" is one of those things that we might wish were true, but in reality it just doesn't work out that way. I think it really hinges on the definition of the word. There is the "respect" that one gives someone who you admire, and there is the "respect" you give to someone who is in authority over you.

There are a lot of people I don't particularly admire, but whom I treat with respect due to their relationship to me, authority over aspects of my life, or power. I would not have chosen my sister as a friend, for instance, but I respect her as my sister. I don't particularly care for my supervisor, nor admire her very much at all. But I respect her right to oversee my work and her authority over the workplace.

I would be remiss as a mother to allow my daughter to show respect only to those who she thinks have earned it or deserve it. She really struggled with her teacher this past year, and I'm glad she'll have a different one next year. But she still was required to show the proper respect.


There are times I don't particularly respect my husband for his choices or his opinions... but he is my husband, and I respect the relationship we have.

I think it comes down to a lot of things, one of which is that God loves this person (whomever we're talking about), and that even if I don't admire them, I can try to respect God's love of them, and treat them accordingly.
This is a good point.

There are definitely those that we are to show respect to, even if they haven't "earned" it, and your post highlights some great examples.

Generally speaking though, I would say that most people here on this forum tend to respect those who demonstrate respect for others.

[BenAdam]

You seem to think you know an awful lot about me for someone who has only 85 posts...

How is this? ;)

sockmonkey told him?

[Alpine]

In my short little time here in this life and from what I have learned from my few experiences and from old-time Christians in my life who many have passed away is...

1. Don't take yourself too seriously
2. Don't be too hard on yourself
3. God is Love which means the most important thing is to love people
4. You must constantly be on the look out for the elite ninja squirrel posse


Hmm! you look like mod material!! :P:D

[razzelflabben]

Here's the thing to keep in mind. When people argue over things that they are emotional about, it tends to get out of hand real quick. If on the other hand, people argue logically, with evidence, there can be civil debates with respect. I have said some things on the forum that should have been amened, they were straight out of scripture. But instead, I was raked over the coals so to speak and called all kinds of nasty things. Now if I personally say something that is out of line, I would expect to be taken down for it, but to beat me to a pulp for something God said, that is when you know that the argument was one of emotional beliefism and not one of respectful debate, or desire to know truth. I think the best thing to do is learn to weigh everything carefully, and with prayer. Take what is yours to take, discard what is not yours to take, and grieve for those who attack our Lord and King without cause, only emotional selfish, evil, fleshly desires.

[jeolmstead]

Some questions can’t be answered “yes or no”

For example:

…..Answer yes or no, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”


I do not have to agree with you to respect you. You are made in the image of God. That in it’s self is enough reason to respect you.

Nor, do I have to accept another man’s twisted judgment of me because he thinks I’m not respecting him, when the truth is, I just don’t agree with him.

Even a rattlesnake can be respected for what it is. You just don’t need to invite it into your bed roll. (It's an issue of wisdom, not respect)

John O.

[Man of Humility]

Hi MoH :wave:

Whats up BA ??

[GodsGlory]

Generally speaking though, I would say that most people here on this forum tend to respect those who demonstrate respect for others.

Uh, that would be false.

How many times have we seen a person get attacked and called names like "child of the devil" just because they voiced an opinion contrary to the majority's? Quit a bit, I assure you.

The "respect is earned" fallacy puts people under a bondage that they have to please [for example] Mr. X personally, when in fact if Mr. X doesn't like them [never will], then Mr. X will never give Mr. Y the respect that Mr. Y has "rightfully earned".

So, why am I going to waste my time trying to respect a disrespectful person who will NEVER give me respect anyway?

See, I've spent my whole life doing everything I could to please God and man, so I could earn their precious respect.

Here's a story ...

I grew up with ... "Ray", let's call him. I went to school with Ray from 3rd grade, all through school, finished high school, was in college with him for 3 years, then ten years with him in one church. Ray's parents, after 23 years of us being good friends [I introduced him to his wife, etc] decided for some weirdo reason to start showing their disrespect and displeasure toward me.

They wouldn't let me over to their house. His mom picked up once when I was leaving a message on the answering machine, and cut me off while I was talking, telling me not to ever call there again.

Ray couldn't figure it out. He called his parents "cowards" for not telling me what was on their minds, whatever it could have been.

So I went along, tried to be nice and respectful to his parents, who were like elders in the community, whose opinions we were supposed to respect, and whose standards we were supposed to live up to. So, I wrote a letter to his parents, apologizing nicely if I'd ever done anything to them, asking for their forgiveness, telling them that since they were ministers, if I'd ever done anything in the first place, how much should they as a mature man and woman forgive me by the grace God had given them.

Well, Ray's dad got prostate cancer, and was dying. He didn't have long to live when they finally decided they wanted to restore themselves to me. I went to a wedding that day, and Ray, his wife, and I were going to Hospice to see Ray's dad.

As soon as we arrived there, Hospice told us that Ray's dad had died [B]40 minutes before we got there.

I never got to be reconciled to Ray's dad.

At the funeral, which was widely attended, I read a tribute to Ray's dad, and his mom came up to me after the funeral and said, "We'll talk, okay?"

And she never talked to me after that.

I could go on with plenty of examples of how I have wasted my life trying to "earn" respect from those who will never give it to me to begin with. I can name you lots of people who have done this to me. And people ask me why I am so angry and bitter.

We all have people in our lives who will hold out on us, who don't like us, who think we're "not worthy".

They don't want to give us the promotion.
They don't want to give us the time of day.
They don't want to give us the car loan.
They don't want to give us the good grade in school.
They don't want to help us when we need it.

Pardon me for reacting so angrily and with such resistance.

I have learned through hard trial and affliction that "respect is earned" is a lie Satan uses to keep us on the treadmill of works to the point that we are unable to receive [or even to simply SEE] God's grace bestowed upon us.

Look at David.
His brothers and father put him in the back taking care of sheep.
They didn't call him up when the prophet looked for a king to anoint.
His wife called him out in front of people.
His king tried to kill him.
His children tried to overthrow his throne.

It doesn't matter what you do. If you have that curse on you, people will never respect you.

But I'm supposed to respect THEM.

[GodsGlory]

OK then.

Respect is a pretty simple thing. You show respect, from MOST people, you'll get respect.

You come into an established forum and start questioning the intelligence level of other posters within your first 100 posts? Probably shouldn't expect too much respect in return...

But it's okay for you to question the integrity and motives of other posters with lots more than 100 posts? Like you have the right to judge the character of another individual and question their character?

[probinson]

But it's okay for you to question the integrity and motives of other posters with lots more than 100 posts? Like you have the right to judge the character of another individual and question their character?

Where have I done this? Whose integrity have I questioned?

And why are you hiding behind a different screen name?

I have nothing to hide. I've had the same screen name for all 11,000+ posts I've made here.

My name is Pete Robinson, and I approve this message.

:cool:

[Man of Humility]

Where have I done this? Whose integrity have I questioned?

And why are you hiding behind a different screen name?

I have nothing to hide. I've had the same screen name for all 11,000+ posts I've made here.

My name is Pete Robinson, and I approve this message.

:cool:

Wow Pete, you have really ticked someone off. Not sure how, all of your posts that I have read have been very respectful and forthright. Maybe you should ask this person to ID the posts that they found offensive. Might be a case of mistaken identity. :confused: Might be a sock - have you ticked anyone else off cause that might be the real source.

[Man of Humility]

Uh, that would be false.

How many times have we seen a person get attacked and called names like "child of the devil" just because they voiced an opinion contrary to the majority's? Quit a bit, I assure you.

The "respect is earned" fallacy puts people under a bondage that they have to please [for example] Mr. X personally, when in fact if Mr. X doesn't like them [never will], then Mr. X will never give Mr. Y the respect that Mr. Y has "rightfully earned".

So, why am I going to waste my time trying to respect a disrespectful person who will NEVER give me respect anyway?

See, I've spent my whole life doing everything I could to please God and man, so I could earn their precious respect.

Here's a story ...

I grew up with ... "Ray", let's call him. I went to school with Ray from 3rd grade, all through school, finished high school, was in college with him for 3 years, then ten years with him in one church. Ray's parents, after 23 years of us being good friends [I introduced him to his wife, etc] decided for some weirdo reason to start showing their disrespect and displeasure toward me.

They wouldn't let me over to their house. His mom picked up once when I was leaving a message on the answering machine, and cut me off while I was talking, telling me not to ever call there again.

Ray couldn't figure it out. He called his parents "cowards" for not telling me what was on their minds, whatever it could have been.

So I went along, tried to be nice and respectful to his parents, who were like elders in the community, whose opinions we were supposed to respect, and whose standards we were supposed to live up to. So, I wrote a letter to his parents, apologizing nicely if I'd ever done anything to them, asking for their forgiveness, telling them that since they were ministers, if I'd ever done anything in the first place, how much should they as a mature man and woman forgive me by the grace God had given them.

Well, Ray's dad got prostate cancer, and was dying. He didn't have long to live when they finally decided they wanted to restore themselves to me. I went to a wedding that day, and Ray, his wife, and I were going to Hospice to see Ray's dad.

As soon as we arrived there, Hospice told us that Ray's dad had died [B]40 minutes before we got there.

I never got to be reconciled to Ray's dad.

At the funeral, which was widely attended, I read a tribute to Ray's dad, and his mom came up to me after the funeral and said, "We'll talk, okay?"

And she never talked to me after that.

I could go on with plenty of examples of how I have wasted my life trying to "earn" respect from those who will never give it to me to begin with. I can name you lots of people who have done this to me. And people ask me why I am so angry and bitter.

We all have people in our lives who will hold out on us, who don't like us, who think we're "not worthy".

They don't want to give us the promotion.
They don't want to give us the time of day.
They don't want to give us the car loan.
They don't want to give us the good grade in school.
They don't want to help us when we need it.

Pardon me for reacting so angrily and with such resistance.

I have learned through hard trial and affliction that "respect is earned" is a lie Satan uses to keep us on the treadmill of works to the point that we are unable to receive [or even to simply SEE] God's grace bestowed upon us.

Look at David.
His brothers and father put him in the back taking care of sheep.
They didn't call him up when the prophet looked for a king to anoint.
His wife called him out in front of people.
His king tried to kill him.
His children tried to overthrow his throne.

It doesn't matter what you do. If you have that curse on you, people will never respect you.

But I'm supposed to respect THEM.

You do seem to have alot of anger here and all that came to mind for me was consider the afflictions that Jesus suffered and cast not your pearls before swine.

If these people that you speak of are such a stumbling block then you must spend some time on your knees with your face in the dirt seeking God's guidance and healing over this matter. Let God deal with this for you, check out Psalms, David wrote a ton of prayers against his enemies and they can bring you great relief if you allow God to seat them in your heart. My prayers are with you.

[~RENEE~]

This is the internet. No one here knows you. They way it goes is. Respect others they will respect you.

[Tsadde]

Uh, that would be false.

How many times have we seen a person get attacked and called names like "child of the devil" just because they voiced an opinion contrary to the majority's? Quit a bit, I assure you.

The "respect is earned" fallacy puts people under a bondage that they have to please [for example] Mr. X personally, when in fact if Mr. X doesn't like them [never will], then Mr. X will never give Mr. Y the respect that Mr. Y has "rightfully earned".

So, why am I going to waste my time trying to respect a disrespectful person who will NEVER give me respect anyway?

See, I've spent my whole life doing everything I could to please God and man, so I could earn their precious respect.

Here's a story ...

I grew up with ... "Ray", let's call him. I went to school with Ray from 3rd grade, all through school, finished high school, was in college with him for 3 years, then ten years with him in one church. Ray's parents, after 23 years of us being good friends [I introduced him to his wife, etc] decided for some weirdo reason to start showing their disrespect and displeasure toward me.

They wouldn't let me over to their house. His mom picked up once when I was leaving a message on the answering machine, and cut me off while I was talking, telling me not to ever call there again.

Ray couldn't figure it out. He called his parents "cowards" for not telling me what was on their minds, whatever it could have been.

So I went along, tried to be nice and respectful to his parents, who were like elders in the community, whose opinions we were supposed to respect, and whose standards we were supposed to live up to. So, I wrote a letter to his parents, apologizing nicely if I'd ever done anything to them, asking for their forgiveness, telling them that since they were ministers, if I'd ever done anything in the first place, how much should they as a mature man and woman forgive me by the grace God had given them.

Well, Ray's dad got prostate cancer, and was dying. He didn't have long to live when they finally decided they wanted to restore themselves to me. I went to a wedding that day, and Ray, his wife, and I were going to Hospice to see Ray's dad.

As soon as we arrived there, Hospice told us that Ray's dad had died [B]40 minutes before we got there.

I never got to be reconciled to Ray's dad.

At the funeral, which was widely attended, I read a tribute to Ray's dad, and his mom came up to me after the funeral and said, "We'll talk, okay?"

And she never talked to me after that.

I could go on with plenty of examples of how I have wasted my life trying to "earn" respect from those who will never give it to me to begin with. I can name you lots of people who have done this to me. And people ask me why I am so angry and bitter.

We all have people in our lives who will hold out on us, who don't like us, who think we're "not worthy".

They don't want to give us the promotion.
They don't want to give us the time of day.
They don't want to give us the car loan.
They don't want to give us the good grade in school.
They don't want to help us when we need it.

Pardon me for reacting so angrily and with such resistance.

I have learned through hard trial and affliction that "respect is earned" is a lie Satan uses to keep us on the treadmill of works to the point that we are unable to receive [or even to simply SEE] God's grace bestowed upon us.

Look at David.
His brothers and father put him in the back taking care of sheep.
They didn't call him up when the prophet looked for a king to anoint.
His wife called him out in front of people.
His king tried to kill him.
His children tried to overthrow his throne.

It doesn't matter what you do. If you have that curse on you, people will never respect you.

But I'm supposed to respect THEM.

Ow.
Such pain. I'm sorry you have been so hurt.

GG, Jesus respects you. When you get to the place where you can feel that deep inside, disrespectful treatment from others still hurts but it doesn't threaten to undo you.

Jesus respects you and loves you just the way you are right now. You don't have to do a thing to earn it. Let Him love you, GG. Let Him love you the way you were meant to be loved. Let God the Father be the perfect Dad. Show Him where it hurts and let Him bind up your wounds and just hold you close to his heart.

[charityagape]

So, why am I going to waste my time trying to respect a disrespectful person who will NEVER give me respect anyway?

SO you AGREE that you're not going to give respect to someone who (you think) does not respect you?

[GodsGlory]

SO you AGREE that you're not going to give respect to someone who (you think) does not respect you?

I'm taking the phrase "respect is earned" and I'm turning it around on the people who refuse to respect others. The highway runs two ways, and if they want to be judged by the standard "respect is earned", they've disqualified themselves by their own rule.

If they wish to live by the Law, then they've put themselves into quite a corner.

But if they want to play by the rules of grace and mercy, then maybe they can receive respect they themselves are unwilling to give.

I'm saying that respect is not earned; it is given.

John chapter 1 says, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

Basically, Jesus gave them respect even though they weren't willing to give it to him.

[pinetree]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/speedrender93/airsoft_guns/wa-meu-pistol-early-model-l.jpg
this is respect sometimes in the real world!;):D:thumbsup:

[GodsGlory]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/speedrender93/airsoft_guns/wa-meu-pistol-early-model-l.jpg
this is respect sometimes in the real world!;):D:thumbsup:

Just don't "go postal in the Spirit", as the Charismatics like to put it.

[razzelflabben]

Uh, that would be false.

How many times have we seen a person get attacked and called names like "child of the devil" just because they voiced an opinion contrary to the majority's? Quit a bit, I assure you.

The "respect is earned" fallacy puts people under a bondage that they have to please [for example] Mr. X personally, when in fact if Mr. X doesn't like them [never will], then Mr. X will never give Mr. Y the respect that Mr. Y has "rightfully earned".

So, why am I going to waste my time trying to respect a disrespectful person who will NEVER give me respect anyway?

See, I've spent my whole life doing everything I could to please God and man, so I could earn their precious respect.

Here's a story ...

I grew up with ... "Ray", let's call him. I went to school with Ray from 3rd grade, all through school, finished high school, was in college with him for 3 years, then ten years with him in one church. Ray's parents, after 23 years of us being good friends [I introduced him to his wife, etc] decided for some weirdo reason to start showing their disrespect and displeasure toward me.

They wouldn't let me over to their house. His mom picked up once when I was leaving a message on the answering machine, and cut me off while I was talking, telling me not to ever call there again.

Ray couldn't figure it out. He called his parents "cowards" for not telling me what was on their minds, whatever it could have been.

So I went along, tried to be nice and respectful to his parents, who were like elders in the community, whose opinions we were supposed to respect, and whose standards we were supposed to live up to. So, I wrote a letter to his parents, apologizing nicely if I'd ever done anything to them, asking for their forgiveness, telling them that since they were ministers, if I'd ever done anything in the first place, how much should they as a mature man and woman forgive me by the grace God had given them.

Well, Ray's dad got prostate cancer, and was dying. He didn't have long to live when they finally decided they wanted to restore themselves to me. I went to a wedding that day, and Ray, his wife, and I were going to Hospice to see Ray's dad.

As soon as we arrived there, Hospice told us that Ray's dad had died [B]40 minutes before we got there.

I never got to be reconciled to Ray's dad.

At the funeral, which was widely attended, I read a tribute to Ray's dad, and his mom came up to me after the funeral and said, "We'll talk, okay?"

And she never talked to me after that.

I could go on with plenty of examples of how I have wasted my life trying to "earn" respect from those who will never give it to me to begin with. I can name you lots of people who have done this to me. And people ask me why I am so angry and bitter.

We all have people in our lives who will hold out on us, who don't like us, who think we're "not worthy".

They don't want to give us the promotion.
They don't want to give us the time of day.
They don't want to give us the car loan.
They don't want to give us the good grade in school.
They don't want to help us when we need it.

Pardon me for reacting so angrily and with such resistance.

I have learned through hard trial and affliction that "respect is earned" is a lie Satan uses to keep us on the treadmill of works to the point that we are unable to receive [or even to simply SEE] God's grace bestowed upon us.

Look at David.
His brothers and father put him in the back taking care of sheep.
They didn't call him up when the prophet looked for a king to anoint.
His wife called him out in front of people.
His king tried to kill him.
His children tried to overthrow his throne.

It doesn't matter what you do. If you have that curse on you, people will never respect you.

But I'm supposed to respect THEM.Can I tell you a story?

Many years ago, I read the passage in the bible that says people will hate us because they hated God first. That day I did something really stupid, I prayed that God would be so alive in me that the world would hate me like they hated God, because they see him in me.

Now fast forward a bit and I am trying to make this short because we need to leave for a ball game.

I have been hated my many people (loved my many as well) We have been run out of churches for saying that God wants us to love everyone, including our enemies. I have a family member that hates me so much that she won't talk to me. One day, her husband came and talked to me and told me not to take any of it on myself and to stop trying to reconcile because it wasn't going to happen. The problem is a spiritual one that she alone has to deal with. That she doesn't even know what she is so upset about.

Your right about people who don't want to respect you won't. In addition, on something like the forum, there are times and people who will label you no matter what you say, as someone they disagree with and therefore you can do nothing right nor say anything right.

Sometimes it is so bad that another family member asked me what I thought of his choice for new kitchen cupboards. I told him I thought it was a good choice, that I liked it, he tried to start a fight with me over agreeing with him. Point is, you can't please everyone, and the bible tells us that the world is going to hate us. My advice from someone there and still there, aim to please God and don't worry about anyone else. And btw, it's easier to please God then you might think, but it does take courage.

[pinetree]

Just don't "go postal in the Spirit", as the Charismatics like to put it.
hey,at least they will listen...:D:D

[PETE_]

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[NewSong]

Maybe you got reported for a respect issue for another thread?

[charityagape]

Basically, Jesus gave them respect even though they weren't willing to give it to him.


But you're not willing to do the same thing?

[Elijah2]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/speedrender93/airsoft_guns/wa-meu-pistol-early-model-l.jpg
this is respect sometimes in the real world!;):D:thumbsup:

You want to make sure it's loaded first, safety catch is off, and cocked, which this one isn't.;):D:thumbsup:

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[charityagape]

You want to make sure it's loaded first, safety catch is off, and cocked, which this one isn't.;):D:thumbsup:

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

:D It's scary that you know so much about guns.

[Elijah2]

:D It's scary that you know so much about guns.

Not scary to me, had more pointed at me than me pointing them at them.;)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[seekthetruth909]

Do I have to share the opinion of another person to get respect and to avoid getting reported?

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. [Editorializing unnecessary]

Just a yes or a no.

Hello GodsGlory.I appreciate your input and thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. The answer to your question is no. I am sorry if some people have reported you for expressing your opinion. We should always respect one another even in disagreement.

The whole point of debating here is to help each other see different points of view and to examine our own beliefs so we can grow as Christians. It should not be to boost our ego's and pride to feel good about our selves because we think of a good comeback reply to knock our fellow Christians down, and if we fail in this, then to report them.

I read somewhere that most people become entrenched in their opinions by the time they reach thirty years old. After that we become stubborn and closed minded.But if the Holy Spirit is active in our lives, this should not be the case.The Spirit will convict us to change our views over time and grow as Christians.The irony of this P/C forum is that during debate we see very little of fruits of the Spirit being displayed.Any one visiting from another denomination and reading many posts may conclude that the core beliefs of P/C are false by observing our behavior towards each other in this forum.

How can the gifts of the Spirit be active today if the fruits are absent? We claim the gift of tongues and other gifts, but if we do not displaylove, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,and self-control (Galatians 5:22) towards each other, then we have failed, and non P/C's will have a good reason to reject our core beliefs because by our actions, we are implying that the Holy Spirit has no power over our lives.

When I first came to this website three years ago I went to many forums of different denominations and while visiting the Eastern Orthodox forum, I observed the respect they had towards each other, even when in disagreement. They also had a willingness to examine their beliefs, leave behind their pride, and grow in the Spirit. Why can't we do the same here? If we can't display the fruits of patience,love,kindness, and gentleness, and respect towards each other, then the Spirit is lacking in our lives, which means all our posts here became meaningless rambles of prideful men and woman full of errors, and bad judgement.

[I apologize for editorializing]


"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." (Galatians 5:22)