Did Christ spiritually die on the cross ??

[millerrod]

Did Christ spiritually die on the cross or was it just his flesh and blood that was sacrificed on the cross ??

[Alpine]

Jesus died on the cross and rose again 3 days later. That's what scripture says anyway. :-)

[MrSnow]

I would have to ask what exactly is meant by "died spiritually". I tend to say "no" to that question, but I'd have to know exactly what is being asked.

[millerrod]

Does any man or womens spirit ever cease to exist ?? I say no a persons spirit is either eternally in hell or eternally in heaven. No ones spirit can die.--cease to exist. Asleep maybe but not dead as in ceasing to exist

Could Christ have spiritually died, could His Spirit ceased to exist for even a moment ?? I say NO not even for a moment !!

Why do i ask this and why is it important because it effects our thinking on the diety of Christ. If we think Christ Spirit could have somehow died -ceased to exist then how can we say we believe in the Trinity how can we be in agreement with John 1 Christs spirit is without beginning or end at now time could have Christs Spirit ceased to exist.

[JudyB1169]

No. Whether one is in Hell or Heaven, the spirit does not die. Christ experienced BOTH for our sakes. Praise Him forever!!

[charityagape]

Does any man or womens spirit ever cease to exist ?? I say no a persons spirit is either eternally in hell or eternally in heaven. No ones spirit can die.--cease to exist. Asleep maybe but not dead as in ceasing to exist

Could Christ have spiritually died, could His Spirit ceased to exist for even a moment ?? I say NO not even for a moment !!

Why do i ask this and why is it important because it effects our thinking on the diety of Christ. If we think Christ Spirit could have somehow died -ceased to exist then how can we say we believe in the Trinity how can we be in agreement with John 1 Christs spirit is without beginning or end at now time could have Christs Spirit ceased to exist.

Does ANYONE think that Christ's spirit ceased to exist?

[Elijah2]

Rod, when He died, He died as a human being. When we die, our spirit comes out of our body and goes to heaven. When our Lord Jesus Christ died, He said, "It's finished!"

“So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.” (John 19:30)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[LeadWorship]

IMO, Rod, you have totally messed this up. In your zeal to stir up an arguement you haven't even understood what the "other" side is saying. Not once has anyone said, that I'm aware of, that in reference to "Jesus dying spiritually" that his spirit ceased to exist. Rather they have extensively stated that death = separation from God.

I personally don't know, and don't care to get into it. My Salvation doesn't hinge on it, so why bother with it. It won't grow me spiritually, and it won't allow me to further the Kindgom right now, so what's the point? However, please do some research before you make a debatable stance, so it doesn't make you look like you are just out to start a fight.

[Optimax]

Death as defined by the Bible is different from death as defined by Webster.

Webster death is "cessation of life".

The word death in the Bible is more easily understood as "separation".

Remember when God told Adam that in the day he ate of the forbidden tree that he would die.

Adam did not "die" that day, he lived to the ripe old age of 930 years.

So either God lied or there is something going on that is not readily seen.

To make this shorter we will leave out a lot of detail.

The day Adam ate of the forbidden tree he and Eve became separated from God.

That is what is called by many to be spiritual death, separation from God.

On the Cross Jesus cried out "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me.

When Jesus was made to be sin for us, He died Spiritually, was separated from God.

Three deaths in the Bible.

Spiritual Death = separation from God.

Physical Death = separation of spirit and soul from the physical body.

Second Death = Eternal separation from God.

Yes, Jesus died spiritually or was separated from God for three days and nights and then He became the first begotten from the dead.

[JimfromOhio]

When Peter said that Christ "bore our sins" , he meant that Christ bore the penalty for our sins. He endured physical and spiritual death. When Jesus cried out on the cross, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" (Matt. 27:46), His was the cry of spiritual death. That was the penalty for bearing our sins.

To really understand why and how Jesus died for us. The spiritual and eternal death can be reversed by faith in Jesus Christ. Christ had to die my death for me and not only a physical death, He died a spiritual death, too, because He said on the cross, “My God, my God, why hast thou Forsaken me."

Spiritual death is usually defined as separation from God. In that sense, I would say, yes, Christ did die spiritually. Spiritual death is alienation from God, and Jesus articulated that when He said, “My God, my God, why have You forsaken Me?” Paul wrote, “Being made sin for us” the separation occurred. Jesus Himself never became a sinner. He was made sin, in the sense that all of our sin was placed upon Him, but He Himself was not culpable, so that His death was a voluntary substitutionary death and not one for His own iniquity. We cannot dispute the reality that Christ was made sin, and in being completely covered with sin, He was alienated from God, which is the essence of what spiritual death is.

[PETE_]

I get hung up here

To be separated from God, Jesus would have to not be God at some point

Maybe the terminology is getting in the way

[didaskalos]

Did Christ spiritually die on the cross or was it just his flesh and blood that was sacrificed on the cross ??
Hi Rod...
I am not sure the phrase "died spiritually" correctly states the event.
I just say what the scripture says.

2 Corin 5
21 (http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/5-21.htm) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

A more complete description of the events can be found in Ephesians 2.

Eph 2:
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It is pretty clear from this that we were "dead in sins" and were "by nature the children of wrath." Christ died and we were "quickened together" from that sin-death with Him. You cannot be "quickened together" with someone unless He is there with you in that same state of sin-death. It does not say that he was quickened with us, it says we were quickened with him. He was the primary one being raised up from sin-death, and we just came along for the ride.

[didaskalos]

Does any man or womens spirit ever cease to exist ?? I say no a persons spirit is either eternally in hell or eternally in heaven. No ones spirit can die.--cease to exist. Asleep maybe but not dead as in ceasing to exist

Could Christ have spiritually died, could His Spirit ceased to exist for even a moment ?? I say NO not even for a moment !!

Why do i ask this and why is it important because it effects our thinking on the diety of Christ. If we think Christ Spirit could have somehow died -ceased to exist then how can we say we believe in the Trinity how can we be in agreement with John 1 Christs spirit is without beginning or end at now time could have Christs Spirit ceased to exist.

Does death mean "cease to exist."
When a body dies, it does not cease to exist. The body is still there... conservation of matter and all.

When a spirit dies, it does not "cease to exist" either. That is not what death means.

1. Death means a loss of consciousness of the realm the dead things exists in. Some ancient cultures thought sleep was a form of death because during sleep you lose consciousness of the world around you.
2. When a body dies.. it becomes corrupt. It rots, becomes putrid,
and reverts back to dirt. But it never really "ceases to exist."

These two things also occur when a spirit dies. It ceases to have consciousness with the spirit realm (with God), and it become corrupt. We translate "corrupt" as having sin and out of touch with God, hence "dead in sin."

Your mention of the trinity and the deity of Christ is a common objection that really turns in upon itself.

The trinity as presented by most people said to be a "mystery." So do we really know what a member of the trinity can and cannot do? It is self defeating argument to say that the God cannot do something. I suggest that if the almighty God of heaven who created all things and with whom nothing is impossible CAN in fact be made sin if He chooses to. Do we possess sufficient information about Him and His nature to authoritatively state what He can and cannot do? If the word says He was made sin for us, and if it says He was raised up from that same sin-death(and us with Him), then who are we to say He cannot do these things? Especially in view of our our admitted lack of knowledge regarding the "mystery of the trinity."

Peace

[victoryword]

Jesus Himself said that God had forsaken Him (see Mat. 27:43). If Jesus did not mean what he said then He either lied, which would disaqualify Him from being our Savior, or He lost His faith at a crucial time which lead Him to falsely accusing the father of doing something He did not do, again disqualifying Him. The only sensible thing to do is believe the Scripture is true and that Jesus meant what he said and that it was recorded by the Holy Spirit for a specific purpose.

Yet some say that if Jesus was truly separated from God then jesus ceased to be God. You can draw your own conclusions but I say that if he lied or he lacked faith then he ceased to be a qualified Savior. Furthermore no one can refute the plain statement of Jesus. They can only come up with philosophical conundrums to argue against the JDS teaching (or build false strawmen such as claiming that people teach that Jesus spirit ceased to exist). Syllogistic log is not a substitute for a Scriptural rebuttal.

What mazes me the most is that, before the Word-Faith controversy of the last two decades, this was a commonly accepted teaching within the church:
http://www.victoryword.100megspop2.com/tenrsn/jds/append_a.html

[JimfromOhio]

I could not respond while I was out since I was in the process of moving into a house that we just bought. I decided to let this and other threads go because it is now in God's hands to direct our minds and hearts to go to the right path of doctrinal beliefs.

However, I will come back to this particular issue in near future. Doctrinal beliefs are always an issue for many of us and sorting out what to believe in this deceiving world will always be with us as long as we are relying on our flesh more than being spirit-filled. ;)

[BenAdam]

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