Is Todd Bently's revival a donkey show or is it from God ??

[millerrod]

Is the revival in Florida from God or is it just a donkey show ??

[BenAdam]

define donkey show

[millerrod]

We used to have donkeys on the farm they would sometimes look at you do some jumping do a few turns braw real loud and do some other strange thing for no apperant reason they just liked an audience and to be the center of attention. so i guess what i mean is he seeking to be the center of attention is he just putting on a show so people will watch him and be attracted to him or is he just serving God. Just asking for peoples thoughts. Its been debated to death i would just like to know what peoples conclusions are now after all the evidence is in,is it a donkey show or is it just a man serving God ??

[charityagape]

Someone could do a poll that would be interesting.

[siege]

Matthew:
10:11 `And into whatever city or village ye may enter, inquire ye who in it is worthy, and there abide, till ye may go forth.

10:12 And coming to the house salute it,

10:13 and if indeed the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it; and if it be not worthy, let your peace turn back to you.

10:14 `And whoever may not receive you nor hear your words, coming forth from that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet

Personally...its a donkey show. However, what is and is not the truth cannot be shoved down another's throat. We cannot force others to see what we see. All we can...and should...do is present the truth as it is shown to us and allow others to accept or reject the message that has been given.

The message about Bentley has been delivered...some of it properly, much of it not so properly...It is beyond time to allow those who have received it to accept or reject as they see fit and "shake the dust from our feet" and move on.

[importunity]

I believe it is a real move of God, but God uses donkeys too. I see He uses a lot of them.

[CindyisHis]

I think it is a real move of God too, though the guy is flawed. But isn't that the wonderful thing about God? He uses us even if we don't do everything right! He's looking for availability, for willingness. I think it is better to step out and make a mistake than to not do anything at all. God is leading all of us to do something that is beyond us. Todd obeyed.

[Elijah2]

Someone could do a poll that would be interesting.

Why, there is enough polls on the Web "for and against" explaining their perception and discernment of TBs angelogy and teaching. Just read what has been put there by concerned believers of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If you want to see if Christians do follow angels and not our Lord Jesus Christ, then put it on.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[~RENEE~]

I think it is a real move of God too, though the guy is flawed. But isn't that the wonderful thing about God? He uses us even if we don't do everything right! He's looking for availability, for willingness. I think it is better to step out and make a mistake than to not do anything at all. God is leading all of us to do something that is beyond us. Todd obeyed.
I've got it on right now. And I am hearing God Jesus and the Holy Spirit preached.

[Elijah2]

I think it is a real move of God too, though the guy is flawed. But isn't that the wonderful thing about God? He uses us even if we don't do everything right! He's looking for availability, for willingness. I think it is better to step out and make a mistake than to not do anything at all. God is leading all of us to do something that is beyond us. Todd obeyed.

My dear, you have a strange interpretation of what a real move of God is. Doing things wrong and right are well documented in His Word. I didn't find any verse in His Word that says that HE is looking for "availability"?

Your touch with reality in stepping out in "MISTAKE" isn't the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who told you that?

So Todd was told to forget the stuff about our Lord Jesus Christ, because we know about HIM, and that God told Todd to concentrate on angels and the supernatural. And that our God told him to fill everyone up with Todd's angels?

My dear sister, that's new age and the occult.

Always remember that when people us the word God they could talking about, the big "G" or the little "g".

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[GlendaJoanne]

My dear, you have a strange interpretation of what a real move of God is. Doing things wrong and right are well documented in His Word. I didn't find any verse in His Word that says that HE is looking for "availability"?

Your touch with reality in stepping out in "MISTAKE" isn't the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who told you that?

So Todd was told to forget the stuff about our Lord Jesus Christ, because we know about HIM, and that God told Todd to concentrate on angels and the supernatural. And that our God told him to fill everyone up with Todd's angels?

My dear sister, that's new age and the occult.

Always remember that when people us the word God they could talking about, the big "G" or the little "g".

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

My dear brother in Christ..

Perhaps, you could make a more informed statement on what was happening in Lakeland if you watched a few of the services..

Be blessed in Jesus' Name..

[LeadWorship]

Rod....

Balaam had a donkey show... it showed him he better see the angel before him, sent by God, blocking his path.

Howdy Importunity! Good to see you brother!

[LeadWorship]

I believe it is a real move of God, but God uses donkeys too. I see He uses a lot of them.

:thumbsup: :amen:

[millerrod]

Rod....

Balaam had a donkey show... it showed him he better see the angel before him, sent by God, blocking his path.

Howdy Importunity! Good to see you brother!

......................

[LeadWorship]

......................

?? :confused: ??

[probinson]

My dear brother in Christ..

Perhaps, you could make a more informed statement on what was happening in Lakeland if you watched a few of the services..
What a CRAZY thought! ;)

[Jimbeaux]

It’s just a feeling, but I think Lakeland/Todd Bentley will fade away quicker than Brownsville or Toronto.

~Jim
I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.

[probinson]

If you want to see if Christians do follow angels and not our Lord Jesus Christ, then put it on.
That's darn good advice. Put it on.

Have you followed your own advice? I mean, have you watched any of this at ALL, or are you just gullibly swallowing up the stuff on the internet? I'm curious, because your posts about "Just Google it" and "look at all the websites" make me think of this;

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/truth.jpg

Perhaps you're not aware, but any yahoo can create a website pretty easily these days. There are plenty of free blogging programs out there that will make you a web publisher in just minutes.

Just because you read it on the internet doesn't mean it's true. :cool:

[Jimbeaux]

I would hate to have this attitude on a jury. Evidence would mean nothing—even video taped evidence of incriminating statements. What matters is if you happen like the guy, even though you have never met him, and he sends of good vibes and agrees with a lot of what you believe, so he must be innocent of everything and anything and you, for one, are not going to investigate it further. It’s just easier to accept it than to investigate it, I guess. Even though you have been told to “prove all things”.

But you do have nice charts, Pete. :thumbsup:

~Jim

I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.

[probinson]

I would hate to have this attitude on a jury. Evidence would mean nothing—even video taped evidence of incriminating statements. What matters is if you happen like the guy, even though you have never met him, and he sends of good vibes and agrees with a lot of what you believe, so he must be innocent of everything and anything and you, for one, are not going to investigate it further. It’s just easier to accept it than to investigate it, I guess. Even though you have been told to “prove all things”.

But you do have nice charts, Pete. :thumbsup:

Likewise, I would hate to have the attitude on a jury that it's OK to only examine one side of the evidence, which is what nearly EVERYONE (except of course me :P) is doing.

[Jimbeaux]

Likewise, I would hate to have the attitude on a jury that it's OK to only examine one side of the evidence, which is what nearly EVERYONE (except of course me :P) is doing.
^_^

Who says I/we are examining only “one side” of an issue? That is sort of a one-sided opinion, Pete. :)

~Jim
I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.

[~RENEE~]

^_^

Who says I/we are examining only “one side” of an issue? That is sort of a one-sided opinion, Pete. :)

~Jim

I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.


In another thread here bout this same person. One sees where there are some only looking at one side of the coin.

[Jimbeaux]

In another thread here bout this same person. One sees where there are some only looking at one side of the coin.

Can’t speak for everybody, but I am looking at both sides of the issue. I hope the Lakeland thing is a genuine “move of God” (as we like to say), but I am reserving judgment until it pans out.

But I have to admit, from all I have heard and read, (apart from the TB press releases, of course) it does not look good.

But time will tell.

~Jim
I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.

[CindyisHis]

My dear, you have a strange interpretation of what a real move of God is. Doing things wrong and right are well documented in His Word. I didn't find any verse in His Word that says that HE is looking for "availability"?

Your touch with reality in stepping out in "MISTAKE" isn't the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who told you that?

So Todd was told to forget the stuff about our Lord Jesus Christ, because we know about HIM, and that God told Todd to concentrate on angels and the supernatural. And that our God told him to fill everyone up with Todd's angels?

My dear sister, that's new age and the occult.

Always remember that when people us the word God they could talking about, the big "G" or the little "g".

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
Moses is an example of one used mightily by God, yet he was imperfect. Hmmm, come to think of it every human has been! ^_^

That's all I'm trying to say.

As for "availability" verses "ability", again, we don't have to go beyond Moses. He felt he was inadequate for the job. He thought Aaron could speak better and the Lord should send Him. Yet, he was willing and went, albeit Aaron with him. So that is what I am talking about.

The Lord is looking people who will say "yes" to Him in obedience. And I agree, things should be perfectly lined up with the Word of God.

You're not kidding when you say people have different interpretations of "god". That is nothing new. I'm aware of the new-age movement too. However, the name of Jesus - the Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, Who is the only way to the Father - draws the line. It becomes evident who is His and who is not.

[BenAdam]

Moses is an example of one used mightily by God, yet he was imperfect. Hmmm, come to think of it every human has been! ^_^

That's all I'm trying to say.

As for "availability" verses "ability", again, we don't have to go beyond Moses. He felt he was inadequate for the job. He thought Aaron could speak better and the Lord should send Him. Yet, he was willing and went, albeit Aaron with him. So that is what I am talking about.

The Lord is looking people who will say "yes" to Him in obedience. And I agree, things should be perfectly lined up with the Word of God.

You're not kidding when you say people have different interpretations of "god". That is nothing new. I'm aware of the new-age movement too. However, the name of Jesus - the Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, Who is the only way to the Father - draws the line. It becomes evident who is His and who is not.

There is a distinct difference between being an imperfect vessel (which we all are) and being sloppy or reckless with the truth.

[Jimbeaux]

There is a distinct difference between being an imperfect vessel (which we all are) and being sloppy or reckless with the truth.

AHA!! Good point, BA.

~Jim
I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.

[BenAdam]

AHA!! Good point, BA.

~Jim

I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.



you know what they say about blind squirrels :)

[charityagape]

you know what they say about blind squirrels :)

They're always falling off the branches?

[BenAdam]

They're always falling off the branches?

:D

[Jimbeaux]

you know what they say about blind squirrels :)

Sure.

Um, what do they say about blind squirrels?

~Jim
I would rather defend to the death your right to say stupid stuff than to have to listen to it.

[BenAdam]

even they find a nut every once in awhile

[charityagape]

you know what they say about blind squirrels :)


They make great catnip? They have itty, bitty white canes? They wear dark barbie glasses?

[CindyisHis]

There is a distinct difference between being an imperfect vessel (which we all are) and being sloppy or reckless with the truth.
Exactly.

[BenAdam]

They make great catnip? They have itty, bitty white canes? They wear dark barbie glasses?

they teach ninja squirrels, like this guy who taught kung fu..

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://kungfu-artistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/master-po.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFsP4QWxw0b8GP4YuSlNyNXetykcQ

[charityagape]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, grasshopper.

[franky67]

My dear, you have a strange interpretation of what a real move of God is. Doing things wrong and right are well documented in His Word. I didn't find any verse in His Word that says that HE is looking for "availability"?

Your touch with reality in stepping out in "MISTAKE" isn't the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who told you that?

So Todd was told to forget the stuff about our Lord Jesus Christ, because we know about HIM, and that God told Todd to concentrate on angels and the supernatural. And that our God told him to fill everyone up with Todd's angels?

My dear sister, that's new age and the occult.

Always remember that when people us the word God they could talking about, the big "G" or the little "g".

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.


If you had listened to some of his words, you would hear an overabundance of references and quotes about Jesus, and as for angels,

Psalm 103:20
"Bless the Lord, you His angels, mighty in strength, who perform His word, obeying the voice of His word."

It is a real move of God, mixed with a measure of flesh, I know a pastor and his wife, who were there, and I believe him, when he said he had a close encounter with God, while there.

[Elijah2]

If you had listened to some of his words, you would hear an overabundance of references and quotes about Jesus, and as for angels,

Psalm 103:20
"Bless the Lord, you His angels, mighty in strength, who perform His word, obeying the voice of His word."

It is a real move of God, mixed with a measure of flesh, I know a pastor and his wife, who were there, and I believe him, when he said he had a close encounter with God, while there.


Yep, I know a lot of people who had an encounter with God at those sorts of meetings, and I don't see them anymore, slid out of the back door of the church, or still chasing that perfect miracle of signs and wonders.

And after such a meeting a number of church leaders also fell to the flesh after their encounter with their gods.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[Mark2010]

Getting back to the original question: Is it a move of God or a donkey show?

I would say BOTH! Part move of God, part donkey show. The sad partabout 20th and 21st century revivals is we rarely ever get it all right. If you want to be healed or just experience the presence of God,it's probably worth the time. If you want to be taught sound doctrine, you're likely to go away disappointed.

It is what it is. Take what you like and leave the rest. Someone behind you will lap it up with gladness.

[GrapeGirl]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f170/chongolio/myspace/donkey160115full.jpg

[mont974x4]

nasb
Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

[FaultySurplus]

I'm assuming everyone here knows just what a 'Donkey Show' is, right? This is just disturbing.

[BenAdam]

I'm assuming everyone here knows just what a 'Donkey Show' is, right? This is just disturbing.

Dude, that is just wrong.

[BenAdam]

We used to have donkeys on the farm they would sometimes look at you do some jumping do a few turns braw real loud and do some other strange thing for no apperant reason they just liked an audience and to be the center of attention. so i guess what i mean is he seeking to be the center of attention is he just putting on a show so people will watch him and be attracted to him or is he just serving God. Just asking for peoples thoughts. Its been debated to death i would just like to know what peoples conclusions are now after all the evidence is in,is it a donkey show or is it just a man serving God ??

just for reference

[FaultySurplus]

Dude, that is just wrong.

Wasn't me. I just want to know if those who are saying its a 'donkey show' actually know what they are implying.

I'm thinking the term 'dog and pony show' might fit a little better. :idea:

[FaultySurplus]

just for reference

That's all well and good, but the term itself has a very specific connotation.

[mont974x4]

I'm inclined to say that both definitions apply. The "donkey show" and the ideal that he just wants attention.

[BenAdam]

That's all well and good, but the term itself has a very specific connotation.
perhaps (and I hope this is the case) the OP is naive to the fact of the "other" meaning

[FaultySurplus]

perhaps (and I hope this is the case) the OP is naive to the fact of the "other" meaning

Ok. I'll buy that. I just read the thread title and got a sickening feeling is the pit of my considerable gut region. Bad juju.

More to the spirit of the OP. I think that TB actually believes he's following God. I believe the man is deceived by false doctrine. So in essence, I don't think of him as putting on a show. I believe that if God ever turns him around and away from his lies, he will be a great asset to the Church.

As for the revival itself. God will always move in faith, on behalf of his Son. That's how good to us He is. Even when we miss it, like TB is doing, He will always be faithful.

[Elijah2]

Here's another "blob" for the donkey show, a comment made by a person about a month or so ago.

Last night at the historic revival of the great revivalist Todd Bentley, a 5-foot-tall male angel named Hugh Mility appeared and then disappeared, all in a matter of seconds. Evidently, as soon as Hugh arrived near the back of the stadium, the angel Emma kicked him out, saying, “We’ll never advance the kingdom with you around. When you appear, people start getting content, obedient, lowly, meek, and all nice to each other, and today’s the day of spiritual aggression and fervor. It’s the day of striving for anointings, offices, wealth, names, titles, authority, being included in the prophetic who’s who, and prominence, not striving to be the least. Haven’t you heard the prophetic crowing of the people roosters? It’s a new day, Hughie. Go back to Africa before God sends you to Jupiter where your ignorant friend Connie dwells in deserved solitude.”

Evidently three people heard and saw this angelic interaction; they have chosen to remain anonymous out of fear for their families.

[charityagape]

Where's the original post? Or is this from memory? And do you believe this?

[probinson]

Hugh Mility...

Funny stuff. Wonder how long it took them to think that one up?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/Smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Tamara224]

I'm assuming everyone here knows just what a 'Donkey Show' is, right? This is just disturbing.


I don't know what it means. And I don't think I do want to know.

[~RENEE~]

Here's another "blob" for the donkey show, a comment made by a person about a month or so ago.

Last night at the historic revival of the great revivalist Todd Bentley, a 5-foot-tall male angel named Hugh Mility appeared and then disappeared, all in a matter of seconds. Evidently, as soon as Hugh arrived near the back of the stadium, the angel Emma kicked him out, saying, “We’ll never advance the kingdom with you around. When you appear, people start getting content, obedient, lowly, meek, and all nice to each other, and today’s the day of spiritual aggression and fervor. It’s the day of striving for anointings, offices, wealth, names, titles, authority, being included in the prophetic who’s who, and prominence, not striving to be the least. Haven’t you heard the prophetic crowing of the people roosters? It’s a new day, Hughie. Go back to Africa before God sends you to Jupiter where your ignorant friend Connie dwells in deserved solitude.”

Evidently three people heard and saw this angelic interaction; they have chosen to remain anonymous out of fear for their families.
Source?

[probinson]

I don't know what it means. And I don't think I do want to know.
For the love of all that is pure and holy, DO NOT look it up (like I just did...)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/Smilies/36_1_251.gif


:swoon:

[Tamara224]

For the love of all that is pure and holy, DO NOT look it up (like I just did...)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/Smilies/36_1_251.gif


:swoon:

:D I'm so snagging that emot.

And thanks...I'm not gonna look it up. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that my imagination already filled in the blanks.

[charityagape]

Hugh Mility...

Funny stuff. Wonder how long it took them to think that one up?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/Smilies/rolleyes.gif

Who's Hugh Mility.................I am freaking dumb.............never mind. First time I read that, I seriously wondered if they'd somehow become mentally impaired...........BUT NO......it's a joke.

Although I don't get this part of the joke.

Go back to Africa before God sends you to Jupiter where your ignorant friend Connie dwells in deserved solitude.”

[charityagape]

Weird......good weird...........thread went for forty posts before anyone wondered what a donkey show was.

[GrapeGirl]

lol

[FaultySurplus]

For the love of all that is pure and holy, DO NOT look it up (like I just did...)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/petesarah/Smilies/36_1_251.gif


:swoon:

Good advice. If you don't know what it is, consider yourself fortunate. Ignorance is truly bliss in this particular case.

[GrapeGirl]

That's true.

[CryoftheNation]

I think it's meant to be a joke? Doesn't work for me though sorry!

[BenAdam]

Weird......good weird...........thread went for forty posts before anyone wondered what a donkey show was.
Um... read post 2

[hopeinGod]

As the bodies of present-day saints grow older and add more aches and pains, there will be more and more suffering in our world, even torment, on a daily basis. I know those today who desire, even plead, for healing from such tormenting conditions as tinnitus, fibromyalgia, alzheimers, degenerative bone diseases, muscular dystrophy, and polytrauma, on a constant basis.

I work in a VA hospital only less than a half hour drive from where Bentley holds his crusade; yet, he has not shown the least bit of compassion by walking among our wounded veterans to pray for and comfort them.

And so many folks from this area will continue to attend the donkey show, where legs are slammed on the altar steps, faces are kicked as they kneel at the altar, and the crap beat out of worshippers. I attended once, but as many of you know, found the sound system set far too loud for my sensitive ears.

We had all hoped Bentley's meetings were the beginning of a new movement in this country. The opinion, at this point, seems to be that it is, overall, a donkey show. So then, what is to be said about Morningstar? Is it a legitimate move, or merely another show?

It may be that we will wander this present desert we are in until the end of our lives, and be refused that promised revival we all so desperately long for. I hope that is not God's will. May He have mercy on us all.

Dave

[LeadWorship]

I work in a VA hospital only less than a half hour drive from where Bentley holds his crusade; yet, he has not shown the least bit of compassion by walking among our wounded veterans to pray for and comfort them.


Have you called the Florida Outpouring information lines, or Ignited Church, and asked if some of those they are raising up and sending out would come by? You don't need Todd Bentley to show up, you need God to, and if it increases your faith for someone else to bring God there, then ask for those touched by God in the revival, not Todd Bentley. Call them, I'm sure they'd be willing to help.

[charityagape]

Um... read post 2

I thought that was a serious question/request.

[~RENEE~]

And so many folks from this area will continue to attend the donkey show, where legs are slammed on the altar steps, faces are kicked as they kneel at the altar, and the crap beat out of worshippers.
Sorry acting like this is done constantly is falsehood. It is NOT.

[CryoftheNation]

And so many folks from this area will continue to attend the donkey show, where legs are slammed on the altar steps, faces are kicked as they kneel at the altar, and the crap beat out of worshippers. I attended once, but as many of you know, found the sound system set far too loud for my sensitive ears.

We had all hoped Bentley's meetings were the beginning of a new movement in this country. The opinion, at this point, seems to be that it is, overall, a donkey show. So then, what is to be said about Morningstar? Is it a legitimate move, or merely another show?

It may be that we will wander this present desert we are in until the end of our lives, and be refused that promised revival we all so desperately long for. I hope that is not God's will. May He have mercy on us all.

Dave

You may well do my friend. Maybe this is the revival you so long for! Maybe, you just can't see it yet! By the way, if a revival has been promised by God, be assured it will come. In HIS time! In HIS way! Using HIS people and ways! Not ours!

God Bless

Simon

[Elijah2]

You may well do my friend. Maybe this is the revival you so long for! Maybe, you just can't see it yet! By the way, if a revival has been promised by God, be assured it will come. In HIS time! In HIS way! Using HIS people and ways! Not ours!

God Bless

Simon

Oh well, I may as well get my surf board out, because I saw the first wave (Toronto), then the second wave (Pensacola), now the third wave (Lakeland), may be the fourth wave will be the REAL REVIVAL.

The only time "revival" is mentioned in His Word is in Ezra 9:8: “And now for a little while grace has been shown from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a peg in His holy place, that our God may enlighten our eyes and give us a measure of revival in our bondage.”

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[hopeinGod]

Please interpret what you mean by your last post, Elijah2. Are you saying you do not believe in revival or that revival is imaginary?
Dave

[hopeinGod]

Have you called the Florida Outpouring information lines, or Ignited Church, and asked if some of those they are raising up and sending out would come by? You don't need Todd Bentley to show up, you need God to, and if it increases your faith for someone else to bring God there, then ask for those touched by God in the revival, not Todd Bentley. Call them, I'm sure they'd be willing to help.

These people respond to nothing that's sent to them. I've written, but not about making an appearance at the hospital, regarding other concerns. They could care less.

Dave

[Elijah2]

Please interpret what you mean by your last post, Elijah2. Are you saying you do not believe in revival or that revival is imaginary?
Dave
NOPE!:)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

[BenAdam]

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