The resurrection of the body

[whatsit]

Hi; I'm doing some research for a discussion here at home. Thanks for the help! :)

[LutheranChick]

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Christian Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen. (3rd article of the Apostle's Creed)

[dinkime]

very well stated, LC! :)

[BabyLutheran]

for once, I think we all can agree! lol

This one is a slam dunk

[Edial]

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Christian Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen. (3rd article of the Apostle's Creed)
Cheater. You used Cliff's Notes of Lutheranism. :)

[Tofferer]

I firmly believe in the ressurection of the body and the life everlasting. This is what scripture declares, so it must be true.

[LutheranMafia]

The scriptures refer to the goal being the raising of a “spiritual body”, so I vote no: “It is sown a physical body but raised a spiritual body.” Resurrecting the physical body means nothing if the spirit is still dead.

I think that everyone’s spirit turns to ghost-like rips and shreds by the time they are 8 or 9, such that all adults are already spiritually dead and physical death actually changes their spirit very little. No adult has the kind of skip in their step that small children do and no adult has the exuberant sense of wonder and fascination about life that children do. That is what being alive is really like, and it is only a distant childhood memory for all of us, until the day of resurrection comes.

[seajoy]

The scriptures refer to the goal being the raising of a “spiritual body”, so I vote no: “It is sown a physical body but raised a spiritual body.” Resurrecting the physical body means nothing if the spirit is still dead.

I think that everyone’s spirit turns to ghost-like rips and shreds by the time they are 8 or 9, such that all adults are already spiritually dead and physical death actually changes their spirit very little. No adult has the kind of skip in their step that small children do and no adult has the exuberant sense of wonder and fascination about life that children do. That is what being alive is really like, and it is only a distant childhood memory for all of us, until the day of resurrection comes.
Someone stop this train and let me off. :doh:

[LutheranChick]

Someone stop this train and let me off. :doh:
Take me with you!

[LutheranMafia]

So you folks believe that everyone that is physically alive at the time of the resurrection of the dead will experience nothing at all? I don't think that scriptures permit that as a viable conclusion.

[MarkRohfrietsch]

So you folks believe that everyone that is physically alive at the time of the resurrection of the dead will experience nothing at all? I don't think that scriptures permit that as a viable conclusion.

The Bible tells us that we will be raised "incorruptible" and "immortal". I will have a body, it will be my body, but it will be perfect, no weakness', no pain, no sickness, and ageless (I'm hoping at any rate). Those living will get the same, I think. Not sure if before or after judgment though.

[DaRev]

So you folks believe that everyone that is physically alive at the time of the resurrection of the dead will experience nothing at all? I don't think that scriptures permit that as a viable conclusion.

1 Thessalonians 4:17. I suggest you do some research before making such statements.

[LutheranMafia]

1 Thessalonians 4:17. I suggest you do some research before making such statements.Well, thank you for doing my research for me! How does that not corroborate what I just said? Clearly the living are affected just as I said. Something happens to the dead first because all they have is their spirit which is in tatters. All are "worthless rags". The living will become aware over time, but only those who already know that the Biblical reference to "worthless rags" is not an analogy or a literary image will be as aware as the dead of what happens to everyone's spirit all at once. It will be like the Big Bang of the spirit realm, suddenly the world of the spirit will become a solid substance rather than tattered ethereal rags.

Now, if you take anything in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 literally then you have to take verses 13 & 14 literally, which would mean that soul sleeps is true, a distinctly non-Lutheran doctrine.

[LutheranMafia]

The Bible tells us that we will be raised "incorruptible" and "immortal". I will have a body, it will be my body, but it will be perfect, no weakness', no pain, no sickness, and ageless (I'm hoping at any rate). Those living will get the same, I think. Not sure if before or after judgment though.Can a spirit in Heaven have a car accident, get cancer or grow old and die? I'm not trying to argue that Heaven is already like your description of the Resurrection of the Dead; actually I'm arguing the opposite.

Since all spirits are as worthless tattered rags to God, even existence in the afterlife is not incorruptible. But to come into a state where the spirit is fully and completely incorruptible is going to effect the living as well as the dead.

[DaRev]

Something happens to the dead first because all they have is their spirit which is in tatters. All are "worthless rags".


Since all spirits are as worthless tattered rags to God, even existence in the afterlife is not incorruptible.

Where do you get this from? You certainly have a vivid imagination. I would strongly suggest you get into a good Lutheran Catechesis class somewhere.

[LutheranMafia]

As usually your drive by contemptuous remark is totally unspecific. What exactly is not explicit in the Bible about this? Let’s review:

1. You must become like a little child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Is this a reference to a physical state or a spiritual state? Do you have eyes of your own such that you can see the difference between the alive state of children and the dead state of adults, which Jesus was clearly referring to? Or are your eyes so completely dead to the spirit that you can't see what he was talking about for yourself?

2. If all our good deeds are as worthless rags to God, as you conservative Lutherans like to repeat often, then what exactly does that say about the state of our spirits?

Can you put two and two together here, or do you have to have your hand held by doctrine through ever little act of simple arithmetic in theology?

[seajoy]

As usually your drive by contemptuous remark is totally unspecific. What exactly is not explicit in the Bible about this? Let’s review:

1. You must become like a little child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Is this a reference to a physical state or a spiritual state?

2. If all our good deeds are as worthless rags to God, as you conservative Lutherans like to repeat often, then what exactly does that say about the state of our spirits?

Can you put two and two together here, or do you have to have your hand held by doctrine through ever little act of simple arithmetic in theology?
:D You are killin' me here. ^_^

[LutheranMafia]

I'm thankful that you have so many constructive comments on the matter.

[Edial]

The scriptures refer to the goal being the raising of a “spiritual body”, so I vote no: “It is sown a physical body but raised a spiritual body.” Resurrecting the physical body means nothing if the spirit is still dead.

I think that everyone’s spirit turns to ghost-like rips and shreds by the time they are 8 or 9, such that all adults are already spiritually dead and physical death actually changes their spirit very little. No adult has the kind of skip in their step that small children do and no adult has the exuberant sense of wonder and fascination about life that children do. That is what being alive is really like, and it is only a distant childhood memory for all of us, until the day of resurrection comes.
Quick question.

What do you think happened to Christ's body when they went in and did not find it?

Thanks,
Ed

[Edial]

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1. You must become like a little child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Is this a reference to a physical state or a spiritual state? Do you have eyes of your own such that you can see the difference between the alive state of children and the dead state of adults, which Jesus was clearly referring to? Or are your eyes so completely dead to the spirit that you can't see what he was talking about for yourself?

MT 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" 2 And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, 3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. (NASB)

What does this verse tell you concerning "becoming like a little child"?


2. If all our good deeds are as worthless rags to God, as you conservative Lutherans like to repeat often, then what exactly does that say about the state of our spirits?
JN 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (NASB)

What state one's spirit is if it is born of Spirit (Holy Spirit)? Do you believe it is as worthless rags to God?


Can you put two and two together here, or do you have to have your hand held by doctrine through ever little act of simple arithmetic in theology?
Arithmetic is good. So what do two and two make based on these verses?

Thanks,
Ed

[DaRev]

:D You are killin' me here. ^_^

His nonsense is somewhat entertaining, isn't it?

[seajoy]

His nonsense is somewhat entertaining, isn't it?
indeed :)
*I must behave...I must behave*

[RadMan]

Don"t Feed The Trolls!

[DaRev]

Don"t Feed The Trolls!

Good point. :thumbsup:

[seajoy]

Good point. :thumbsup:
agreed

[LutheranMafia]

What do you think happened to Christ's body when they went in and did not find it?
Well, it become something that was both physical and yet capable of movement between different spirit planes (such as Heaven and Hell) yet could still return physically to Earth. Yet Jesus did not continue to physically return throughout the ages, so it is entirely unclear what the full parameters of a resurrected spiritual body is. 1 Corinthians has the most to say on the subject, which is still precious little.

[LutheranMafia]

His nonsense is somewhat entertaining, isn't it?You appear to be better at taunts than theology. As soon as a topic of substance comes up you generally have more insults than insights. Much more heat than light.

[LutheranMafia]

MT 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" 2 And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, 3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. (NASB)

What does this verse tell you concerning "becoming like a little child"?
That virtually all adults are spiritually damaged, jaded, cynical, contemptuous of anyone else's point of view, and egocentric. That is a state of spiritual death. Young children are never like that because they are still spiritually alive, for a little longer. Then they are slaughtered like all the other lambs who spiritually die shortly before puberty.

JN 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (NASB)

What state one's spirit is if it is born of Spirit (Holy Spirit)? Do you believe it is as worthless rags to God?
Yes. It is better than it was, but it is still just a pale shadow of what we will become at the resurrection of the dead.


Arithmetic is good. So what do two and two make based on these verses?Some day there will be a lot of people walking around with the innocence and love of life that only children have today. The world will be a dramatically different place then.

[DaRev]

You appear to be better at taunts than theology. As soon as a topic of substance comes up you generally have more insults than insights. Much more heat than light.

How would you know about theology? Very few of your comments make any sense whatsoever.

I have tried to answer your questions with clear Lutheran doctrine (answers which everyone else on this board understands) but you only hear what you want. If anyone says something that doesn't jive with your claims you tend to come back with put downs and sarcasm. Most (if not all) of the folks here are tired of it.

[Edial]

Well, it become something that was both physical and yet capable of movement between different spirit planes (such as Heaven and Hell) yet could still return physically to Earth. Yet Jesus did not continue to physically return throughout the ages, so it is entirely unclear what the full parameters of a resurrected spiritual body is. 1 Corinthians has the most to say on the subject, which is still precious little.
OK. And what does the 1Corinthians text say concerning the parameters of a resurrected spiritual body ...

1CO 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

While perishable cannot inherit the Kingdom of God (v.50), ...
perishable (body or remnants of it, even DNA) is clothed with imperishable. (v.53)
"Clothed" means an outer garment of a sort.

So, the imperishable contains the perishable.

We'll have a bodily resurrection, yet our bodies will change (v.52) while containing our bodies (clothed with imperishable) (vv.53,54).

Did I misunderstand your comment?

Thanks,
Ed

[Edial]

That virtually all adults are spiritually damaged, jaded, cynical, contemptuous of anyone else's point of view, and egocentric. That is a state of spiritual death. Young children are never like that because they are still spiritually alive, for a little longer. Then they are slaughtered like all the other lambs who spiritually die shortly before puberty.
OK. If you believe that children necessariy do not sin (hence spiritually die) till 8 or 9 (as you mentioned elsewhere), how do you explain this verse ...

RO 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; ... (NASB)

... while this verse confirms that infants also sin?

PS 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
These who speak lies go astray from birth. (NASB)

Yes. It is better than it was, but it is still just a pale shadow of what we will become at the resurrection of the dead.
OK.
While it is obvious that born-again (born from above) believers sin while in the body while they could not sin out of the body in Heaven, how do you explain this verse that associates sin as residing in the body (sinful nature, or flesh) and not in the newly born spirit?

RO 7:17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which indwells me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the wishing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wishes to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. (NASB)
Some day there will be a lot of people walking around with the innocence and love of life that only children have today. The world will be a dramatically different place then.
The world or the Heaven?

Thanks,
Ed

[LutheranMafia]

OK. If you believe that children necessarily do not sin (hence spiritually die) till 8 or 9
Equating sin as a synonym of death is a very extreme definition. The literal translation is “missing the mark”, which is what youthful folly is all about. If children didn’t miss the mark and got everything perfectly right the first time it would creep you out. Babies aren’t supposed to get up, walk around and start talking in perfect English. If they did I’d consider calling an exorcist.

While it is obvious that born-again (born from above) believers sin while in the body while they could not sin out of the body in Heaven, how do you explain this verse that associates sin as residing in the body (sinful nature, or flesh) and not in the newly born spirit?
The impetus of the flesh still pervades a deceased spirit, so the distinction is not so clear cut. Being dead doesn’t take away sinful urge.

The world or the Heaven?Both!

[LutheranMafia]

OK. And what does the 1Corinthians text say concerning the parameters of a resurrected spiritual body ...

1CO 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

While perishable cannot inherit the Kingdom of God (v.50), ...
perishable (body or remnants of it, even DNA) is clothed with imperishable. (v.53)
"Clothed" means an outer garment of a sort.

So, the imperishable contains the perishable.

We'll have a bodily resurrection, yet our bodies will change (v.52) while containing our bodies (clothed with imperishable) (vv.53,54).
Not our bodies, our spirits and minds.

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[Edial]

Not our bodies, our spirits and minds.

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Doesn't v.50 talk about flesh and blood?

[Edial]

Don"t Feed The Trolls!
If only the responses would include Scriptures I would have something to go by. Otherwise I am just lost as most of the people appear to be here.

Thanks, :)
Ed

[seajoy]

If only the responses would include Scriptures I would have something to go by. Otherwise I am just lost as most of the people appear to be here.

Thanks, :)
Ed
Ed, my friend, what are you talking about?

[Edial]

Ed, my friend, what are you talking about?
Concerning LutheranMafia.
I find it hard to continue the discussion.

He probably means well, but there must be some common ground in any discussion.

He says he respects the Scriptures, and he probably does, but for some reason he appears to look for things in them that are not there.

I don't know.

[seajoy]

Concerning LutheranMafia.
I find it hard to continue the discussion.

He probably means well, but there must be some common ground in any discussion.

He says he respects the Scriptures, and he probably does, but for some reason he appears to look for things in them that are not there.

I don't know.
Thanks for clarifying. :)

[RadMan]

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[LilLamb219]

MOD HAT ON

Even though this poll was asked in multiple forums, since we are the Lutheran forum, we should be giving LUTHERAN replies to the OP. Any other replies from now on that go against Lutheran beliefs will be considered off-topic and could possibly be deleted.

MOD HAT OFF

[Zecryphon]

http://www.untwistedvortex.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/dontfeedthetroll.jpg

Can we poke it with a stick? Or better yet, slap it with a fisk? ^_^

[LutheranMafia]

Doesn't v.50 talk about flesh and blood?It says that flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God. That is what prompted my last reply of 'heart and mind', which are aspects of the spirit rather than purely physical.

[LilLamb219]

Old Adam can't inherit...but New Adam can because of the righteousness of Christ that covers him :) That's the difference between flesh and blood and spirit.

[LutheranMafia]

I thought Christ was the New Adam? Who is the New Adam?

Corinthians repeats several times that "resurrection" refers primarily to the spirit and not to the physical body, although it is extremely vague and unclear about how Christ's very physical resurrection ties into that.

[Edial]

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Corinthians repeats several times that "resurrection" refers primarily to the spirit and not to the physical body, although it is extremely vague and unclear about how Christ's very physical resurrection ties into that.
I asked you what happened to Christ's physical body in the tomb.

You said it became something else. Fine.

Originally Posted by Edial http://img.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=47494736#post47494736)
What do you think happened to Christ's body when they went in and did not find it?
Well, it become something that was both physical and yet capable of movement between different spirit planes (such as Heaven and Hell) yet could still return physically to Earth. Yet Jesus did not continue to physically return throughout the ages, so it is entirely unclear what the full parameters of a resurrected spiritual body is. 1 Corinthians has the most to say on the subject, which is still precious little.

If it became something else, was it a physical resurrection of spiritual, since in Christ's case His physical body disappeared.

You are not saying sprit and body are the same thing, are you?

Thanks,
Ed

[LutheranMafia]

I asked you what happened to Christ's physical body in the tomb.

You said it became something else. Fine.
I've been here so sporadically lately that I lost track of whether you were asking about the general resurrection of the dead in the future or Jesus' individual resurrection in the past. Corinthians describes the resurrection of the dead in terms that I can't quite connect to Jesus' resurrection because Jesus' resurrection sounds quite physical, while Corinthians seems to preclude the physical in a manner that I find hard to connect with Jesus' resurrection.

If it became something else, was it a physical resurrection of spiritual, since in Christ's case His physical body disappeared.
It disappeared and then reappeared after three days. I think that it is possible for spirits to be quite solid, although virtually none are. With the exception of Christ, spirits in Heaven are all ghostly forms with no physicality at all. I think that virtually everyone has spirits that are literally like filthy rags, so shredded that they have no tangible substance.

You are not saying sprit and body are the same thing, are you?Uh, well, yes and no. I don't pretend to understand this, but if I had to hazard a guess I would say that when the spirit is not in a state of tattered rags that it does have a certain physicality. It is not quite bound to the same laws of physics as normal flesh and blood, but it can walk around, pick things up and shake your hand.

[Edial]

I've been here so sporadically lately that I lost track of whether you were asking about the general resurrection of the dead in the future or Jesus' individual resurrection in the past. Corinthians describes the resurrection of the dead in terms that I can't quite connect to Jesus' resurrection because Jesus' resurrection sounds quite physical, while Corinthians seems to preclude the physical in a manner that I find hard to connect with Jesus' resurrection.

It disappeared and then reappeared after three days. I think that it is possible for spirits to be quite solid, although virtually none are. With the exception of Christ, spirits in Heaven are all ghostly forms with no physicality at all. I think that virtually everyone has spirits that are literally like filthy rags, so shredded that they have no tangible substance.

Uh, well, yes and no. I don't pretend to understand this, but if I had to hazard a guess I would say that when the spirit is not in a state of tattered rags that it does have a certain physicality. It is not quite bound to the same laws of physics as normal flesh and blood, but it can walk around, pick things up and shake your hand.
When you found that verse about dirty rags it talked about one's deeds.
Why are you using this analigy concerning one' spirit?

Thanks,
Ed

[LutheranMafia]

When you found that verse about dirty rags it talked about one's deeds.
Why are you using this analogy concerning one's spirit?
Deeds are a product of the quality of faith. The quality of faith is fundamental and defines the state of the spirit. References to the abysmal state of the spirit abound in both testaments; it is not limited to this one expression, but Isaiah 64:6 is one of the most often quoted verses in this regard, even though it is uniquely worded. All of the many Biblical verses that address this issue are ultimately referring to the state of people’s spirits.

[Edial]

Deeds are a product of the quality of faith. The quality of faith is fundamental and defines the state of the spirit. References to the abysmal state of the spirit abound in both testaments; it is not limited to this one expression, but Isaiah 64:6 is one of the most often quoted verses in this regard, even though it is uniquely worded. All of the many Biblical verses that address this issue are ultimately referring to the state of people’s spirits.

Show me.

[LutheranMafia]

Show you what? Verses that say that no one is really worthy of salvation of themselves??

[Edial]

Show you what? Verses that say that no one is really worthy of salvation of themselves??
Show me Scriptures of how Isaiah 64:6 refers to the abysmal state of the spirit.

Also, show me Scriptures of how the spriits of the believers are in the abysmal state in the light of John 3:6, which states that Holy sprit gives birth to a spirit of a believer.

Thanks,
Ed


Deeds are a product of the quality of faith. The quality of faith is fundamental and defines the state of the spirit. References to the abysmal state of the spirit abound in both testaments; it is not limited to this one expression, but Isaiah 64:6 is one of the most often quoted verses in this regard, even though it is uniquely worded. All of the many Biblical verses that address this issue are ultimately referring to the state of people’s spirits.

[LutheranMafia]

Show me Scriptures of how Isaiah 64:6 refers to the abysmal state of the spirit.What I mean by the 'abysmal state of the spirit' is in line with WildStrawberry's tooth decay model of sin and salvation and Luther's Sola Gratia. The Biblical 'analogy' of clothing is also used in Galatians 3:27 to describe how we are (or can be) "clothed in Christ". I take it a step further and refer to being clothed in rags as being ghostly and lacking solidity, as opposed to being clothed in Christ, which confers a solidity to our existence that is no longer phantasmal and ghostly. There is not only no life outside of God, it isn't even real in a certain sense, it is like the dream of a sleepwalker who has no idea that he is actually walking so precariously next to a deadly abyss.

Also, show me Scriptures of how the spirits of the believers are in the abysmal state in the light of John 3:6, which states that Holy Spirit gives birth to the spirit of a believer.Yes, I have not state a complete argument here, and you have pointed out the part I hadn't had a chance to delve into because I am really thinking out loud here and have not sorted these things out for myself. Grace can make your spirit solid in a way that we do not deserve because of anything good we have done, that is what being "clothed in Christ" means, but still, even those who are clothed in Christ will be changed at the resurrection of the dead. Nothing in scripture leads me to believe that this change will involve the destruction of their physical bodies at that time.

[LutheranMafia]

I have one more thought in this regard. It is one of my favorite verses from Corinthians, quoted by Robert DeNiro in the movie "The Mission", about a Catholic priest in South America in the 1600's who was murder with most of his parishioners (including Robert DeNiro) by another more corrupt arm of the Catholic church. DeNiro kills his brother in a duel over a love quarrel, and then is unable to live with himself, refusing to leave the horse stall he was initially imprisoned in.

A priest takes his burden on, demanding the most brutal repentance. After having carried an enormous load of extremely valuable things that were really garbage to the priest, up the Andes, the priest finally relinquishes his load when he sees that DeNiro is ready, and cuts his load off--promptly dumps it all into the river. DeNiro breaks down crying, realizing why he was asked to perform such a brutal and impossible task, with no concern for the delivery of his symbolic load of sin. It was all for him, and him alone, only for his own salvation. At this point he transforms, and soon follows his confession of faith, starting from this verse:

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."
-1 Corinthians 13:11


I believe that at the Resurrection of the Dead, we shall all become as adults, trying to fathom the childishness of what we were before.