FSGs and organising your new place, how bout a fellowship forum?

[Tishri1]

Vis did a great job in getting this forum for you all, she did all the background work and now here it is....BUT I was talking to some of the Admins and we noticed that you may want to tweak this place to make it even better....We all know this place being in Theology leans more toward debate, so really you dont need the debate forum here,, and you dont have anyplace to simply fellowship and get away from debate if you want to so why dont we create a place like that in the fellowship area? we can either create a brand new place or as I originally suggested use the Orthodox forum for fellowship since that is what the subforum is suppose to be for....keep the name or change it if you like but put it in the fellowship area for protection......

I originally thought you would want to have Messianic Way in the fellowship area but if thats not what you want, then at least consider having a subforum there ok

here are some ideas


Messianic Way in the fellowship area
Messianic Debate in this place

or



Orthodox in the fellowship area
Messianic Way here
get rid of the debate forum

or



a new Fellowship forum
keep Messianic Way here
get rid of the debate forum

if any of these sound good please let me know or even if you want give your own ideas too.

[ShirChadash]

Thank you, Tishri, I think that's a nice idea, however you all decide to work it.

[kivi]

Hey, this is a great place, thanks and deepest gratitude to all who made it possible. But lets not ruin a good thing by trying to tweak it. Were I come from 'tweaking' is not a good thing. It always implies addictive behavior. Maybe, in a few months, when we finally get some 'on-the-ground' experience, we may want to 'improve', but 1st, lets get the experience. Unless the langauge is particulary foul, I don't plan to do any 'reporting'. I want the raw and uncensored. All I could suggest is that all of the groups involved have a moderator permanently on-the-ground, including Orthodox Jews.

[Kris10leigh]

Hey, this is a great place, thanks and deepest gratitude to all who made it possible. But lets not ruin a good thing by trying to tweak it. Were I come from 'tweaking' is not a good thing. It always implies addictive behavior. Maybe, in a few months, when we finally get some 'on-the-ground' experience, we may want to 'improve', but 1st, lets get the experience. Unless the langauge is particulary foul, I don't plan to do any 'reporting'. I want the raw and uncensored. All I could suggest is that all of the groups involved have a moderator permanently on-the-ground, including Orthodox Jews.

I agree. Yes, I'm getting a little disgruntled with some behaviors, but it is from non-member type people. I'm fine with inhouse disagreements. I don't like just fellowship, personally. I like to dig into the nitty gritty stuff which isn't always pretty. But I think it can be done nicely and not in a formal debate setting. Constantly being asked to show support for a statement gets old.

Is it possible to set it up the FSGs in such a way that an "outsider" would have to mind his/her manners? And by "outsider", I mean non-Messianic/gentile/Jew...you know, anyone not connected in some way to the Messianic thing. Am I being clear? I don't want to mess things up.

[ShirChadash]

All I could suggest is that all of the groups involved have a moderator permanently on-the-ground, including Orthodox Jews.
that's a good point Kivi.

I, too, do not plan to report posts unless it would be an extremely necessary thing for some reason. But I can see where some folks might be more comfortable having a forum for nothing but fellowship where they can enjoy lightehearted discussion -- some people are upset even seeing debate discussion threads.

[anisavta]

There needs to be a place for good debate. But we also need a "safe place" where everyone knew the ground rules. No debate - just "coffee and down time". I am wondering though about a place like that. So far the "chat" areas seem so slow and no one posts because I think no one wants to leave their "weapons" by the door.

[Tishri1]

All I could suggest is that all of the groups involved have a moderator permanently on-the-ground, including Orthodox Jews.We have Bananna:thumbsup: and Is Vis a Mod here(she should be:thumbsup:) and Tal could ask as well for a Mod position here...that would be 1 NT MJ, one Jewish(is Tal Orthodox?), and one MJ..But the balance needs to be 20% UT to 80% NC so we would need alot more NC MJs and NC Christians too in order for Tal to come on board(7 more to be exact)Its doable though


Suggestion:
:thumbsup: if there are seven already working in this area(Theology) send them a PM requesting them plus Tal



Is it possible to set it up the FSGs in such a way that an "outsider" would have to mind his/her manners? And by "outsider", I mean non-Messianic/gentile/Jew...you know, anyone not connected in some way to the Messianic thing. Am I being clear? I don't want to mess things up.no not really thats what we were observing and thats what sparked this PM, basically you only have your Site rules here and any Theology has set up but theres nothing that will insure a fellowship only feel here

[kivi]

We have Bananna:thumbsup: and Is Vis a Mod here(she should be:thumbsup:) and Tal could ask as well for a Mod position here...that would be 1 NT MJ, one Jewish(is Tal Orthodox?), and one MJ..But the balance needs to be 20% UT to 80% NC so we would need alot more NC MJs and NC Christians too in order for Tal to come on board(7 more to be exact)Its doable though


Suggestion:
:thumbsup: if there are seven already working in this area(Theology) send them a PM requesting them plus Tal

no not really thats what we were observing and thats what sparked this PM, basically you only have your Site rules here and any Theology has set up but theres nothing that will insure a fellowship only feel here


kii says: To be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about. I can't figure out the initials. What is a Tal, a NT MJ, a MJ, a UT, a NC, a NC MJ and a NC Christian?

[Talmidah]

kii says: To be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about. I can't figure out the initials. What is a Tal?

That would be me. :wave:

[ShirChadash]

^_^That would be me. :wave:

[kivi]

That would be me. :wave:

kivi says: :thumbsup:

[ChavaK]

I'm with Kivi; leave the forum alone for awhile and see how it goes.
We can tweak it later if we want.

I don't like the idea of limiting posting by people who are not Jews or who
are not Messianics. I thought the idea here was to have free expression.
It makes the discussions a lot more interesting and lively to have a mix
of ideas. I don't even mind if people get rude and offensive, as long as
the language is clean and there is not something going on blatantly
anti-semitic.

[synger]

Let me try to clarify a bit. Because this forum is under Theology, it is by its very nature a discussion and debate forum. If you look at how the other UT forums are organized, there is a Theology > UT > JW Theology discussion forum and a Theology > UT > Fellowship > JW fellowship forum.

To do something similar, you would have this forum for discussion/debate (under Theology > UT > Messianic Way) and if you want a fellowship forum where no debate is allowed (Theology > UT > Fellowship > Messianic)

You may not need a specific fellowship forum. You can always have one later if you prefer to keep your fellowship and discussion together right now. Just know that if you do, there are no protections against debate in your fellowship threads. Discussion is on-topic.

[GerTzedek]

Things seem to be going fine. Why fix what's not broken? Forget tweaking. Things were moved here because this was the safest place for open talk. The last thing anyone wants is for things to close up again.

As for mods, Vis is the person with the most rights to be mod here. I am personally really angry that she is not.

I also don't understand why Tishri keeps popping up, now that things are set up, since she is NOT a mod here. One of the things which was discussed in advance was the importance of not having the mods from the other forum here, but starting fresh.

On a personal level, OF COURSE it makes sense to have members of each of the various groups as mods. That ain't gonna happen in the new CF folks. I want a pony, but that ain't gonna happen either.

[synger]

To try to answer at least one question... Tishri and I are here because admins and superadmins have responsibility to the whole site, not just to one category or forum or another. It's our job to help things move smoothly, answer questions, and help facilitate some of the procedural things that crop up (like setting up new forums and FSGs). Since FSG questions arose, I popped in to try to clarify.

Your moderators here are the moderators who work Unorthodox Theology. You can find their names at the bottom of the forum. Other mods may be assigned here, or they can ask to work here.

Bananna http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=109307) , OddBeani http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75818) , BreadAlone http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=158898) , Akathist http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75748) , Hentenza http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=183084) , stumpjumper http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=110704) , WarriorAngel http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=107484) , JonF http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=135152) , tapero http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=32529) , helenofbritain http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=166782)

[GerTzedek]

Well, maybe I'm justing being stupid in the no stupid zone, but when mods become involved who are not the mods of the forum, it leaves me feeling wierd like no one is really in charge. When Akathist first gave us the list of mods, I looked up the pages of each and every one of them to try to get to know them better. This is no offense to you personally, Synger (I know you are here to be helpful), but it is distressing to me that yet another mod not on this list responded. I need to feel like there is some semblence of a community here, that I know the people here, and I know the mods I work with. When a random mod just pops up, it just makes me feel like there is no structure. I'm not saying there is no structure. There can be all sorts of structure that I'm not aware of. But that's the point. I need to be aware of it to feel comfortable.

[kivi]

To try to answer at least one question... Tishri and I are here because admins and superadmins have responsibility to the whole site, not just to one category or forum or another. It's our job to help things move smoothly, answer questions, and help facilitate some of the procedural things that crop up (like setting up new forums and FSGs). Since FSG questions arose, I popped in to try to clarify.

Your moderators here are the moderators who work Unorthodox Theology. You can find their names at the bottom of the forum. Other mods may be assigned here, or they can ask to work here.

Bananna http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=109307) , OddBeani http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75818) , BreadAlone http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=158898) , Akathist http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75748) , Hentenza http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=183084) , stumpjumper http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=110704) , WarriorAngel http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=107484) , JonF http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=135152) , tapero http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=32529) , helenofbritain http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=166782)

kivi says: Just what you would expect in a forum in which discussions of Judaism are a primary topic>>>> no Jewish moderators.

[ChavaK]

kii says: To be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about. I can't figure out the initials. What is a Tal, a NT MJ, a MJ, a UT, a NC, a NC MJ and a NC Christian?

I am going to take a wild guess here....

Tal of course is Talmidah

NT MJ Non-trinitarian Messianic Jew, even though this person is gentile.
MJ Messianic Jew even though this person is a gentile.
UT Unorthodox Theology (?)
NC Nicene Creed
NC MJ Nicene Messianic Jew even though person is gentile.
NC Christian Nicene Creed Christian

How confusing is that? :)

[ChavaK]

kivi says: Just what you would expect in a forum in which discussions of Judaism are a primary topic>>>> no Jewish moderators.

Wanna volunteer? :D

[synger]

Well, maybe I'm justing being stupid in the no stupid zone, but when mods become involved who are not the mods of the forum, it leaves me feeling wierd like no one is really in charge. When Akathist first gave us the list of mods, I looked up the pages of each and every one of them to try to get to know them better. This is no offense to you personally, Synger (I know you are here to be helpful), but it is distressing to me that yet another mod not on this list responded. I need to feel like there is some semblence of a community here, that I know the people here, and I know the mods I work with. When a random mod just pops up, it just makes me feel like there is no structure. I'm not saying there is no structure. There can be all sorts of structure that I'm not aware of. But that's the point. I need to be aware of it to feel comfortable.

I can understand your point of view. Building community takes time, and it's important to know whom you're dealing with.

But please keep in mind that moderators and administrators are two different groups of staff, with very different tasks. Mods work forum-specifically, and so only those listed as assigned to this forum should be giving staff direction and working reports from this forum, though every member of the site is welcome to participate in the day-to-day discussions.

Administrators, on the other hand, are not assigned to any one forum, nor do they work reports. They help on a site-wide scale, especially in areas where their mod staff are working. So any admin may participate in a policy thread like this one. As for me, while I'm a superadmin on the RT and so don't have moderator staff I oversee directly anymore, I have a particular calling to assist with FSGs and other protocol questions, and so participate in threads like this fairly often.

kivi says: Just what you would expect in a forum in which discussions of Judaism are a primary topic>>>> no Jewish moderators.

No, none right now. Because the forum is new, you inherited the mods who work its parent forum of UT. In time, the mod staff will change. It all depends on who is on staff, where they want to work, and what the workload is for your forum. There is no requirement that staff must match in doctrine/belief the topic of the forums they work. But if you know of a Jewish member who is interested in working on staff and might serve in this forum, feel free to suggest that they apply for staff.

[Kris10leigh]

I'm just guessing, but I'm assuming that this forum is being closely watched right now because it's new. I think perhaps Tishri and Synger are watching to make sure things don't erupt. It will settle down, and they're just here right now looking out for our best interest. (I think)

I also think that we're just twitchy over here because we're looking for freedom to discuss our beliefs.

And ChavaK, you are funny. :D And I think you got all the letters right!

[GerTzedek]

I am going to take a wild guess here....

Tal of course is Talmidah

NT MJ Non-trinitarian Messianic Jew, even though this person is gentile.
MJ Messianic Jew even though this person is a gentile.
UT Unorthodox Theology (?)
NC Nicene Creed
NC MJ Nicene Messianic Jew even though person is gentile.
NC Christian Nicene Creed Christian

How confusing is that? :)


You go, girl!

The J in MJ stands for Judaism, as in Messianic Judaism, not for Jew, which is why the person can be gentile.

[GerTzedek]

Okay, since this is just brainstorming, I'm just going to dream.

#1. Vis and I have certainly had our tifs, but she has earned the right to be a mod on this forum. I have no idea what went on, but I think we should push for her to be a mod here.

#2. Can we talk Talmidah into moderating?

#3. As to the general makeup of the panel of mods, here is my dream team: one evangelical, one catholic, one EO to represent the interests of CF, and all the rest evenly split between Messianics and rabbinical Jews. Among Messianics, preference should be given to those who apply as moderators who 1. are actually Jews and 2. actually attend a Messianic congregation (probably as few people volunteer, we'll take whoever we can get!). Justification for this lineup: it appears that stated or not, the primary purpose of this forum is dialogue between Messianics and rabbinical Jews, which is fascinating, but can and does get awkward, and more than awkward at times.

Except with me. I never ever get feisty or irritable.

[ChavaK]

#1. Vis and I have certainly had our tifs, but she has earned the right to be a mod on this forum. I have no idea what went on, but I think we should push for her to be a mod here.
Agreed....

#2. Can we talk Talmidah into moderating?

Ha ha ha ha ha....now you really are dreaming, LOL.

#3. As to the general makeup of the panel of mods, here is my dream team: one evangelical, one catholic, one EO to represent the interests of CF, and all the rest evenly split between Messianics and rabbinical Jews. Among Messianics, preference should be given to those who apply as moderators who 1. are actually Jews and 2. actually attend a Messianic congregation (probably as few people volunteer, we'll take whoever we can get!). Justification for this lineup: it appears that stated or not, the primary purpose of this forum is dialogue between Messianics and rabbinical Jews, which is fascinating, but can and does get awkward, and more than awkward at times.
I would like to see 50% of the Mods made up of Messianics and Jews.
The other 50%...I guess I don't have a preference.

Except with me. I never ever get feisty or irritable.

Ha, Ha....*snort* *chuckle* yeah, just like the rest of us :D

[ShirChadash]

I have issue with some of those ideas, and I think any Jew should have as well, but I'll just say it's kewl by me -- whatever you all set up here, I will either be here or I won't. It's no skin off my nose and I don't (contrary to some people's thoughts) have any need to "make over" CF to my liking, not even in this area of the board. Okay, since this is just brainstorming, I'm just going to dream.

#1. Vis and I have certainly had our tifs, but she has earned the right to be a mod on this forum. I have no idea what went on, but I think we should push for her to be a mod here.

#2. Can we talk Talmidah into moderating?

#3. As to the general makeup of the panel of mods, here is my dream team: one evangelical, one catholic, one EO to represent the interests of CF, and all the rest evenly split between Messianics and rabbinical Jews. Among Messianics, preference should be given to those who apply as moderators who 1. are actually Jews and 2. actually attend a Messianic congregation (probably as few people volunteer, we'll take whoever we can get!). Justification for this lineup: it appears that stated or not, the primary purpose of this forum is dialogue between Messianics and rabbinical Jews, which is fascinating, but can and does get awkward, and more than awkward at times.

Except with me. I never ever get feisty or irritable.

[anisavta]

Except with me. I never ever get feisty or irritable.

Is it a pill ... a special blend of tea.... ?
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[kivi]

I am going to take a wild guess here....

Tal of course is Talmidah

NT MJ Non-trinitarian Messianic Jew, even though this person is gentile.
MJ Messianic Jew even though this person is a gentile.
UT Unorthodox Theology (?)
NC Nicene Creed
NC MJ Nicene Messianic Jew even though person is gentile.
NC Christian Nicene Creed Christian

How confusing is that? :)

kiv says: I walk up to ChavaK. I reach up and take my wide brimmed peacocked feathered deep purple satin tri-cornered hat in my hand and I do a deep bow, my right leg fully extended, swinging my hat across my chest toward the sod so just the tip of the peacock feather scraps the top of the right toes of my black leather knee high boot. I don't worry about my kipot because I am bald and use double sided tape to hold it on. I finish the bow with a florish and stand up, at attention, waiting for her next comand.:)

[Tishri1]

Things seem to be going fine. Why fix what's not broken? Forget tweaking. Things were moved here because this was the safest place for open talk. The last thing anyone wants is for things to close up again.

As for mods, Vis is the person with the most rights to be mod here. I am personally really angry that she is not.

I also don't understand why Tishri keeps popping up, now that things are set up, since she is NOT a mod here. One of the things which was discussed in advance was the importance of not having the mods from the other forum here, but starting fresh.

On a personal level, OF COURSE it makes sense to have members of each of the various groups as mods. That ain't gonna happen in the new CF folks. I want a pony, but that ain't gonna happen either.
Well, maybe I'm justing being stupid in the no stupid zone, but when mods become involved who are not the mods of the forum, it leaves me feeling wierd like no one is really in charge. When Akathist first gave us the list of mods, I looked up the pages of each and every one of them to try to get to know them better. This is no offense to you personally, Synger (I know you are here to be helpful), but it is distressing to me that yet another mod not on this list responded. I need to feel like there is some semblence of a community here, that I know the people here, and I know the mods I work with. When a random mod just pops up, it just makes me feel like there is no structure. I'm not saying there is no structure. There can be all sorts of structure that I'm not aware of. But that's the point. I need to be aware of it to feel comfortable.The Admins are not listed as Mods because we are not mods.... we over see ALL of CF

[Tishri1]

kivi says: Just what you would expect in a forum in which discussions of Judaism are a primary topic>>>> no Jewish moderators.there is room for both Vis and Tal from what I see, they just need to ask their own Admins requesting this forum:thumbsup:

[Tishri1]

I'm just guessing, but I'm assuming that this forum is being closely watched right now because it's new. I think perhaps Tishri and Synger are watching to make sure things don't erupt. It will settle down, and they're just here right now looking out for our best interest. (I think)

I also think that we're just twitchy over here because we're looking for freedom to discuss our beliefs.

And ChavaK, you are funny. :D And I think you got all the letters right!yes she did:) and yes we are looking out for your best interest we want you to be free to discuss but should you feel that you ALSO need a forum in this area's fellowship area linked both here and in MJ then I will add a poll thread and monitor it from time to time to see if you all change your minds ok just PM myself or Synger if you want us to do that

[Tishri1]

Well site protocol states there needs to be a 80- 20 split (I didnt write this so dont complain to me about it:P)
80% NC (could be NC MJ's or any NC Christian) and 20% NT (NT MJs , Non MJ Jews...but only 20 %) so that would be 2 out of 10 or 1 out of 5.....Agreed....

Ha ha ha ha ha....now you really are dreaming, LOL.

I would like to see 50% of the Mods made up of Messianics and Jews.
The other 50%...I guess I don't have a preference.


Ha, Ha....*snort* *chuckle* yeah, just like the rest of us :D

[GerTzedek]

Eeek. In other words, no matter what, the mods will not be representational... All we can do is simply hope beyond hope that they will listen to the 20% minority (anyone that hopeful?).

My next suggestion? Ten mods: two Protestant, two Catholic, one EO, one NC Messianic, one NT Messianic, one rabbinical Jew.

[ChavaK]

Eeek. In other words, no matter what, the mods will not be representational... All we can do is simply hope beyond hope that they will listen to the 20% minority (anyone that hopeful?).

My next suggestion? Ten mods: two Protestant, two Catholic, one EO, one NC Messianic, one NT Messianic, one rabbinical Jew.

10 mods? That seems like an awful lot, for our little corner of CF....

[ShirChadash]

I absolutely fail to see in any way whatsoever how having *specifically* any EO or RCC mods is remotely necessary, especially since I should think ANY NC moderator can represent CF's "interests" here (what on earth that even means beats me, that's what admin are for).

[ShirChadash]

10 mods? That seems like an awful lot, for our little corner of CF....
ludicrous.

And if we are worried about a representational proportion, why can we simply not have mainly nicene creed messianics, and one non-nicene messianic? We haven't needed a specifically Jewish moderator over us all this time, for that matter, either so why now?

[GerTzedek]

Having 10 is the only way to get both a NT Messianic AND a rabbinical Jew as a mod. There are CURRENTLY ten mods.

[ShirChadash]

I don't know that we even need a rabbinical Jew per se. We've been decently represented by visionary in the past, and she is not a rabbinical Jew. AFAIK no rabbinical Jew was allowed to sit in moderation over the Messianic forum and while it would certainly be nice, I don't honestly think we need to have ten moderators just so we can have a rabbinical Jew. I thought the idea was to keep it simple, sistah, in this section.

[GerTzedek]

Chazak was mod for a while. I thought THAT was nice.

[GerTzedek]

bump

[GerTzedek]

Next question. How loose is CF's understanding of Trinitarian/Nicene? I realize that there was a moratoreum on vis, but that was particular to the MF. Will or will not CF consider Vis to be trinitarian, or will she be our non-trinitarian mod?

[Talmidah]

It looks like Bananna is already your non-nc mod. :)

Bananna http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=109307) , OddBeani http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75818) , BreadAlone http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=158898) , Akathist http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75748) , Hentenza http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=183084) , stumpjumper http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=110704) , WarriorAngel http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=107484) , JonF http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=135152)

[ShirChadash]

Next question. How loose is CF's understanding of Trinitarian/Nicene? I realize that there was a moratoreum on vis, but that was particular to the MF. Will or will not CF consider Vis to be trinitarian, or will she be our non-trinitarian mod? Good question. And I didn't recall that C_E was allowed to mod the Messianic forum itself... Chava too, then, huh?
At any rate, we still have gotten by without a rabbinical Jew moderator, and I don't honestly think complicating the situation with a ton of mods is necessary just so we can have a normative Jew on as a moderator. Personally. I also just don't see the big deal some folks are trying to make here -- we have this forum, it's what we asked for, and if we also have a quiet fellowship forum separate from this, what's wrong with that? The mods for here can be the same mods for there, there doesn't have to be a disconnect or discontinuity between the two fora, but they would be for different purposes and I assume have a little different governing over behavior (stricter) in a fellowship area.
?

Anyway.

[ShirChadash]

It looks like Bananna is already your non-nc mod. :)

Bananna http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=109307) , OddBeani http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75818) , BreadAlone http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=158898) , Akathist http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/purp_mod.gif (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=75748) , Hentenza http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=183084) , stumpjumper http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=110704) , WarriorAngel http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=107484) , JonF http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://christianforums.com/member.php?u=135152)
:thumbsup: I'm good with that...

why can't we have then 4 NC messianics who are already here with us in this forum, interested in being here, etc., and be done with it?

[Tishri1]

Eeek. In other words, no matter what, the mods will not be representational... All we can do is simply hope beyond hope that they will listen to the 20% minority (anyone that hopeful?).

My next suggestion? Ten mods: two Protestant, two Catholic, one EO, one NC Messianic, one NT Messianic, one rabbinical Jew.yes that looks good, and not all the mods show up in every report so chances are you will get 4-5 of ten in each report and the rest will pass seeing its been taken care of:)

[Tishri1]

ludicrous.

And if we are worried about a representational proportion, why can we simply not have mainly nicene creed messianics, and one non-nicene messianic? We haven't needed a specifically Jewish moderator over us all this time, for that matter, either so why now?you can have as many NC MJ Mods as you like:thumbsup:

[Tishri1]

Next question. How loose is CF's understanding of Trinitarian/Nicene? I realize that there was a moratoreum on vis, but that was particular to the MF. Will or will not CF consider Vis to be trinitarian, or will she be our non-trinitarian mod?She's Trin:thumbsup:

[ShirChadash]

yes that looks good, and not all the mods show up in every report so chances are you will get 4-5 of ten in each report and the rest will pass seeing its been taken care of:)

Well there goes that.

What on earth have a RC and an EO to do with Messianic Judaism? Why not have a mod team entirely of NC MJ and non-NC MJ, and Jews then, so we don't have situations crop up where people have fits over words like נשמה (neshama) or accuse the very posting members of this forum of all sorts and kinds of things they aren't doing simply because the mod team has no real experience with Messianicism nor Judaism of any kind and that fact naturally leaves the door open to issues that needn't even be issues to begin with?

If we're going to have as many as ten mods over this area, which I think is a great mistake only likely to set us up for far more moderation than anyone here (I thought) is desiring, then I can't imagine why we can't have the NC folks all be trin MJ and evangelical Chr*tians (who have far more in common with MJ theology than RCC and EO, pardon me for saying) and then have a non-NC MJ and if anyone likes to step up for it, a normative Jew.

Go the route Ger T is suggesting, and I think all the work put into this move will end up being for nothing in the long run, because it will just dissolve into a another forum filled with heaps upon loads of misunderstanding, cries of unfair moderation by folks who naturally do not understand messianicism nor Judaism in any genuine capacity, and offense/constant reporting by people left and right who feel they can do so because they personally don't like insinuation X made by poster Y in a forum that should be more open on topic Z.

Just my .32, and I am sure it matters little in the larger scheme of things.

But if this forum is supposed to truly be mainly for the messianic and Jewish community, adding mods from RCC, EO, or any other groups that really basically have no real tie to Messianic Judaism as a movement/"denomination" (hesitate to use that word, knowing what a "denomination" really is, which MJ is not, but for lack of a better word...) etc., and likely no experience at all with the manner of posting of many if not most people in these groups -- Hebrew, and hebrewisms, included -- then adding mods from those groupings utterly defeats the purpose, IMO, and is a very bad move.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

There goes the neighborhood. I'm only joking. Lol ^_^

[ShirChadash]

There goes the neighborhood. I'm only joking. Lol
^_^

:D :D :D