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Ivy
15th June 2008, 10:03 PM
I was perusing a site called Toward Jerusalem Council II today and would be interested in different people's analysis of it.

An brief excerpt from the site's "No. 1" document/appendix, and link to the site:

http://www.tjcii.org/toward-jerusalem-council-ii-booklet-series.htm

"Toward Jerusalem Council II
The Gentile Response

As Gentile Christians, drawn from the Christian Churches and communities
of the nations, we hear the heart-cry for recognition and
fellowship from our Messianic Jewish brethren, as Jews who have
come to faith in Jesus as Lord, Savior and the Messiah of Israel, and
who seek to live this faith in communities whose worship, teaching
and life-style are distinctively Jewish.

We receive and identify with the vision that one day there will be a
Second Council of Jerusalem at which the leadership of the Church
of the nations (Ecclesia ex gentibus) will recognize and enter into
full fellowship with the resurrected Church of the Circumcision
(Ecclesia ex judaeis), annulling all decrees and legislation against the
Jewish expression of the Church.

We affirm afresh the New Testament vision of Ephesians 2, that the
Church is formed as one new man by the reconciliation of Jew and
Gentile in one body through the cross.

We recognize that for such a Council to take place, all the Gentile
Churches and traditions must be led by the Holy Spirit into a process
of prayer and purification, in which there would be a growing repentance
for:

♦ All preaching and teaching that God has revoked the covenant
with Israel thus denying the teaching of Romans 11:29.
♦ All enforced assimilation of Jewish believers into Gentile
communities, culture and ways of thought.
♦ All forms of anti-Semitism.

We believe that this reconciliation of Jewish and Gentile believers in
Christ will be a fulfillment of the prayer of Jesus in John 17:21 and
that it will add a new dynamic for unity between the Gentile believers.

We confidently hope that this work of reconciliation will unleash
a great wave of evangelism and the restoration of justice among
the divided peoples of the world.

We accept the invitation of our Jewish brothers to work for the
realization of this vision of reconciliation in Christ, and we commit
ourselves to spread this vision in all the Christian Churches and communities
of the nations.

October 25, 2000
Dallas, Texas"

ContraMundum
16th June 2008, 12:15 AM
It's a nice idea...but unless a Council is ecumenical and completely authortative it will just be another joke.

It's a great thought though. Pray and wait to see what God does.

Ivy
16th June 2008, 08:46 AM
Hopefully it will at least inspire people to better attitudes, or at least articulate for them what a better attitude would be.

I agree, some real authority behind it would be the best. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of guys getting together saying, "Now everybody do such-and-so," and everyone else saying, "Oh yeah? Who says? Make me!" :D Kind of like the Articles of Confederation in the early history of the U.S. government.....fingershaking, but no clout.

I've read a couple of Peter Hocken's (Catholic fellow) articles on that sight, and they sure are not replacement theology. I really enjoyed them.

Tishri1
16th June 2008, 01:33 PM
here are the bios
http://www.tjcii.org/Executive-Bios.htm

I know several of these are well known in the MJ movement I would be interested in what they are doing:thumbsup::thumbsup: Sounds alot like Road to Jerusalem only taking it farther:thumbsup:

Ivy
17th June 2008, 11:59 AM
I just heard about Road to Jerusalem a few weeks ago at a conference; it's through IHOP and Coach Bill McCartney, and they want to set up humanitarian aid centers in Israel as a gift from the Christian church. They're calling them.......HaTikva Houses, I think?

Also at the conference I was at, Dan Juster was also asking for Christians to give money to the indigenous humanitarian works already in Israel, like Tents of Mercy. I think they're also considering purchasing a building that may be called House of Healing, which will be another indigenous project.

Great stuff going on.

Lulav
22nd June 2008, 08:31 AM
it's through IHOP and Coach Bill McCartney

Say it isn't so..............................

Oh L-RD how long??? :pray:

Ivy
22nd June 2008, 12:25 PM
I would expect a remark like that from you. *shrug* Totally predictable.

IHOP, for instance, has done 24/7 intercession & worship for Israel for quite some time now.

Bill McCartney left a huge men's movement to give the rest of his life to helping Messianic Jews in Israel. He sacrificed a prestigious national position because of his belief in and support for the Messianic movement and got a lot of flak for doing it from people. He's rough around the edges, but he's trying to be a blessing to the house of Israel.

But don't be gracious by any means. Please continue to be a naysayer. That's always so edifying.

Tishri1
22nd June 2008, 05:13 PM
Bill McCartney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McCartney)

Road To Jerusalem (http://www.roadtojerusalem.org/media/video.php)

Lulav
22nd June 2008, 05:20 PM
I would expect a remark like that from you. *shrug* Totally predictable.

IHOP, for instance, has done 24/7 intercession & worship for Israel for quite some time now.

Bill McCartney left a huge men's movement to give the rest of his life to helping Messianic Jews in Israel. He sacrificed a prestigious national position because of his belief in and support for the Messianic movement and got a lot of flak for doing it from people. He's rough around the edges, but he's trying to be a blessing to the house of Israel.

But don't be gracious by any means. Please continue to be a naysayer. That's always so edifying. I wasn't saying anything 'nay' About Coach McCartney, I know all about the Promise Keepers, and I was even there when he made his descision to drop that and Support the MJ Movement. I was also there when Road to Jerusalem started and just saw Raleigh Washington and his lovely wife a few months ago. I was also there when he and his wife made their commitment, and were so committed that they did not leave when they got word that her mother ( I think it was) had died and she missed the funeral to stand with the Messianic Jews at Messiah. I have nothing but respect for what they are doing. You have no idea why I said what I said, but you presumed the worst of me, yes, that is typical, thanks.:sigh:

Ivy
22nd June 2008, 05:54 PM
Well, go ahead and explain, then, why you would say, "Say it isn't so." Why would you want it to not be so? What's undesirable about this state of affairs?

The reason I don't have an idea why you said what you said is that you did not explain it. I'd be obliged if you would explain how that comment could be taken as a positive one. I get tired of constant negativity.

Lulav
23rd June 2008, 12:28 AM
Then I shan't trouble you with my reasons, nor warnings.

Since I can't tickle ( nor would ever wont) your ears

I shall bid you adieu.

:wave:

Ivy
23rd June 2008, 11:29 AM
And I you.

ShoshanaUK
13th July 2008, 12:24 PM
That's interesting. I had never heard of this organisation before.
Are you familiar with The Jerusalem Council (http://jerusalemcouncil.org/)?

I don't mean to hijack this thread - perhaps another should be created if this is of interest, but on the tjcii website it says:

"As Gentiles are saved, it somehow provokes Jews to jealousy and leads to their salvation." Indeed, this is scriptural, it is something that should be happening.

Do you think this is really happening? If so, how, and if not, why not?

x Shoshana in the UK x

Ivy
13th July 2008, 09:03 PM
To be honest, I don't think that many Jews are provoked to jealousy at this point in time.......if I were them, I'd probably be more provoked to anger by some of the junk that's gone on in history--or maybe just puzzled by the "style" some churches have of approaching God. It just looks to me that the approach can be very different between synagogues and many churches.

Among all the Jews that I know who are believers in Yeshua, I never heard any of them say it was because they were provoked to jealousy.....rather, it was either the genuine love of a Gentile Christian friend, or else they had a dramatic personal encounter with Yeshua.

I....don't really know why that verse is in the Bible, to be honest.......it doesn't look to me like the dynamic that's described in that verse really happens at all. It's a little confusing to me.

Tishri1
16th July 2008, 03:37 PM
maybe it will have a future fulfillment