Is the Mass a Holy Sacrifice and is Transubstantiation true

[Athanasias]

I would like to propose a formal debate on the Nature of the Eucharist and the Mass. Is the Mass a Holy sacrifice, the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary re-presented to Christians and is the Lord truly present(transubstantiation) in the Eucharist. As a Catholic I will be presenting reasons affirming these doctrines.

Time frame- I would allow one to two weeks for responses.

The responses could be as long as 5000 words.

at least 5-7 rounds including opening and closing statements and cross examination periods if the other person desires to do it that way.

Outside sources, such as early Fathers or books may be quoted.

Scripture must be quoted.

Thank you and God bless you all.:liturgy: I look forward to hearing from someone.

In Jesus through Mary,
Athanasias

I would like to debate this as soon as possible.

Debate must be done in a prayerful charitable friendly way.

[BreadAlone]

Okay, if you're still up to it, I am ready! :thumbsup:

I would like to propose a formal debate on the Nature of the Eucharist and the Mass. Is the Mass a Holy sacrifice, the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary re-presented to Christians and is the Lord truly present(transubstantiation) in the Eucharist. As a Catholic I will be presenting reasons affirming these doctrines.

We can either debate the mass as a sacrifice, or the mariology stuff we talked about via PM. Whichever YOU would like.

Time frame- I would allow one to two weeks for responses.

A week sounds fine to me, unless you wanted longer..

The responses could be as long as 5000 words.

I doubt I would get that long anyways, so that is fine by me also..

at least 5-7 rounds including opening and closing statements and cross examination periods if the other person desires to do it that way.

It's hard to say how many rounds at this point..I suppose somewhere between there would be good. I guess I'm thinking 5, but who knows we may need the 7..

Outside sources, such as early Fathers or books may be quoted.

Scripture must be quoted.

Definately on both counts.


Thank you and God bless you all.:liturgy: I look forward to hearing from someone.

In Jesus through Mary,
Athanasias

I would like to debate this as soon as possible.

Debate must be done in a prayerful charitable friendly way.


Of course!!

[Athanasias]

Ok We can debate the sacrifice of Mass as soon as you want to and after wards we can debate the marian dogma's.

I don ot know how to set the debate up so I will need your help!

God Bless you!

[BreadAlone]

Just for the sake of the moderator to create the debate thread:

1) The topic and title of the debate.

Is the Mass a Holy Sacrifice?

2) The members who will be participating in the debate and what positions they will take. Someone will usually affirm a position and someone else will oppose.

Affirmative: Athanasias

Negative: BreadAlone

3) The number of rounds within the debate. If each party makes three alternating posts, that would equal a debate with three rounds.

5

4) Whether the posts will be made concurrently or alternating and which party goes first. Generally the affirmative position goes first but this is flexible.

Alternating posts beginning with the affirmative and concluding with the negative.

6) Time limit between posts. You may select any length of time (within reason) as a maximum amount your opponent may take to formulate a response. If the time limit is 1 week, that means within one week of the affirmative making his/her post, the opposing position needs to reply. The post can be made earlier, of course.


7 Days

7) The maximum length for each post. You can set a limit of say 1000 or even 5000 words for each post in a round. The length is the upper limit.

No Minimum, Maximum 5000 not including quotes.

8) Whether or not quotes and outside references are allowed. Please note that all quotes will fall under the 20% rule but within the scope the participants may decide to disallow quotes or limit them to a certain amount of the overall word total.

All relavent outside sources are allowed.

9) And, finally, the start date of the debate.

Whenever..

[beamishboy]

Is this debate still waiting for the time-keeper?

[Hentenza]

Hi Athanasias and BreadAlone,

I apologize for not seeing this proposal earlier. If both of you agree to the terms then I will create the debate thread. Please confirm your agreement.

[BreadAlone]

Yup yup!

[Athanasias]

I accept the proposal! Lets get started! May the Lord Jesus have mercy on both of us and may the Holy Spirit allow us to listen to each others position with reverence and understanding! Amen!

[simonthezealot]

Woo hoo good one, get the peanut gallery going as well hentenza...Thanks.

[Hentenza]

Formal debate thread is here (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7250921) and the peanut gallery thread is here (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7250919).

Good luck to both participants.

[Hentenza]

Formal debate thread is here (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7250921) and the peanut gallery thread is here (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7250919).

Good luck to both participants.