What Should "Grafted In" Mean?

[Ivy]

Interested in a variety of opinions from people :cool:

The NT states that Gentile believers in Yeshua/Jesus have been grafted in to the commonwealth of Israel.

What does this mean in practical terms?

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[Tishri1]

I think it means into the Messianic Kingdom of Jews and Gentiles under Yeshua:groupray:

[HaReb]

Not a lot as far as the forum rules are concerned, judging by the number of threads appearing on this and related issues!

[Steve Petersen]

R. Eleazar further stated: What is meant by the text, And in thee shall the families of the earth be blessed? The Holy One, blessed be He, said to Abraham, `I have two goodly shoots to engraft on you: Ruth the Moabitess and Naamah the Ammonitess'.16 All the families of the earth, even the other families who live on the earth are blessed only for Israel's sake. All the nations of the earth, even the ships that go from Gaul to Spain are blessed only for Israel's sake.

Yevamoth 63a

It appears that the Talmud understands the idea to mean becoming part of Israel, like Ruth did. IMO, there was a common proverb that was the source of this d'rash. which Eleazer and Paul allude to. Paul makes it into a spirtual allegory rather than one of ethnicity.

[Tishri1]

Not a lot as far as the forum rules are concerned, judging by the number of threads appearing on this and related issues!please dont derail this thread

[Tishri1]

R. Eleazar further stated: What is meant by the text, And in thee shall the families of the earth be blessed? The Holy One, blessed be He, said to Abraham, `I have two goodly shoots to engraft on you: Ruth the Moabitess and Naamah the Ammonitess'.16 All the families of the earth, even the other families who live on the earth are blessed only for Israel's sake. All the nations of the earth, even the ships that go from Gaul to Spain are blessed only for Israel's sake.

Yevamoth 63a

It appears that the Talmud understands the idea to mean becoming part of Israel, like Ruth did. IMO, this d'rash is the source of Paul's statement, though he takes it in a more spiritual sense.Yes it would appear so, you know the evidence has been there all thru out History that we are grafted into them as they are grafted into God:)

[Skeeterbug]

it means you become a part of the branch and you recieve some of the promises

[HalcyonFire]

looking at plants, grafting in means that the branch gets life from the vine, nourishment and strength, but correct me if I'm wrong, it's never the same as the original vine, nor does it necessarily have to produce the same fruit, does it? (I understand you can graft different types of grapes together and produce different types on the same vine).... does that have any implications for anyone?

[Tishri1]

it means you become a part of the branch and you recieve some of the promises Amen!!!

looking at plants, grafting in means that the branch gets life from the vine, nourishment and strength, but correct me if I'm wrong, it's never the same as the original vine, nor does it necessarily have to produce the same fruit, does it? (I understand you can graft different types of grapes together and produce different types on the same vine).... does that have any implications for anyone?Amen as well:)...I have heard from a few Rabbi's on this and what one said was really cool....The Natural Olive tree sometimes needs a Wild Olive grafting and visa versa....

The Natural can become fruitless because of reasons I cant remember (remember Yeshua cursing the fruitless Olive Tree?)

Grafting in a Wild Olive will make the tree bear much fruit again, as wild olives abound in fruit.

But the Wild Olive needs the Natural Olive to make its fruit taste good, its a bitter taste without the Natural Olive there to make it palatable :)

No kidding thats what I heard...isnt it just tooo cool:thumbsup:

[HalcyonFire]

i was under the impression he cursed a fig tree, but I do see what you're saying :)

[ShoshanaUK]

Hi, I'm new.

I personally believe it means that we become heirs of the Covenant (as if we were literal heirs of Abraham), which means in practical terms that Torah becomes the pattern for our lives, and the blessings and the cursings attached apply to us.

A Jewish friend of mine told me that the only thing that doesn't apply to us is the law of land inheritance... but I'm not convinced (from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates is a big area!... and plus, when the Kingdom comes, the whole earth will be filled with His glory!)

[Tishri1]

well in the wilderness under Moshe when they entered in to the promised land, If I am understanding this correctly groups were assigned land under the 12 tribes and the foreigners were granted possession under these tribes as they were grafted into these tribes but I dont know all the nitty gritty details:)

[Kris10leigh]

I think of the word "grafted" as it relates to a skin graft. You take the skin from some other place, say the leg, and graft it on the arm. The skin is foreign at first but is stitched on and eventually assimilates itself until little difference can be detected. But there is always a scar or visible evidence that it was not originally a part of the arm.

We can take it a step further and relate to the discussion about taking a gentile and grafting the gentile into the Messianic faith. If you take white skin and graft it to brown skin, the white skin will merge with the brown skin, but it will never be brown.

[Tishri1]

:thumbsup: excellent kris