uncovered man is a theif -rabbinic

[Bananna]

TRADITIONAL CLOTHING RULE: Jews keep their heads covered. For men, this is done most easily with a skull cap called a kippah (in Hebrew), or a yarmulka (in Yiddish).
There is no mention in the Torah about head coverings. Not one. In fact, the Egyptian and Mesopotamian pictures we have of Canaanites and Hebrews show them long-haired and bare-headed. Even during the Greek and Roman periods, pictures show Jews to be bare-headed. However, during that same time, our Sages stated that it was important for Jews to cover their heads .

The Talmud (Shabbat 156b) assumes that anyone who goes without a head covering is going to become a thief: " For R. Nahman b. Isaac's mother was told by astrologers, Your son will be a thief. [So] she did not let him [be] bareheaded, saying to him, ‘Cover your head so that the fear of heaven may be upon you, and pray [for mercy]'. Now, he did not know why she spoke that to him. One day he was sitting and studying under a palm tree; The evil inclination overcame him, he climbed up and bit off a cluster [of dates] with his teeth (from the tree which didn't belong to him, thus making him a thief).

Apparently, not even scholars covered their heads until they were married. In Kiddushin 29b we read: R. Hisda praised R. Hamnuna before R. Huna as a great man. Said he to him, ‘When he visits you, bring him to me. When he arrived, he saw that he wore no [head-]covering.
‘Why have you no head-dress?' asked he.
‘Because I am not married,' was the reply.
Thereupon he [R. Huna] turned his face away from him.
‘See to it that you do not appear before me [again] before you are married,' said he.


For Visionary I'm starting this thread of orthodox practice.
I got the quote from an on line Jewish site, probably Chabad.org but I'm not sure. It was part of understanding the tradition, which Paul states is the reason for the command of Yeshua for the congregation standard to be:
1 Corinthians 11

To understand the word play I figured I better find out what the teachings and traditions were.

Especially because the strict ending of the commentary on head covers states in Greek
If anyman be contentious let him not hold himself to the assembly of the God.

So I figured I should get it right with some study.

[visionary]

Thanks banana, I have always wondered where the men got started with the head covering and why..

[Bananna]

during the time of the babalonian dispersion the head of household began to be known as a priest of the family. He there fore would have a token on his head in representation of his headship.

So head coverings came from the society in general. The priest being the example always had a hat to wear. In that day it was disrespectful to come before any king with one's head uncovered.

It would actually be more interesting to see if we can find a place where culture dictated that one uncover their head in front of the king.

The priest were told to tie up their hair off their shoulders, thus the standard of short hair for the priest still was long enough to tie back.

So the greek comparison of a womans flowing hair being a glory to her and a mans being a shame points to an alternate understanding of the man not having a veil of hair before God. IMO The Greek actually talks about a man not praying with his head down.

So when you see a man leading at sabbath meal does he not look up and pray and a woman looks down, covers her head and hands cover her face.

Now I Paul asks for us to judge for ourselves if it is right for a man to come before God with hair let down. I know I've always been uncomfortable with a man with hair not tied back off his shoulders in a formal or worship setting. I never could put my finger on it. I have no discomfort at other times seeing it. Been that way as long as I can remember since before studying these things. So seeing the part about the priest tieing back their hair really made me remember this point of discomfort.

blessings
bananna

[Bananna]

Another thing about the short hair issue. The shaving of the temples was forbidden so the standard clean cut baptist look might have been offensive to the Jews or at least unacceptable and yet the pictures I see of Roman solders have two things in them.

Helmet removed before caesar and short shaven hair. No lack of beards.

I have a personal opinion that the shaven men look came from a worship of youth and desire for the young. Our society today also worships youth, so the boyish looks are promoted.

Anyhow, I have no idea how anyone today gets the idea one should have a shaven man.

[GerTzedek]

Men should be men and women should be women. Basically, men can grow beards and women can't, thus having a beard is something which distinguishes men from women. Therefore, a manly man has a beard.

Banana, I agree with you, I think that shaving had its origins in looking like an adolescent. Greek society was very much into pederasty.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

For Visionary I'm starting this thread of orthodox practice.
I got the quote from an on line Jewish site, probably Chabad.org but I'm not sure. It was part of understanding the tradition, which Paul states is the reason for the command of Yeshua for the congregation standard to be:
1 Corinthians 11

To understand the word play I figured I better find out what the teachings and traditions were.

Especially because the strict ending of the commentary on head covers states in Greek
If anyman be contentious let him not hold himself to the assembly of the God.

So I figured I should get it right with some study. The scull cap is a symbol. It's use started during the time the Hellenistic Jews were in control of the temple. The shape of the cap is a circle for which is making a statement that the person is a god. If the Orthodox Jews want to ware it, fine. But I do not think that it is appropriate for a Messianic to ware one. To the Orthodox Jews, Jesus was a thief. Do you get it?
Messianics should not associate themselves with secret societies.

[Henaynei]

The scull cap is a symbol. It's use started during the time the Hellenistic Jews were in control of the temple. The shape of the cap is a circle for which is making a statement that the person is a god. If the Orthodox Jews want to ware it, fine. But I do not think that it is appropriate for a Messianic to ware one. To the Orthodox Jews, Jesus was a thief. Do you get it?
Messianics should not associate themselves with secret societies.as bannana pointed out the headcovering for the Jewish male started long before the Hasmonean Dynasty... the only thing that *might* have been secret at the time of it's inception was keeping the presence of the covering hidden from those in that society (Babylon) who had it in for the Jews.... there were quite a few if you remember....