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trinityisunity
26th May 2008, 12:25 AM
Not only does the church get attacked and bad words spoken against it from outside the church, we the church are also under attack from within. I refer to 'Liberal' or progressive Christianity. I viewed a show a few months ago on a 'Uniting' church in Australia's capital-Canberra. This church preached that the miracles Jesus performed were not at all performed, the resurrection did not happen, the virgin birth is thrown out also and the deity of Christ was denied.

Now, my Bible does not support any of these ridiculous stances that this church has taken. I was angered by the false beliefs that are being peddled out there to try and water down our Christianity. I shared this with our church one Sunday morning and all present were disgusted in the unBiblical beliefs that are out there.

The church in our town that follows these sort of beliefs is having a conference down here soon and a part of me would love to go to tell the true Gospel. I am just so passionate about the Word of God being taught correctly and we as Bible believing Christians need to speak out against these sort of untruths. The deity of Christ is crucial to our beliefs. All the cults deny the divinity of Christ but we the Christian believers must speak the truth!!!

LovebirdsFlying
26th May 2008, 09:37 AM
I am a social liberal but a religious conservative. As such, I hold very strong beliefs, but I don't expect everyone to think like me. My opinion is that walks with God are up to the individual. I respect other viewpoints, as long as they are strongly and firmly stated. Seeing a congregation refuse to take a stand, for fear of offending someone, disgusts me. I refer to some of those wishy-washy congregations as, "a little bit of everything, and a lot of nothing." I left a church that was too "inclusive" for my taste, because it started trying to cater to the lowest common denominator rather than stand up for Christ and His Word. "This week we'll do things the Roman Catholic way, and next week we'll do things the Wiccan way...." :eek: Excuse me? You're a church. Don't you have your OWN viewpoints?

There is a certain "church" denomination that not only refrains absolutely from the mention of Jesus Christ, but even belief in God is not required. They will make no definite statement on any issue. Whatever anyone believes is all right. I attended one of their services once. Emphasis on once. Since the church is by definition the body of Christ, how can they leave Him out and still call themselves a church? :confused: Mind you, I don't object to their existence. I merely question their use of the word "church," and it certainly isn't for me.

This said, I also don't like churches that come across as "my way of thinking is the only correct one, and if you don't interpret the Word the same way I do, you're going to hell." Been there. Done that.

As for the service you attended--WHAT???? I don't call it liberal or progressive. I call it unChristian. Liberal and progressive are something different.

TimRout
26th May 2008, 09:54 AM
Those who depart the essential doctrines of the Christian faith can call themselves "Christians" all they like, but they're not. There be wolves among the sheep -- but that's nothing new.

DeaconDean
27th May 2008, 12:28 AM
The only thing I would add to this discussion is that in Mt. 4, Jesus reebuked Satan three times by saying "It is written." Jesus evidently regarded the word God spoke nearly 3000 years early as His authority, and "unchanged," so why would we need to change the words that were written 2000 years ago and give it an "updated" version, or "liberal" meaning?

"What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do." -Isa. 46:11 (KJV)

"I am the Lord, I change not" -Mal. 3:6 (KJV)

Seems to me, if God does not change, then His word will not change neither.

Alas, some think it does, or needs to.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Harry3142
29th May 2008, 03:02 PM
There are those who want to make Christianity subordinate to what they consider as 'natural' or 'scientific'. In many cases it soon becomes apparent that they have elevated these terms to the position of idol worship.

Idolatry is not limited to the worship of Zeus, Isis or Baal. It is the elevation of any other concept, be it social or scientific, to the status of Christianity's answering to it.

-~Truth_N_Trust~-
29th May 2008, 05:43 PM
Interesting thread. I think I saw the same program about that uniting church some months ago, and yes I was thoroughly disgusted. Like LoveBirdsFlying, I understand that they are entitled to their own beliefs, but to call themselves in any way, shape or form 'Christian' is insulting and misleading.
To basically make up their own faith and stick on names like 'Jesus' and 'Christ' with no actual recognition of the truth of those names is... well... evil. And I don't say that lightly.

edb19
29th May 2008, 05:59 PM
Nothing new under the sun - that's why Paul (and others) wrote letters to the early churches, why Jesus, through John, addressed churches in Revelation.

Years ago I was a member of a mainline protestant church. I remember sitting in a Sunday morning service there once and the speaker (a guest pastor) stood in the pulpit and said that we can't attribute such things as the sermon on the mount and the Lord's prayer to Jesus. Those were his two examples, but he went on to say that Jesus the Christ probably didn't say most of what Scripture quotes Him as saying. He even made a comment about "red letter" Bibles.

Now granted he was a guest speaker, but I was offended that my pastor wasn't more protective of the pulpit. At the time it took everything I had not to get up and walk out in the middle of the service. In retrospect I wish I had. That said, I started looking for a new church the next week.

LovebirdsFlying
29th May 2008, 07:59 PM
Years ago I was a member of a mainline protestant church. I remember sitting in a Sunday morning service there once and the speaker (a guest pastor) stood in the pulpit and said that we can't attribute such things as the sermon on the mount and the Lord's prayer to Jesus. Those were his two examples, but he went on to say that Jesus the Christ probably didn't say most of what Scripture quotes Him as saying. He even made a comment about "red letter" Bibles.
:sigh: tsk, tsk.