Warning of Judgment

[aaron777]

Hello all,

The other morning upon awaking I heard the Holy Spirit instruct me to warn people of judgment coming to the United States.

In this election it is crucial that we elect someone that is pro-life; McCain doesn't take a firm stance on this but I'm convinced that he's a born-again Christian and that he will be more apt to listen to what the Church has to say than someone from the other side.

If McCain can add 2 pro-life justice's then it is possible that Roe versus Wade can be overturned in the next four years.

This will be pivotal in their being a national revival - we will have to have some sort of national revival just to get this done... something has to happen.

On the other hand, and this seems to be where we're headed, if we elect a president that is not sympathetic to the plight of the unborn, the proverbial millstone around our necks will drown our nation and the church in the depths of the sea - we will go into a moral free fall and experience wave after wave of God's judgments.

The country that sacrifices the life of the unborn on the alters of it's lust, desire of convenience and for the sake of it standard of living is the nation that will have it's economic means stripped from it...

It looks like if we don't do something now, we may never have another chance to reverse these abortion laws. Jesus said that inasmuch as you did it for the least of these my brethren, you did it for me...

God bless,
Aaron

[trentlogain]

As for the here and now I don't see any healing for this country and the stance that it takes concerning Israel (trying to get them to give up their land) they will have to answer to God. The best I can do is try to obey God.

Three things people are going to be judged by at God's final judgement
(Romans: 2)
1. People are going to be judged by the truth. (The Word of God)
2. People are going to be judged by their deeds. (their works)
3. People are going to be judged by their secrets. (their hearts)

[nzguy]

yeah.. saying the Holy Spirit has told you to do something has to be backed up by scriptural support.. if it doesn't sit right with scripture.. it ain't from the Holy Spirit!

As for warning of end times.. coming judgment.. man that warning has been around since Old Testament times!

I think it is pretty fair now to say we at the end of the end times tho.. check out the degradation of morality.. the increasing imbalance in teh world's ecosystem causing disasters.. the rise of Charismania...

teh stage is set for the Anti-Christ to come in..... it's pretty clear... but if you were (not that you are) saying the exact date and time.. that is getting crazy

[TimRout]

Hello all,

The other morning upon awaking I heard the Holy Spirit instruct me to warn people of judgment coming to the United States. By what authority do you make this statement? How do you know it was the Spirit of God who gave you this message? More importantly, how can WE know it was the Spirit of God who gave you this message? I am a conservative evangelical. If you want to convince me of something, I strongly suggest you found your statements on carefully exegeted Scripture.

In this election it is crucial that we elect someone that is pro-life; McCain doesn't take a firm stance on this but I'm convinced that he's a born-again Christian and that he will be more apt to listen to what the Church has to say than someone from the other side. Let me see if I get this straight....

Somehow, you have deduced that McCain -- a pseudo-Episcopalian/Bapticostal -- is a born again Christian, because.........? Is this another example of spiritual intuition on your part? I don't know, bud. I could be wrong, but it seems like every time Johnny opens his mouth, he spews forth words no born again Christian could possibly espouse. For example, when answering questions about the pending gay-marriage ban, CNN reported McCain as saying, "The constitutional amendment we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans."


If McCain can add 2 pro-life justice's then it is possible that Roe versus Wade can be overturned in the next four years. While God is not inhibited from using any government -- even a liberal government -- to His glory, He generally transforms nations by transforming the hearts of their people [Psalm 51:6; Joshua 24:15]. Roe v Wade will be overturned when a sufficient number of Americans are so radically converted to Christ that the utter weight of public opinion demands it. Blessing follows obedience .

This will be pivotal in their being a national revival - we will have to have some sort of national revival just to get this done... something has to happen. Again, by what authority do you employ the affirmative "will"?
On the other hand, and this seems to be where we're headed, if we elect a president that is not sympathetic to the plight of the unborn, the proverbial millstone around our necks will drown our nation and the church in the depths of the sea - we will go into a moral free fall and experience wave after wave of God's judgments. The "proverbial millstone" has a context attached to it [Matthew 18:6; Mark 9:42; Luke 17:2] -- namely, causing a young Christian to sin. Now then, if a child became pregnant and was forced to undergo an abortion, that might be a legitimate application of this passage within the abortion issue. But applying this caution broadly to an entire nation based on who they elect to office is hermeneutically irresponsible.
The country that sacrifices the life of the unborn on the alters of it's lust, desire of convenience and for the sake of it standard of living is the nation that will have it's economic means stripped from it... There you go using "will" again. By what authority? And if you say "the Holy Spirit told me", then perhaps you might explain the Scriptural basis upon which we could come to share your convictions? After all, we can make a biblical case that God [I]might bring economic disaster upon a nation, but not that He will. Again, I'm as pro-life as the next believer, but your merging of this issue with the upcoming elections is biblically baseless.

It looks like if we don't do something now, we may never have another chance to reverse these abortion laws. Jesus said that inasmuch as you did it for the least of these my brethren, you did it for me...

God bless,
AaronMatthew 25:40 is set in the context of the final judgment. Are you claiming that if McCain doesn't get elected, God will therefore initiate final judgment on the earth (or nation)? Again, BY WHAT AUTHORITY? How do you know that this is America's last chance to reverse the abortion laws? You need to spend more time in the Word, my friend.

[arunma]

Somehow, the fire 'n brimstone is far too tempered when it's followed by an admonition to vote for a political party. Don't get me wrong: I'm as pro-life as the next Christian, and I believe that it is right to warn people of the just wrath of God that is going to be poured out on those who don't belong to Christ. But I see no Scriptural support for the idea that God supports one of America's two major political parties. The Democrats and Republicans each have their share of ungodliness. For every Democratic child-murderer, there is a Republican corporate hypocrite who gets rich off the backs of the poor and then spews Christian rhetoric for the sole purpose of protecting his wealth by electing more Republicans. I see no reason to support a devourer of widows' homes over a person who believes in destroying infants.

I believe that Christians should vote their conscience, and that political issues need to be discussed in the church. But your revelation doesn't agree with Scripture, therefore it couldn't have come from God. Not to mention the absurdity that a practicing Catholic could be a born-again Christian. I doubt that many Christians would associate with an apostate church such as the Catholic Church.

[JohnDB]

I think that someone needs a refresher course in what the Bible says.

In Daniel it says that God sets up leaders and deposes them...not us...we may be an agent by which HE does this...but it is always God.

And as far as the disliking of two candidates....well...we, the church, have failed miserably...we don't have nuclear families any longer as the leading demographic in america...and have failed to minister to the single parent families by and large...there are exceptions...but we have failed by and large...how much longer God is going to put up with us is going to be a good mystery.

[AMOG]

Tim Rocks!!!! :)

[WarEagle]

Hello all,

The other morning upon awaking I heard the Holy Spirit instruct me to warn people of judgment coming to the United States.

In this election it is crucial that we elect someone that is pro-life; McCain doesn't take a firm stance on this but I'm convinced that he's a born-again Christian and that he will be more apt to listen to what the Church has to say than someone from the other side.

If McCain can add 2 pro-life justice's then it is possible that Roe versus Wade can be overturned in the next four years.

This will be pivotal in their being a national revival - we will have to have some sort of national revival just to get this done... something has to happen.

On the other hand, and this seems to be where we're headed, if we elect a president that is not sympathetic to the plight of the unborn, the proverbial millstone around our necks will drown our nation and the church in the depths of the sea - we will go into a moral free fall and experience wave after wave of God's judgments.

The country that sacrifices the life of the unborn on the alters of it's lust, desire of convenience and for the sake of it standard of living is the nation that will have it's economic means stripped from it...

It looks like if we don't do something now, we may never have another chance to reverse these abortion laws. Jesus said that inasmuch as you did it for the least of these my brethren, you did it for me...

God bless,
Aaron

Aaron, there are a couple of problems with this.

The first is that you give no scripture to back up this alleged "prophecy".

The second is that the idea of God judging nations is a distinctly Old Covenant concept.

While it's true that abortion brings terrible consequences, that's quite a bit different than judgement. God now deals with people on an individual basis.

Revival can't be legislated. It is a matter of the heart, starting with repentance and the preaching of the Gospel.

My personal opinion is that, while Roe v Wade is bad law, the abortion battle must first be won in the heart, on a grass roots level. Polls show that public opinion has been gradually swinging toward an attitude that abortion is a bad thing. Not outright "pro-life" or "anti-abortion", but certainly eyes are being opened slowly but surely.

[VT_Boy]

Vote for Rick and Bubba for president. They're pro-life. :D
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[TimRout]

Tim Rocks!!!! :)Thank-you. Very kind. All glory to God!

That said, a friend privately pointed out that I did, in fact, make a boo boo (now corrected). John McCain was born Protestant Episcopalian, not Roman Catholic. I had read a book (or article?) by McCain a few years ago in which he spoke of his strong "catholic" convictions -- employing the term universally -- and I mistook his meaning. Nevertheless, the matter is amended, with my apologies. :crossrc:

[JustinWilliams]

...
This will be pivotal in their being a national revival - we will have to have some sort of national revival just to get this done... something has to happen.
...

The only thing that will cause a revival in the United States, or the world for that matter, is for each and every pastor to stand the behind the pulpit and preach Christ crucified for sinners. :preach:

[A Brother In Christ]

Hello all,

The other morning upon awaking I heard the Holy Spirit instruct me to warn people of judgment coming to the United States.
God bless,
Aaron


God only spanks the believer right now.... 1 cor 11:30-32

He calls unbelievers in kindness with the good new... romans 2:4

What you are doing is helping them harden their hearts

[nzguy]

The Barnum Pesonality Affect:

a Psychologist has a client who is feeling depressed and down.. but the Psychologist knows that this client is not really that sick, and doesn't really need counselling, (basically the client is talking themselves into depression.. not clinically depressed).

So.. the Psychologist gives them a personality profile after interviewing.

The personality profile is a set one that is given to ANYONE.. a pre-prepared, postitive and affirming profile to give the Psychological equivalent of the placebo affect..

the client then thinks this profile is about them in particular and begins to start feeling positive.. positive chemicals are produced by the brain.. the symptoms begin to ease..

This affect.. applies to horoscopes.. witchcraft.. and the kind of unbiblical future prophecying you see around alot.

The person making the statement.. says something general enough to apply to anyone.. with a few specifics to make people think.. 'this really must be true! Or this really is about me!'

When really, it is something that is either pre-prepared -as is the case for star signs and horoscopes.. emotionally based - as is the case for alot so called prophecy.. or simply from forces other than Jesus, deceiving people.

So if you say 'the Holy Spirit told me this..' you are getting into a very dangerous position.. because if the Holy Spirit really told you the future.. it could never be wrong! It would have to be 100 percent that it will happen.. because it is God giving you the message!

So if it so happens that whatever you say doesn't happen.. well...

God really hates that, when you use His name for something that isn't true.. in fact.. prophets that got it wrong in biblical times were stoned to death!

So.. although that rule isn't instituted now obviously.. the principle behind it in what God thinks about prophecy that doesn't happen.. is pretty clear! God is being very very graceful these days with the likes of Benny Hinn and co..

thank God for mercy

[A Brother In Christ]

The Barnum Pesonality Affect:

a So if you say 'the Holy Spirit told me this..' you are getting into a very dangerous position.. because if the Holy Spirit really told you the future.. it could never be wrong! It would have to be 100 percent that it will happen.. because it is God giving you the message!

So if it so happens that whatever you say doesn't happen.. well...

God really hates that, when you use His name for something that isn't true.. in fact.. prophets that got it wrong in biblical times were stoned to death!



If the Holy Spirit showed you this ..... are they Glorifing the Son.... John 15:26

How about what scripture..... 2 cor 2:9-12, John 1:1,4-5, jn 3:19