Hi...So tell me, please...

[ProfessorMom]

How is a Messianic Hebrew Christian defined?
Is this a new movement? (not the forum - the movement)
Are there any references I might read?
How does this differ from Hebrew Christians, if it does?
How does this differ from Orthodox Messianic Judaism, if it does?

So many questions, I know. But I thank you in advance for your answers. :)

[Tishri1]

How is a Messianic Hebrew Christian defined?
Is this a new movement? (not the forum - the movement)
Are there any references I might read?
How does this differ from Hebrew Christians, if it does?
How does this differ from Orthodox Messianic Judaism, if it does?

So many questions, I know. But I thank you in advance for your answers. :)Hi Girlfriend!!!:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

I am sure others here can answer this as well, so please everyone help my sweeeeeeeeeeeet Sis (I love Her:hug:) with these Qs

1.Is this a new movement? (not the forum - the movement)

Not really according to the MJAA the term Hebrew Christian came before the term Messianic Jew and are both seen as Jews who have been Born Again (older term used) and are now believers in Yeshua the Messiah

The reason the name Messianic Hebrew Christian Forum was chosen was because we needed to host a subforum for those who are MJ but still attend the Church and feel that sort of calling to the church weather to teach and instruct in the Jewish Roots of Christianity or because they just love to be apart of both groups of Brothers and Sisters in Messiah:wave:

2.How is a Messianic Hebrew Christian defined?

In addition to what I said already.....

Hebrew Christian started out as the original way to define Jewish believers in Messiah but that doesnt mean its still exactly the same as the term Messianic Judaism TODAY....IMO BOTH terms are ever changing and being defined as the movement grows....The obvious difference is seen in the two names

MY some what lame definitions ( because everyone has a slightly different way to define it):P


Messianic Judaism (Follower of Yeshua with in Judaism)
Hebrew Christian(Jewish follower of Yeshua)

one definitely has an attachment to the Faith of Judaism which was the religion that Christianity was birth out of-Yeshua did not start a different Religion

and the other doesnt state specifically what Faith this follower Of Yeshua is living by, so it could be assumed to be either Christianity or Judiasm or BOTH

All that to say......The reason why this forum is called Messianic Hebrew Christian is to reinforce the idea that it can be BOTH:)... to get the message across that you could be close to Judaism and Christianity and be welcome here.

Respect for Both kinds of MJ will be important in this forum so that all the discussions in here can be edifying to the members and those who happen to pass by:)

3. Are there any references I might read?

Hmmmmm many but I dont have any off hand....Any one else got some to offer? Often if you just read the testimonies of those who grew up before WW2 and on to the present day, and you will see how this movement started (or resurrected from the 1st century;)) and has since grown up around us to be very popular in these last days.

4. How does this differ from Hebrew Christians, if it does?

There are alot of folks defining the Hebrew Christian, some definitions seem to cause a great deal of disunity and others are very unifying-can you guess which ones I love:groupray:?

IMO you cannot completely define the HC one way and that goes for the MJ as well...I can only tell you what I know about them


They either go to church or minister regularly in the church and LOVE their Christian Brothers and Sisters with all their heart
They tend to not be too affected by the differences between the two Faiths.
They often have a desire for some things Jewish and also some things Christian and will be seen participating in both for meetings and celebrations
They Feel comfortable in either Messianic Synagogue or Christian Church and could even be seen attending both( That would be ME):wave:

5. How does this differ from Orthodox Messianic Judaism, if it does?

Messianic Judaism can be identical and thats why its hard to pin down a difference here.....IMO the only difference I have seen is that MJ has evolved into a distinct Organization now with its own congregations and synagogues which in the past use to be just meetings of small groups with in the church setting and now has blossomed into a Movement that stands on her own

HMMMM I guess you could say that independence has in small ways distanced her from the church for the MJ, but not all MJs feel the separation, so that is not an absolute...BUT definitely the MJs meet outside the church and have their own distinct personality like other denominations do and that could be the defining difference if any one thing is it:)

Another difference is the rush to keep their identity and heritage alive and viable...by rush I mean its a movement that is literally sweeping across the world and IMO is a sign to all of us :groupray:that the Lord may not tarry much longer

Its definitely a good thing:)

[Kris10leigh]

Hello! This is my first post in this new section! :cool: I'm very excited!

Thanks for the very long explanation there, Tish! Much appreciated.

I have little to add except to reinforce the MJs are a very diverse group of individuals with vast differing backgrounds. There are those who are Jewish coming into a belief that the Messiah has come. And then there are gentiles who feel we need to get back to Jewish roots and follow Yeshua in a more Jewish way.

I fit the latter. I'm so excited for this subforum because I feel like such a baby in this MJism and sometimes I feel inadequate. (All brought on myself) But I haven't given up my Christian roots, exactly. It's a journey, and along this lengthy path, I'm a whole lot closer to where I started (Christianity) than to my destination.

I'm babbling now. ^_^

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[Lulav]

How is a Messianic Hebrew Christian defined?
Is this a new movement? (not the forum - the movement)
Are there any references I might read?
How does this differ from Hebrew Christians, if it does?
How does this differ from Orthodox Messianic Judaism, if it does?

So many questions, I know. But I thank you in advance for your answers. :)Shalom Prof!

I see you have received many answers, now if I may just add a thing or two. I believe it is for the purpose of our unique structure and make-up of our members here that this forum name came to be. It really isn't a name in mainstream or even off mainstream Messianic Judaism. But there are some who apply.

Basically a Messianic Hebrew Christian is one who was

A. Born Jewish
B. Found Messiah
C. Worships on Sunday
D. Still keeps the Torah

( take off the keeping of Torah and you take off the Messianic part and basically the keeping to Torah teaching, Kashrut, Shabbat keeping, biblical feasts etc)

Now this forum is not just for that special and unique member but also for those who like to keep one foot in both camps, so to speak. They enjoy visiting Messianic congregations on Shabbat, and like to participate in the feasts with Messianic believers , but still have ties to their churches, and feel a calling there.

It is not so much about faith or practice but a calling. Some are lead into a more 'Orthodox/Traditional' way of their faith expression, only in a prescribed manner as in Torah. For example, they will only keep the feast of Passover and Unleavened bread but not Good Friday and Easter. Those you will find in the more Orthodox section here.

So as you see, it really isn't a movement to speak of or denomination, but a calling.

Those who were born Jewish but found Messiah and choose to worship in a Christian/Church setting are normally called Hebrew Christians. Those who were born Jewish and then found Messiah in a Christian setting or a Messianic setting and wish to celebrate as our ancestors and culture teach, will gravitate to Messianic congregations which worship on Shabbat starting on Friday night. Most then consider Sunday the first day of the work week and do not 'rest' or do other things as dictated by the church.

Orthodox Messianic Judaism is your basic Messianic Jew and sometimes gentile who believe the guidelines in Torah are still in effect, and must be adhered to. It varies how they go about this, some by Messianic teachings other more towards traditional orthodox Judaism following the halacha ( the teaching of the way to put into practice the commandments) of the Rabbi's.

I did try to make it as simple as possible , I hope I didn't mess that up with too many words!:doh:

:)

[ContraMundum]

I agree with the gist of what's said above, with the caveat that many of us would say that our day or worship is everyday, but we still keep Shabbos anyway, 'cos we're Jews. :)

Also, some of us feeled called to the mainstream churches, for various reasons that include things like "reforming from the inside (in the positive, not negative way)", "preparing a place for others to come" etc.

I personally am presently called to serve in the Church that I find myself in. That is something I cannot nor feeled compelled to change. I actually see so much of the Hebraic there that to my mind, one can have the full Gospel there should one wish to seek it out. Having said that, I'm an ardent supporter of Messianic congregations of other persuasions. God is in charge, He will bring His will to earth as we are told to pray for it. It's all good to me.