Are conservative christians for war or against it?

[equal eyes]

Answer that, and then answer this....

Are you for or against abortion?

[MrJim]

Howdy equal eyes, welcome to CF generally and the Conservative forum specifially :cool:

Coming from something of an anabaptist POV I would be against participating in any military service~and I am former USMC~(and I'll probably be the only one on that view here) and prolife~that said I do not fight against a nation's right to wage their wars (Rom 13).

[Criada]

I am anti war and anti abortion.

[PaladinGirl]

I am anti war and anti abortion.

Same here. :)

[Hentenza]

Anti war and anti abortion.

[rmw8855]

I doubt very many people are in favor of war, but that doesn't mean that sometimes it isn't necessary in order to fight evil (i.e. Hitler).

I am anti-abortion.

[Izdaari]

I doubt very many people are in favor of war, but that doesn't mean that sometimes it isn't necessary in order to fight evil (i.e. Hitler).
QFT! :amen:


I am mostly theologically conservative; I qualify as one by this forum's SoF, but probably just barely. Politically, I'm somewhere between a libertarian and a conservative, but more libertarian.

If you ask if I'm against war in general, I'd have to say yes. Is anybody for war in the abstract? But there are things worse than war. It all depends on the specifics, but sticking with generalities, I typically support a moderate Republican type of foreign policy (Eisenhower, Nixon, the first Bush, etc.).

Yes, I'm against abortion, but I don't favor a constitutional amendment to ban it, or anything of that sort. I think Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and the matter returned to the states where it belongs. Let each state make such laws on the matter as their political consensus will support. Better than that we're not going to realistically get anyway.

[equal eyes]

Awesome, I appreciate the responses. I think I held a misconception about conservative christians as being pro-war, but I'm glad to learn something new. I'm sure there's some who are for it. So far it seems to be anti-war, anti-abortion. I should've made this a poll now that I think of it.

So how about the war in iraq? Are you all supporters of that war and/or bush?

[Izdaari]

So how about the war in iraq? Are you all supporters of that war and/or bush?
I think it was both legally and morally justified, but a strategic mistake. We shouldn't have gone in, but now that we have, we own it. The consequences of withdrawing prematurely would be severe, much worse than staying the extra time necessary to finish the job.

Btw, that was my position before we went in. Nothing has changed. In a "big picture" sense, it's all gone pretty much as I expected. The biggest surprise is that it took them as long as it did to figure out the right way to run the war: put a general in charge who really understands counter-insurgency (Petraeus), and let him have a relatively free hand. I could've told them that from the beginning. If they stick with that, we will win and casualties will stay minimal, though it will take time.

In 2000, I voted Libertarian, for Harry Browne. In 2004, I voted for Bush as the "lesser evil". I considered Kerry unacceptable as an alternative, though I don't think Bush has been a good president.

[Criada]

I'm British... so not really entitled to comment on Bush...
I don't agree with the war, though.

[TimRout]

I think one would have to be a bit dim witted to actually be "pro" war. As a conservative evangelical, I recognize that there are times when war is necessary and even righteous; but even then, I believe such conflicts should be entertained as a last resort. And yes, I am opposed to abortion.

[Simon_Templar]

I am some what non-commital on the war. I think we necessarily must do what we can to oppose militant islam, and we owed many people in Iraq a debt of honor for abandoning them the way we did at the end of the first gulf war.

However, the war as it has been billed I don't think is wise.

I am against abortion catagorically.

I would assume that you are intending to have this question show a contradiction in people who are for a war (which involves killing) and yet are against abortion because it is killing.

This is a good example of the kind of deluded sense of right and wrong which is characteristic of modern liberal society.

The reasoning here is essentially.. if it is ok to kill someone who is waging war on you and trying to kill you, then it must be ok to kill innocent children as well. Or conversly, if it is not ok to kill innocent children, then it must also be wrong to kill anyone for whatever reason, including those who are intent on killing you.

God has given man, especially governments, the authority to justly take life under given circumstances. Those circumstances include just wars, and punishment of murderers.
They do not include the right to kill your children for the sake of convenience.

[Chococat]

Awesome, I appreciate the responses. I think I held a misconception about conservative christians as being pro-war, but I'm glad to learn something new. I'm sure there's some who are for it. So far it seems to be anti-war, anti-abortion. I should've made this a poll now that I think of it.

So how about the war in iraq? Are you all supporters of that war and/or bush?

I honestly don't know what my opinion on the Iraq war is. Generally speaking though I like Pres Bush *ducks quickly to avoid squishy tomatoes*;) though I don't necessarily agree with everything he does.

[SharonL]

As for wars - they have gone on as long as there have been two people to argue - God never told his people to lay down and let people walk all over them - Read the book of Judges - one after the other, after the other wiped out because God was preparing His people for His land. If it was wrong to stand up for what is right - the Bible would not be so clear on wars.

As for abortion - this nation alone has the blood of 40 million babies that it will be judged for. Totally against abortion.

[synger]

I don't think the two are comparable. A more accurate comparison, in my mind, is someone's stance on abortion over against their stance on capital punishment.

Personally, I would be a conscientious objector. But I recognize and accept that the government has the right, the authority, and sometimes the responsibility to go to war. I understand some of the reasons we are currently in Afghanistan and Iraq, and I agree with some of them. And I think we have done a great deal to help stabilize the Iraqi government and give them the support they need to be able to rule their own country when we leave.

I just wish we could have left earlier than this. *sighs*

[JPPT1974]

I am for the troops
But against the war
As I will leave it at that!

[SharonL]

President Bush is between the rock and a hard place - Congress each voted on this war but now they want to call it Bush's war - you don't see it now - but just wait awhile and see how fast the terrorists start building up if the dems get in and they know that they won't fight - wanting to just talk makes us appear weak and the terrorists are counting on that all the terrorists are wanting the dems to win - they know they will be home free to do whatever they want.

[WarEagle]

Answer that, and then answer this....

Are you for or against abortion?

Pro-war/against abortion

[WarEagle]

I am for the troops
But against the war
As I will leave it at that!

I'm for the police. I'm just against law enforcement.

[twistedsketch]

So how about the war in iraq? Are you all supporters of that war and/or bush?
I'm disappointed with the way it was planned and handled. The military did a good job, but the intelligence and the postwar planning left a lot to be desired. I decided to support the position because I trusted that 1) our intelligence concerning the WMDs was accurate and 2) we had the people to set up a stable and respectable government after ousting Saddam Hussein. That turned out not to be true. I am disappointed with the bloodbath over there, but I think an immediate pullout will make things worse, and I also believe that our troops should return home in victory rather than in defeat. We've got Al Qaida In Iraq on the ropes, let's finish them off. They're worse than the Baathists anyway.

[cbreviews]

Answer that, and then answer this....

Are you for or against abortion?

I hope no Christian would be "for war" as if war were a fun thing to do on a spring day. All war is a reflection of our sinful nature and so in some way is a rebellion against God. However, that given, I do recognize the right of those who are not the agressors to defend themselves from attack. Ever since Christians ceased being a persecuted minority there has been a struggle over the circumstances under which we may consider military conflict justified. At the time of the fall of Rome, St. Augustine wrote "The City of God" in which he reevaluated his former optimism concerning the idea of a "Christian state" and reminded us that we are mere pilgrims in the city of man and will only know true peace in the New Jerusalem to come. Other attempts at wrestling with these issues were also undertaken by the Eastern fathers but perhaps our Orthodox brothers would be in a better position to express those views.

As for abortion, it is the taking of a human life made in the image of God. I realize there are occasional circumstances when the mother's very life is in danger and there is no hope of the child's survival (ectopic pregnancy) but these rare circumstances are few and far between. Abortion as it is promoted in the West is the modern version of sacrificing your children to Moloch. Only this time the god is one of convenience.

[paxi1334]

I consider myself to be, in the words of Ron Sider, "all the way pro-life"...

*I am opposed to abortion
*I am opposed to all war
*I am specifically opposed to the war in Iraq ~ it is illegal and immoral, even by Augustinian "Just war" standards
*I oppose any nations "right" to wage any war for any reason
*I am opposed to pro-death politicians, be they Republican or Democrat (I don't believe either party comes out morally ahead here)
*I am opposed to the death penalty

Of course, all of this is my politics. Theologically speaking, I'm conservative.

[Iosias]

Answer that, and then answer this....

Are you for or against abortion?

I am against war and against abortion :)

[WarEagle]

=:paxigoth:;47118150]*I oppose any nations "right" to wage any war for any reason[/COLOR]

So, you believe that the Allies who went to war to stop Hitler were wrong for doing so?

[FundamentalistJohn]

As a conservative veteran:

I am against war in general but as others have posted I recognize it as a necessary evil at times. For example I believe a government has the responsibility to defend it's citizenry. I also believe that if a Government forges alliances it is duty bound to honor those alliances if needed.

With that said I believe much like Izdaari that the current war is legal and that we must help stabilize the situation before we pull out. President Bush had the same information that much of the world had and in my opinion made the correct choice based on that information.

With that said other than supporting my President as a citizen, I am not much of a President George W. Bush fan. I am really not looking forward to the upcoming election. I thought I was set but then realized a major flaw in my reasoning and now I feel I must waste my vote with a write in candidate.

As for abortion I oppose abortion except for the case of self-defense of the mother. (I also oppose Capital punishment because in the U.S. it is a socio-economic nightmare)

[Teh0bb3s]

12/50 Uhm no, coat hangers work miracles. Bazing.