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JeffTheLearner
15th May 2008, 09:10 PM
I’m wondering if anyone here think it possible that they have been deceived in relation to their understanding in scripture.

Question:
Do you think your current understanding of scripture is completely correct?
Yes, or no?

Question:
Do you think that no one has deceived you, or is able to in relation to your current views, and understanding?
Yes, or no?

I am wondering about these things for one reason
Jesus said, “But do not be called Rabbi; for ONE IS YOUR TEACHER, and you are all brothers. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for ONE IS YOUR FATHER, He who is in heaven. Do not be called leaders; for ONE IS YOUR LEADER, that is, Christ.” (matt 23:8-10)

Jesus clearly states that you should have only One Teacher, and He does not make it hard to figure out Who that One Teacher is.
And although I know many of you may not be Catholic, but even so they call their “spiritual leaders” by the name of “father” …which they should not. And even “leader” is reiterating the first statement in His saying here, and kind of takes the legs out from people who what to say they are Christian and call others there leader.

I just notice that many have different views, and I know the stability of scripture…. It’s the same and not off the wall, nor does it vary but is clear in all things, and yet the many see things differently, and yet we should be “of ONE MIND”, in “UNITY”, with the “SAME HEAD” …and we should be this, and not in a unity under the void of deception, but according to Truth, and The Life.

Question:
Do you see commentaries, and denominational church doctrines as good help when it comes to your scriptural understanding?
Yes, or no?

Question:
Do you think that you are immune to deception, and that nothing has chance at influencing you?
Yes, or no?

It is clear that we should not be deceived if we learn from One Teacher. The only Teacher that has not just been seated at the Right Hand of the Father, but is also The Living Word.
Jesus said,
"You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.”(John 13:13)
also,
"If you continue in My WORD, then you are truly disciples of Mine”(John 8:31)

I know the word “disciple” has been over glorified in its understanding, but the meaning “student” would be more close to the correct way of looking at that word.
Anyways, If you continue in His Words, you WILL become His student. And you can take that as a promise.

Question:
Do you think that you are lead by the Spirit? And because of that, you are incapable of being lead by your own selfish, or self-gratifying desires?
Yes, or no?

Question:
Do you think that your vain thoughts have no way of contaminating what you think to be, as being “lead by the Spirit?”
Yes, or no?

I ask this because if someone claims they are “lead by the Spirit” and they use the Word as their guide to govern what is of Spirit, or of flesh, are you not being guided by the Word? ….if you say yes, you are correct, Jesus said,
“THE WORDS I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT, and are life.”(John 6:63)

Please answer these questions, I want to know what your answers are.
Who do you call teacher?

:confused::confused::confused:

dayhiker
19th May 2008, 05:00 PM
you really make the whole thing pretty complicated.

Didn't Paul says you have many teachers but only one father refering to himself as he started the church!

Even if I have a human teacher, can't it be that Jesus is speaking thru that human teacher?

Didn't learn things from your parents? Were they deveiving you? Why did you listen to them all those years then?

Love God and do justly that is a sumation of the severing God.

dayhiker

JeffTheLearner
20th May 2008, 02:25 PM
Yea, your right hiker… This is Very complicated, and no one is deceived. All the different denominations are all correct through the teachings of all their different teachers doctrines (not to mention the teachers personal sub-doctrines), and they are all correct all at once, just make your own stuff up, if you say you teach for God and you are a Father… you must be teaching for God… because they say so and also you.
….Wow, on the testimony of 2 even!

Yea, the bible has no place… God just sent His Living Word …Whom He calls His Son, so that people could build pretty homes with many chairs, so men who appear to do good deeds can say and teach whatever they want.

Yea…. That’s it!:thumbsup:

Nomenclature
24th May 2008, 12:55 AM
Didn't Paul says you have many teachers but only one father refering to himself as he started the church!


dayhiker

What you have to ask yourself is this:
Was Paul a follower of Jesus Christ? Did Paul believe in Jesus as the Savior, Son of God? If Paul believed these things, wouldn't he also believe the words of Jesus Christ, knowing they were from God, just as Jesus was of God.

Jesus said this in Matthew 23:9

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

These are not temporary instructions. He did not say "until Paul comes" or "unless it's a priest" or "a minister" or "a man you respect", or even "a woman". Jesus said "CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER UPON EARTH"

No Man.

Are priests human? If they are, and we call them father as if they have a direct line to God then we are disobeying Jesus Christ. There is only one Father, and He is our God. He is not human.

I have great respect for priests, and even more for nuns. I love my Catholic brother's and sisters, and I believe that those who accept Jesus as their Savior, are indeed saved. It is the same for any denomination. We cannot name ourselves after HIM (the Christ) - Christians - and ignore His instructions.

peaches314
1st June 2008, 10:23 PM
Wow those are all great questions

Prince234
3rd June 2008, 05:47 AM
The bible is my teacher.

ThomasAbel70
26th June 2008, 12:51 AM
The Magistarium for the Bible is not called that which supports the truth, but The Church is...that is, according to The Holy Bible itself.