Sci-christianity

[Benwilbur]

Sci Christianity is a Christian Denomination that Believes in God and the bible But also Believes that EVERYTHING including God can be explained by Science.
Below are a FEW,Not all, of the Beliefs that surround Sci-Christianity.

Questions about Us and Answers:
Here are Answers to many Questions that Differ in my Beliefs

How God could actually “Create” Matter?
This is a very simple explanation.
God is Pure Energy.
-According to Einstein’s Theory, E=MC2 Energy can be “turned” into Matter.
-therefore easily if God is Energy he could have transformed some of his Energy into Matter

So Instead of God Creating Matter out of Nothingness he Transferred His Energy and “Created” Matter.



How could God know what is going to happen, like in Prophecies?
Ok Right now we(people) live in a 4 dimensional universe, 3 Dimensions of Space(length, width and Height) and 1 Dimension of Time, 1 Dimension is where time goes in a Line.
God exists in 5 or higher Dimensions. 3+ Dimensions of Space, and 2+ Dimensions of Time.
Think of it like this: We (people) are runners on a racetrack (time) and God is above the Race, like in a Helicopter. The Racers do not know what happens next in the race but God Does because he can see it.

The Idea though shows that possibly if God is in 5D universe than perhaps There are beings in Higher Dimensions, example 6 or 7 maybe even higher.

[Izdaari]

I'm not sure why that would be a denomination. It may be true, but does it have any significant doctrinal implications?

[Benwilbur]

Our Leading Doctrine is that Everything including God can be explained.
Here are a few other beliefs below:
-We believe that Baptism is a Way of publicly professing your beliefs but not a requirement.
-We Believe that Everyone should "Come as they are to church" No need to Dress up in suits and dresses.

Those are a few of our core beliefs.

[pgp_protector]

Wouldn't we actually be living in the full multidimensional universe ?
But are only able to see the 3 + some limitation of time ?

Example would be the 2 Dimensional flat land creatures, They exist in a 3D world, but can't see / grasp that 3rd dimension, but they still live in it.

[Izdaari]

Our Leading Doctrine is that Everything including God can be explained.
Would that potentially can be explained, once we know enough science? Or can be explained now, based on the science we do know?

Here are a few other beliefs below:
-We believe that Baptism is a Way of publicly professing your beliefs but not a requirement.
Ok, that differs from my church, which does require baptism as a condition for full membership.

-We Believe that Everyone should "Come as they are to church" No need to Dress up in suits and dresses.
This is the same as my church, at least as a matter of choice. I normally go to a evening service where "come as you are" casual dress is the norm. Most of us wear shorts and sandals to church in the summer.

[Benwilbur]

Would that potentially can be explained, once we know enough science? Or can be explained now, based on the science we do know?

At present we can explain every part of God that we have come across. In Time Science may be able not only to understand God completely but Mimic the energy-Matter Transfer Process.
If you require explanations as to How God did anything or how Certain aspects of God "Works" Simply ask here and I will answer your questions to the Best of my Ability.

Wouldn't we actually be living in the full multidimensional universe ?
But are only able to see the 3 + some limitation of time ?

Example would be the 2 Dimensional flat land creatures, They exist in a 3D world, but can't see / grasp that 3rd dimension, but they still live in it.

Yes that is correct. The Dimensions do exist right around us. or above us. Theoretically Science could advance enough to allow us to tap into a different dimension but because the Laws of Physics we use for science don't apply in different dimensions of Space and/or Time.

[JohnGrimm]

All i can say is, YAY LOGIC! It's so very nice to see a religion that doesn't go on just blind faith.

[Fritz_John3:16]

All i can say is, YAY LOGIC! It's so very nice to see a religion that doesn't go on just blind faith.

To which religion are you speaking? Certainly not Biblical Christianity. There is no blindness in believing Christ and him crucified.

1 Peter 3:15 - but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect

Time after time the Word and its contents have been proven truth. There is no reason to believe blindly. The trouble is, there are so many believers that are not prepared to defend their faith. This is mostly because of our world today not being tolerant of evangelical actions, so many believers have shirked away from apologetics, afraid of the consequences of being called "in-tolerent".

but i digress

I have no problem with "science" per se. The word Science simply means to discover the truth of. So in that regards, no problem. My question is, are you affiliated with the Gnostic believing "Church of Christ Science" founded by Mary Baker Eddy? If so that is a problem as they are not true believers in Christ's teachings.

Your "doctrine" so far is a bit weak. Please no offence, but the baptism belief... its not biblical, so you using it as a doctrine is already leading you into heresy. No, you don't have to be baptized to be saved, but choosing not to be baptized is in disobedience to what Christ and the bible teaches. If you love G-d and his holy word, then you must be obedient to His teachings. Besides why would you not want to be baptized, it is the ultimate way to associate yourself with Christ's death burial and resurrection, the very reason for our salvation!

The "what you wear to church" thing, well that is cultural and has nothing to do with doctrine. We don’t wear tunics to church anymore but the early church did. We don’t wear knickers and wigs to church but the early American and European church did. So in the 20th century most folks wore a tie to church, and now most do not. I certainly don't, and in fact go to church in jeans and Nikes more often that not.

I will say that there are many things in the Bible that we now are able to explain. Things like Jesus sweating blood. This is a medical possibility and has been seen to occur when people are under inhumane amounts of stress. There are others but no room for all.

You say that you can prove 'everything' with science. How is this possible when man's science is not even capable of proving how the universe started? It’s not capable of proving or disproving the existence of G-d. It can't prove if I love someone or not. It can't prove that you even exist! (In saying PROVE, not THEORIZE)

Today’s science constantly contradicts itself.
The 2nd LAW of Thermodynamics is the universal law of decay; the ultimate cause of why everything ultimately falls apart and disintegrates over time. So left to themselves, chemical compounds ultimately break apart into simpler materials; they do not ultimately become more complex. Yet many so called scientists will go to their grave believing in macro-evolution, the THEORY that all life is becoming more complex thru mere chemical reactions, environment, chance and time.

I could go on, but suffice to say, I cannot put my faith in science when it is so fallible.

BTW, I would like to know how exactly you scientifically explain the resurrection of Christ?

[SolidFaith247]

I see...

[Benwilbur]

I have no problem with "science" per se. The word Science simply means to discover the truth of. So in that regards, no problem. My question is, are you affiliated with the Gnostic believing "Church of Christ Science" founded by Mary Baker Eddy? If so that is a problem as they are not true believers in Christ's teachings.

Sci-Christianity has nothing to do with Mary Baker Eddy.


Your "doctrine" so far is a bit weak. Please no offence, but the baptism belief... its not biblical, so you using it as a doctrine is already leading you into heresy. No, you don't have to be baptized to be saved, but choosing not to be baptized is in disobedience to what Christ and the bible teaches. If you love G-d and his holy word, then you must be obedient to His teachings. Besides why would you not want to be baptized, it is the ultimate way to associate yourself with Christ's death burial and resurrection, the very reason for our salvation!


We do not Believe Baptism is Wrong man, We simply do not Believe it is Required. There is truly only 1 Requirement to get into heaven: John 3:16.


The "what you wear to church" thing, well that is cultural and has nothing to do with doctrine. We don’t wear tunics to church anymore but the early church did. We don’t wear knickers and wigs to church but the early American and European church did. So in the 20th century most folks wore a tie to church, and now most do not. I certainly don't, and in fact go to church in jeans and Nikes more often that not.

True thats not a Doctrine, But I wanted to include that because I have been to churchs where everyone wears suits and ties . Several of which looked at me strange because I wasn't.


I will say that there are many things in the Bible that we now are able to explain. Things like Jesus sweating blood. This is a medical possibility and has been seen to occur when people are under inhumane amounts of stress. There are others but no room for all.

You say that you can prove 'everything' with science. How is this possible when man's science is not even capable of proving how the universe started? It’s not capable of proving or disproving the existence of G-d. It can't prove if I love someone or not. It can't prove that you even exist! (In saying PROVE, not THEORIZE)

You obviously did not understand what I said. I said Everything Can be Explained by Science. I never mentioned that Everything can be explained by Science At this moment. The Universe's Beginning can EVENTUALLY be proven.


BTW, I would like to know how exactly you scientifically explain the resurrection of Christ?

that is by far an obvious one.
God being energy, can reform anything from matter to energy and then back to matter. So Jesus Dies. He gets mutilated(for lack of a better word)
And then he gets locked in a tomb. Simply God Just Repairs the damage to the body, By Transferring Energy into the Matter to make the new Cells in his body. Then The Body is simply restarted. Just Because repairing the body and restarting it cannot be done today. It is only a matter of Being able to Construct the proper Cells and then restart the body.


The Fact is that Most Christians Do not WANT YHWH to be explainable so they refuse to accept it.
YHWH is Far more powerful than us and most probably beyond our reach at this time, and He is Worthy of Worship, a God by any Definition.
But he is Far from Omnipotent and Far from Unexplainable.

[Izdaari]

Alrighty. :D

Arthur C. Clarke had three laws:


When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

With that in mind, I don't see that much difference between your church and mine, other than that we require baptism (not for salvation, but for full membership) and you don't. I agree that eventually science will be able to explain the Beginning of the Universe. But that time is so far off that it still falls under Clarke's 3rd law.

[Maverick3000]

Today’s science constantly contradicts itself.
The 2nd LAW of Thermodynamics is the universal law of decay; the ultimate cause of why everything ultimately falls apart and disintegrates over time. So left to themselves, chemical compounds ultimately break apart into simpler materials; they do not ultimately become more complex. Yet many so called scientists will go to their grave believing in macro-evolution, the THEORY that all life is becoming more complex thru mere chemical reactions, environment, chance and time.



The 2nd Law of Dynamics only applies to close systems, which the Earth is not. And do you know what a theory is?

[Fritz_John3:16]

But he is Far from Omnipotent and Far from Unexplainable.

This statement alone seperates you from the pale of Bible truth and Christian Orthodoxy.

If you are going to put your science over the truth of scripture, there is nothing left.

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with
God all things are possible.
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do everything, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

Jeremiah 32:17,27
Ah Lord God! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

G-d is not unexplainable, His mysteries are revealed thru Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 2:7,8
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Eph 3:3,4
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Rom 16:25
Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Col 4:3
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

Eph 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Col 1:26,27
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

[Benwilbur]

Alrighty. :D

Arthur C. Clarke had three laws:


When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.




Those laws are More Joke Laws than Actual Scientific Laws.
Especially the 1st law.

[Benwilbur]

This statement alone seperates you from the pale of Bible truth and Christian Orthodoxy.

If you are going to put your science over the truth of scripture, there is nothing left.

God never said Specifically in the Bible that he is Impossible to explain or understand.


Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with
God all things are possible.

That simply means that with Men, Men defines Humans, and as long as we are Humans we cannot do what God does. ALSO we have to be on his 7th Dimension. And We cannot, in our bodies, leave this dimension and become energy like God.


Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Job 42:2
I know that thou canst do everything, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

Jeremiah 32:17,27
Ah Lord God! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

G-d is not unexplainable, His mysteries are revealed thru Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 2:7,8
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Eph 3:3,4
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Rom 16:25
Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Col 4:3
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

Eph 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Col 1:26,27
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


None of these Verses say that God cannot be explainable or Understandable.
My Beliefs are NOT against the Bible. Yes it is against Christian Orthodox Beliefs but so was Martin Luther's Beliefs in his time.


God is simply Superior, this is obvious but unexplainable, No.

[Izdaari]

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Those laws are More Joke Laws than Actual Scientific Laws.
Especially the 1st law.
Joke laws? I suppose they are. But they're more than just jokes. Though they aren't scientific, they're pretty accurate observations about how stuff (the human mind in particular) works.

[Benwilbur]

Joke laws? I suppose they are. But they're more than just jokes. Though they aren't scientific, they're pretty accurate observations about how stuff (the human mind in particular) works.

That May Be So, But they are Not Scientific laws.
The 3rd Law is true, in a way, This is shown best in a Sci-Fi TV show called Stargate SG-1,
In it basically all the Gods of Ancient Societies like The Egyptians, Greeks etc... were actually Really advanced aliens. Theres more to the story but Thats 1 of the Plots.
anyway they are not Scientific Laws. So I don't see what Relevance they have on my Beliefs.
Science is an Ever Changing Study, But For the moment it can explain Our God's Power and Existence. If Science Changes, which it always does, We alter our Beliefs accordingly. If, for example, we somehow proved that there WAS no Higher Dimensions then we would re-evaluate our Beliefs.
But we do belief that God can be explained.
For he created The Laws of Nature, and why would he create a world that Shows he Doesn't Exist.
Now Trying to argue Sci-Christian Beliefs is impossible, because Sci-Christian Beliefs DO NOT contradict the Bible in Any Way, and They do not Contradict our current Scientific Understanding.
We Believe The Bible is The Ultimate Truth. We also However believe that Science can explain ALL the events and "Miracles" in the Bible.
All events in the Bible were Recorded by Men, And using that 3rd Law, These Men were not very Scientifically Advanced and they may have Conceived God's Power as Magic. Just because the People living at the time the Bible was written Didn't Understand God doesn't Mean we can NEVER Understand Him.