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[Criada]

Do we have a timestamp issue again, or was SAs last post prophetic?
:confused?

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Houston- we have a problem.

[TheBear]

ooops!

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Let me say right off the bat that this is YOUR forum, a CHRISTIAN forum, and you have the right to set the definition of "Christianity" as well as the boundaries for those who post here.

Just as we have the freedom to utterly reject his games and playing mini-pastor/theologian.

[praying]

If they don't want our input (which, really, they don't, but they seem to want to give us the illusion of wanting our input) they can close the thread. Sooper mod powerz and all that.


:D :D

[Tonks]

Let me say right off the bat that this is YOUR forum, a CHRISTIAN forum, and you have the right to set the definition of "Christianity" as well as the boundaries for those who post here.

I simply have concerns about the phrasing, "You will not promote any faith, belief, or religion other than Christianity." Without a description of what "promote" means, this can be used to attack those who really are not "promoting" another religion, but simply answering questions and providing information.


I think that the point is that there should be less "answering questions" and more of a Christian inreach. Frankly, I'd prefer to see issued kicked to NCR that deal with non-Christian religion - even when it comes to answering questions within Congregationals. For example...discussions about Judaism without reference to Christianity have no place in the MJ forum.

[QUOTE]How will this rule specifically apply to non-Christians monotheists such as Jews and Muslims?

Jews and Muslims are not Christian. They should stick to Non-Christan Religion.

How about other non-Christians such as Atheists, Pagans, Buddhists?

Same as the above. They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.


AND... how is this going to work with those denominations which certainly claim to be Christian, and are certainly not Nicene? Such as your one-ness Pentecostals, or Messianics?

Non-Trinitarians should be moved to an unorthodox section.


Well, at least you avoided a holy war by not including a paragaph regarding the Holy Spirit -- you got to completely skirt the filioque issue!

That is dealt with under the framework of Forum Specific Rules.

These, of course, are just my views. I have no idea what the "Advisors" think but the Christian focus to the exclusion of other abberant theology is shared amongst at least a majority of the moderating admins.

[nikkicheerleader18]

[quote=GerTzedek;46677693]

I think that the point is that there should be less "answering questions" and more of a Christian inreach. Frankly, I'd prefer to see issued kicked to NCR that deal with non-Christian religion - even when it comes to answering questions within Congregationals. For example...discussions about Judaism without reference to Christianity have no place in the MJ forum.



Jews and Muslims are not Christian. They should stick to Non-Christan Religion.



Same as the above. They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.




Non-Trinitarians should be moved to an unorthodox section.




That is dealt with under the framework of Forum Specific Rules.

These, of course, are just my views. I have no idea what the "Advisors" think but the Christian focus to the exclusion of other abberant theology is shared amongst at least a majority of the moderating admins.
You make it sound like the non-Christians should be boarded off in seperate sections and not allowed to be near Christians because they're inferior or something :(

[Tonks]

You make it sound like the non-Christians should be boarded off in seperate sections and not allowed to be near Christians because they're inferior or something :(

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

If people don't like it...there are plenty of other message boards on the Internet.

[Ringo84]

[quote=GerTzedek;46677693]

I think that the point is that there should be less "answering questions" and more of a Christian inreach. Frankly, I'd prefer to see issued kicked to NCR that deal with non-Christian religion - even when it comes to answering questions within Congregationals. For example...discussions about Judaism without reference to Christianity have no place in the MJ forum.



Jews and Muslims are not Christian. They should stick to Non-Christan Religion.



Same as the above. They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.




Non-Trinitarians should be moved to an unorthodox section.




That is dealt with under the framework of Forum Specific Rules.

These, of course, are just my views. I have no idea what the "Advisors" think but the Christian focus to the exclusion of other abberant theology is shared amongst at least a majority of the moderating admins.
I have to say that I have a problem with the wording myself.

They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.

It's stuff like this that makes me uncomfortable.

I understand that this is Christian Forums, and technically it's a Christian website. I read that loud and clear.

It just seems to me that it's a bit elitist to say, "you atheists and non-Christians have a place on this forum. You can't go here and here and here because you don't town our theology line".

Jesus never turned anyone away; He associated Himself with tax collectors, the abject poor, and the undesirables of the day. There isn't one single time in the NT when we see Jesus saying, "this is for Christians only. You non-Christians have your place - away from us".

Now, I can understand trying to nail down theology on which we can all agree. As a Baptist, I am not that trusting of creeds, but I appreciate the effort and understand why it's being done. I just think that we, as Christians, should be careful not to come across as elitist towards those that don't believe like us.

CF is a fellowship site for Christians, but we should be more like Jesus when we approach fellowship on this site: we don't just let in Christians and banish non-trinitarians and other "unorthodox" people to rot in some forum far away from us. We're welcoming to everyone, regardless of what they believe and don't believe and whether they're willing to tow our theological line.

I just don't like this way of thinking. It seems callous and unchristian to me.
Ringo

[nikkicheerleader18]

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

If people don't like it...there are plenty of other message boards on the Internet.
Thats not the message of Jesus :( Jesus values all life and you should read some of the parables of the Gospels, how He will rejoice for one sheep who comes back to the herd more than for 99 sheep who were always with it. He loves all humans, not just Christians, and we as Christians are not superior to others, thats elitist... :(

[Ringo84]

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

If people don't like it...there are plenty of other message boards on the Internet.
They're not inferior. Did Jesus say that tax collectors were inferior because they disagreed with Him?

This thinking is so elitist and, in my humble opinion, not very Christian. It's not acting like Jesus to cloister the church in "Christian only" sections, leaving those that don't agree to rot somewhere else (in our case, a sub-forum).
Ringo

[nikkicheerleader18]

Well, you know what they say about great minds, Ringo. BTW, I didn't see your post before I typed mine :D

[Ringo84]

Well, you know what they say about great minds, Ringo. BTW, I didn't see your post before I typed mine :D
I completely agree with you, Nikki. Thank you for saying it.

I don't like this elitist attitude that seems to pop up on here from time to time. It's like building a church and then erecting a sign that says "Christians only. Atheists have a place".
Ringo

[Tonks]

Thats not the message of Jesus :( Jesus values all life and you should read some of the parables of the Gospels, how He will rejoice for one sheep who comes back to the herd more than for 99 sheep who were always with it. He loves all humans, not just Christians, and we as Christians are not superior to others, thats elitist... :(

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

CF is not a Church...not is it even specifically a ministry. It is a place, ultimately, for Christians to discuss Christian things. CF has strayed from that purpose over the last 8 months and I'm glad to see that it is swinging - somewhat - back in the direction of allowing Christians to be Christians without harassment.

Christ doesn't value a false Gospel. 'Tis in the Bible.

[nikkicheerleader18]

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

CF is not a Church...not is it even specifically a ministry. It is a place, ultimately, for Christians to discuss Christian things. CF has strayed from that purpose over the last 8 months and I'm glad to see that it is swinging - somewhat - back in the direction of allowing Christians to be Christians without harassment.

Christ doesn't value a false Gospel. 'Tis in the Bible.
I've been around for long enough. Not all non-Christians "attack" people. I have a few friends on here who are Atheists and they don't do anything like that. You are stereotyping against people and being discriminatory. I will pray for you. :(

[Tonks]

And I will pray for you.

I'm done with this portion of the conversation.

[Ringo84]

I've been around for long enough. Not all non-Christians "attack" people. I have a few friends on here who are Atheists and they don't do anything like that. You are stereotyping against people and being discriminatory. I will pray for you. :(
I have friends on this site who aren't Christians also, and I have yet to see any one of them "harass" a Christian.

Stereotyping far too often replaces true thought and arguments nowadays.
Ringo

[nikkicheerleader18]

And I will pray for you.

I'm done with this portion of the conversation.
Thank you! :hug: Try to feel better and accept your fellow man as the Lord and Savior Christ would want! ;) The Jews thought they that as the Chosen People were better than others and Jesus came crashing down on some and in parables told them that they were invited first to the Kingdom, but if they did not answer, then others would be invited. The same holds true for today-sure, we Christians might be called first, but not all of us will answer the call truly, and non-Christians will be called by the Master also. ;) *Prays for Tonks*

[Ringo84]

And I will pray for you.

I'm done with this portion of the conversation.
Perhaps we will pray for you, as you seem to reject the notion that Jesus was welcoming to ALL. Christianity is not a "Christians only" club. If it were, Christianity's entire purpose would be shot to oblivion.
Ringo

[Crazy Liz]

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

matthew 5:43-44

[nikkicheerleader18]

matthew 5:43-44
:clap:

[Teshi]

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

What the heck "raw Christian theological perspective" is that? I'd be interested in seeing reading the Church father who was promoting that one.

[Ringo84]

What the heck "raw Christian theological perspective" is that? I'd be interested in seeing reading the Church father who was promoting that one.
Certainly not Jesus. That's for sure.
Ringo

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Hmm interesting since I don't insult people and I am a pagan.

Maybe you insult some just by being one :P

[Ringo84]

Maybe you insult some just by being one :P
That's probably the case for some members.
Ringo

[karen freeinchristman]

Hmm interesting since I don't insult people and I am a pagan.

You might not understand, but I find even your username to be an insult. :sorry:

[Rochir]

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior.

Statements like this really make me sick!:sick: Admin or not, Tonks, this was REALLY uncalled for! ESPECIALLY from an admin on this site!

[Rochir]

You can't please everyone. People will complain, if for no other reason but for the sake of complaining.

I'm reminded of the complaining done after Erwin's 777 reforms.... who were the ones complaining then, hmmm?

:doh:

[Rochir]

Serious question... what, exactly, is meant by "Christian love" in the OP?

I hope not the usual "You better belief as we do or else!"

:|

[MrJim]

It's been so long since we've had any drama around here...

http://images.inmagine.com/168nwm/corbis/crbs042/crbs0420071.jpg

[Glass*Soul]

[edit]

[Rochir]

It's been so long since we've had any drama around here...

http://images.inmagine.com/168nwm/corbis/crbs042/crbs0420071.jpg

How much for the popcorn?;)

[drstevej]

Will pop for reps

[MMXII]

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

CF is not a Church...not is it even specifically a ministry. It is a place, ultimately, for Christians to discuss Christian things. CF has strayed from that purpose over the last 8 months and I'm glad to see that it is swinging - somewhat - back in the direction of allowing Christians to be Christians without harassment.

Christ doesn't value a false Gospel. 'Tis in the Bible.
If I had a spare rep, I'd rep you Tonks.

Somebody, give this man a rep!!

Atheist in the Christian Theology forum arguing about apologetics :doh:

[tulc]

Atheist in the Christian Theology forum arguing about apologetics :doh:

So...apologetics are only for people who agree with each other? :scratch:
tulc(sorry always curious about things like this) :sorry:

[tulc]

It's been so long since we've had any drama around here...

Well, I did find this llama that everyone should agree not to feed. :sorry:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SJbu-zy5zCtX_M:http://bluebison.net/sketchbook/2006/0606/llama1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bluebison.net/sketchbook/2006/0606/llama1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bluebison.net/content/%3Fcat%3D87&h=441&w=420&sz=32&hl=en&start=13&um=1&tbnid=SJbu-zy5zCtX_M:&tbnh=127&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dllama%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.google:en-US:official%26sa%3DG)
tulc(please don't feed the drama llama!) :eek:

[MMXII]

So...apologetics are only for people who agree with each other? :scratch:
tulc(sorry always curious about things like this) :sorry:
No, not by any means. How can an atheist that doesn't believe in a diety argue apologetics? Or maybe why would they?

[CaDan]

No, not by any means. How can an atheist that doesn't believe in a diety argue apologetics? Or maybe why would they?

On the other hand, how can a christian who does believe in a deity argue apologetics?

On the gripping hand, people are able to argue all sorts of things in which they do not necessarily believe. That sort of thing tends to make people grumpy on message boards, though.

[MMXII]

On the other hand, how can a christian who does believe in a deity argue apologetics?

That's why I don't. I quit arguing creation/evolution years ago too. I like my low blood pressure :)

On the gripping hand, people are able to argue all sorts of things in which they do not necessarily believe. That sort of thing tends to make people grumpy on message boards, though.

That's why I'm grumpy :doh:

[Rochir]

Well, I did find this llama that everyone should agree not to feed. :sorry:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SJbu-zy5zCtX_M:http://bluebison.net/sketchbook/2006/0606/llama1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bluebison.net/sketchbook/2006/0606/llama1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bluebison.net/content/%3Fcat%3D87&h=441&w=420&sz=32&hl=en&start=13&um=1&tbnid=SJbu-zy5zCtX_M:&tbnh=127&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dllama%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.google:en-US:official%26sa%3DG)
tulc(please don't feed the drama llama!) :eek:

That is SO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(((((DRama LLama)))))

[MrJim]

How much for the popcorn?;)

I share with my friends:hug:

[sacredsin]

You might not understand, but I find even your username to be an insult. :sorry:

I hope that wasn't serious.

[drstevej]

I hope that wasn't serious.

Christians do not view sin as sacred, harlotry as holy or blasphemy as blessed.

[sacredsin]

Christians do not view sin as sacred or blasphemy as blessed.

And the name was thought up years ago for a different forum, and was indeed not intended to make Christians feel persecuted. But if you would be insulted by a simple user name on an internet forum then by all means, who am I to stop you. I'm sorry you both feel persecuted by it, or so it would seem since it has nothing to do with this site other than the name I go under here.

[drstevej]

And the name was thought up years ago for a different forum, and was indeed not intended to make Christians feel persecuted. But if you would be insulted by a simple user name on an internet forum then by all means, who am I to stop you. I'm sorry you both feel persecuted by it, or so it would seem since it has nothing to do with this site other than the name I go under here.

It is an offensive user title and you are on staff here, a Christian site.

What makes you think that a user name is so simple that it can not contain insults?

This site had on many occasions required user name changes as inappropriate.

By the way, I never said I was persecuted by your name. I do consider it an insult to my faith. God views sin as an abomination, why should sin be called sacred?

Sin separates people from God and brings judgment. That is the core issue leading to the cross. Having pagan mods here is one thing, allowing them to use names that flatly contradict biblical core principles is quite another.

I urge you to reconsider the name. Moreover, I encourage you to consider the One who underwent a cruel cross and awful death to pay the price for sinners. He does not call sin sacred.

[Crazy Liz]

No, not by any means. How can an atheist that doesn't believe in a diety argue apologetics? Or maybe why would they?
What is apologetics? Defending the faith against its detractors by refuting their arguments.

Without non-Christian arguments, there would be no apologetics.

[MMXII]

What is apologetics? Defending the faith against its detractors by refuting their arguments.

Without non-Christian arguments, there would be no apologetics.
In a Christian forum, in the Theology section under "Christian Apologetics". Yeah, I still find that funny :scratch: How can you argue against something you don't believe in? Yes apologetics is the study of the defense of the Christian faith. I've found here...and probably in real life, people's minds are closed and they won't listen to anything that is said to them. They argue for game of it. *shrugs* that's why I only read, I never participate. I'll leave the Theology to the Theologians.

[sacredsin]

It is an offensive user title and you are on staff here, a Christian site.

I am for now at least. I can not help what you or others take offense to, but my name is not in the least offensive or even meant to be. Take that for what its worth.

What makes you think that a user name is so simple that it can not contain insults?

My name does not contain insults, you are seeing things that are not there.

This site had on many occasions required user name changes as inappropriate.

And as of yet no member of staff has told me to change my username so no one other than yourself sees it as something worth changing. Why for so many years has no one said anything until now? I would assume thats because its not insulting or offensive.

By the way, I never said I was persecuted by your name. I do consider it an insult to my faith. God views sin as an abomination, why should sin be called sacred?

I'm sorry you do so but I'm not changing my name. I use it on various other forums and have for years. This site is not exempt from that. I can not help what you view as offensive, especially when most every other person I've talked to on here could care less about my name.

Sin separates people from God and brings judgment. That is the core issue leading to the cross. Having pagan mods here is one thing, allowing them to use names that flatly contradict biblical core principles is quite another.

Your belief and you are entitled to it. However, that is not my belief. Ironically enough I came up with the name when I was still a Christian.

I urge you to reconsider the name. Moreover, I encourage you to consider the One who underwent a cruel cross and awful death to pay the price for sinners. He does not call sin sacred.

Not happening and you're not appealing to my emotion. Your beliefs are yours and you have my respect for that, mine are mine and I expect the same. Attitudes however are a different matter...

[tulc]

What makes you think that a user name is so simple that it can not contain insults?

...wouldn't a more accurate description be "There's no user name so simple that someone wont FIND an insult where none was intended!"? :scratch:
tulc(just wondering) :)

[karen freeinchristman]

Sacredsin, yes I was serious. For exactly the reasons Rep Daddy has posted here:

It is an offensive user title and you are on staff here, a Christian site.

What makes you think that a user name is so simple that it can not contain insults?

This site had on many occasions required user name changes as inappropriate.

By the way, I never said I was persecuted by your name. I do consider it an insult to my faith. God views sin as an abomination, why should sin be called sacred?

Sin separates people from God and brings judgment. That is the core issue leading to the cross. Having pagan mods here is one thing, allowing them to use names that flatly contradict biblical core principles is quite another.

I urge you to reconsider the name. Moreover, I encourage you to consider the One who underwent a cruel cross and awful death to pay the price for sinners. He does not call sin sacred.

...wouldn't a more accurate description be "There's no user name so simple that someone wont FIND an insult where none was intended!"? :scratch:
tulc(just wondering) :)I don't think that would be a more accurate description. It doesn't even make sense. :doh:

karen(wonders, too)

[sacredsin]

Sacredsin, yes I was serious. For exactly the reasons Rep Daddy has posted here:



I don't think that would be a more accurate description. It doesn't even make sense. :doh:

karen(wonders, too)


Well enjoy life being insulted by the most minute things then. I can't imagine living in such a way but thats just me. Point blank, not everyone is out to get you.

[Angel4Truth]

Cant see too many believers who would feel safe discussing christian issues and being moderated by someone who reveres sin either.

[karen freeinchristman]

Well enjoy life being insulted by the most minute things then. I can't imagine living in such a way but thats just me. Point blank, not everyone is out to get you.
This is NOT a 'minute' issue to us.

[sacredsin]

Cant see too many believers who would feel safe discussing christian issues and being moderated by someone who reveres sin either.

Reveres sin? I'd have to believe in it first. I mod the non-christian area so me not being a Christian is not an issue.

[Angel4Truth]

Saying sin is sacred is considered a mock to those of us who feel its the downfall of so many souls.

[sacredsin]

Its happened to me more than once lately- and i used to be on staff so i can assure you they can remove posts and not just hide them from veiw. Ive had several posts just disapear - specially ones dealing with controversial issues. Even had an entire thread moved with no mod hat - no notification no anything and no one would tell me what mod did it.

I've not even seen one example of this.

[Sojourner1]

Reveres sin? I'd have to believe in it first. I mod the non-christian area so me not being a Christian is not an issue.
It's all in how you look at it. Maybe the name actually means sacreds in instead of sacred sin. ;)

[sacredsin]

Saying sin is sacred is considered a mock to those of us who feel its the downfall of so many souls.

You can consider a mock if you would like but it is not. So feel as you will, I can not change that.

I do not strive to make everyone nice and happy and I won't change my username to do so.

[Angel4Truth]

I've not even seen one example of this.
Whether you change it or not is a non issue to me - knowing that it offends people i would think should be an issue to you especially being a staff member on a christian board - but its the attitude that it doesnt matter what christians here think of you which backs my point that non believers dont belong on staff here.

[sacredsin]

It's funny to notice the difference in tone people use to non-Christian mods vs. Christian mods. Like the argument earlier in the thread, you should read that, where people said that Jesus loves ALL people. He does not think that Christians are better than non-Christians, he waits for non-Christians to come back to Him.

Exactly. I've definitely noticed this as well.

Heading out for chores, hopefully the issue with my name will be over when I return since its a non issue anyways.

[sacredsin]

Whether you change it or not is a non issue to me - knowing that it offends people i would think should be an issue to you especially being a staff member on a christian board - but its the attitude that it doesnt matter what christians here think of you which backs my point that non believers dont belong on staff here.

I'd say the same thing if non christians were complaining too.

[Angel4Truth]

I answer to God not non believers. This is a christian board not a non christian one.

Lastly go check out complaints ive made in the complaint area and youll see where the things ive stated have happened have happened unless of course only admins are allowed there. Its been happening and happening a lot.

[Tmac1818]

Whether you change it or not is a non issue to me - knowing that it offends people i would think should be an issue to you especially being a staff member on a christian board - but its the attitude that it doesnt matter what christians here think of you which backs my point that non believers dont belong on staff here.
It shouldnt be offensive. She cant change her name every time somebody thinks it is offensive. She is a staff and you shouldnt be speaking down to her like this. Your attitude is worse than hers...

[Tmac1818]

I answer to God not non believers. This is a christian board not a non christian one.

Lastly go check out complaints ive made in the complaint area and youll see where the things ive stated have happened have happened unless of course only admins are allowed there. Its been happening and happening a lot.

Is that some kind of threat? :eek:

[karen freeinchristman]

It's funny to notice the difference in tone people use to non-Christian mods vs. Christian mods.
There is really no difference. If a Christian mod had that username, I would still tell them it was offensive.

[Angel4Truth]

Thank you for making my point - she is a non believer staff member and you are expecting me to "revere" her just because shes a staff member. Her screename is offensive period and i will say so - you acting as if she deserves special privledge because shes staff is another good reason non believers do not belong on staff on a christian board.

[Crazy Liz]

Whether you change it or not is a non issue to me - knowing that it offends people i would think should be an issue to you especially being a staff member on a christian board - but its the attitude that it doesnt matter what christians here think of you which backs my point that non believers dont belong on staff here.
Come on, A4T. You don't care what people think of you & won't change for them, either, will you? ISTM, I've seen you say if you're offended, it's your problem, not mine to other people. I may be mistaken about that, but it's an attitude I think I've seen in some of your posts.

Why do you ask someone else to do something you wouldn't do?

Is that loving your neighbor as yourself?

[Angel4Truth]

um how is it a threat to tell a staff member to go check an area only staff can see?

Are you trying to cause trouble would be a better question by insituating evil where there is none?

[Angel4Truth]

Crazy liz ive never said any such thing in my life - i have seen you make up plenty though enough said.

[Sojourner1]

Only SA/A's can read the threads in the complaint box.

[synger]

If you have an issue with someone's username, the course of action to take is to go to that person's profile and report it as a possible violation, and let the staff take it from there. This thread is not the place for such discussions.

In addition, if you have an issue with non-Christian mods, please join the discussion about Non-Christian moderators (http://christianforums.com/t6651516-non-christian-moderators.html) in the DR forum. Again, this thread is not for that discussion.

[Tmac1818]

um how is it a threat to tell a staff member to go check an area only staff can see?

Are you trying to cause trouble would be a better question by insituating evil where there is none?
No I mean it wasn't necessarily a threat but you were saying like "Yeah, things that I suggest happen end up happening, you know. So I'm going to suggest something and you're going to get in trouble."

I dont know, that's just how I saw it. Sorry. :)

[Crazy Liz]

Crazy liz ive never said any such thing in my life - i have seen you make up plenty though enough said.
I believe you if you say I'm mistaken. I've seen a lot of Christians say things like that, which is why I said I might be mistaken. My memory might be faulty, and I might have associated someone else's post with you.

I apologize.

[GerTzedek]

Just as we have the freedom to utterly reject his games and playing mini-pastor/theologian.
Actually you really don't. He is the site owner. That is the end of the issue. If he sets policies some don't like, no one is obligated to stay.

[Angel4Truth]

Apology accepted liz

[Crazy Liz]

No I mean it wasn't necessarily a threat but you were saying like "Yeah, things that I suggest happen end up happening, you know. So I'm going to suggest something and you're going to get in trouble."

I dont know, that's just how I saw it. Sorry. :)
There's enough that has happened around here and gotten covered up that I understood exactly what she meant. I've also noticed threads being moved without mod hats. Posts used to get removed without notice, and I'm not surprised if it is happening again. Now that nobody below Admin level can see what's happening, it's easy to cover stuff up.

Once Lee added the rule against talking about mod misbehavior with anyone but the RT, it was an open invitation to shenanigans and cover-ups. The mods who do stuff like that don't want their actions exposed, so they ask for rules against complaining.

john 3:19

[CaDan]

Let's try to keep this from turning into the Airing of Grievances.

Festivus is long past.

[Tmac1818]

Let's try to keep this from turning into the Airing of Grievances.

Festivus is long past.
:D :D :D :D

[Ringo84]

If I had a spare rep, I'd rep you Tonks.

Somebody, give this man a rep!!

Atheist in the Christian Theology forum arguing about apologetics :doh:
They don't have a right to be there arguing for their point of view?

No, I'm not going to rep Tonks for his comments. I find them elitist and not very Christian. The point of Christianity is not to cloister ourselves away from the world but to be welcoming to everyone - as Jesus was in His time.
Ringo

[Tmac1818]

They don't have a right to be there arguing for their point of view?

No, I'm not going to rep Tonks for his comments. I find them elitist and not very Christian. The point of Christianity is not to cloister ourselves away from the world but to be welcoming to everyone - as Jesus was in His time.
Ringo
Now there is something deserving of rep. :)

[Angel4Truth]

Actually the bible tells us to be seperate from the world - would you like the verse?

[Ringo84]

It is an offensive user title and you are on staff here, a Christian site.

What makes you think that a user name is so simple that it can not contain insults?

This site had on many occasions required user name changes as inappropriate.

By the way, I never said I was persecuted by your name. I do consider it an insult to my faith. God views sin as an abomination, why should sin be called sacred?

Sin separates people from God and brings judgment. That is the core issue leading to the cross. Having pagan mods here is one thing, allowing them to use names that flatly contradict biblical core principles is quite another.

I urge you to reconsider the name. Moreover, I encourage you to consider the One who underwent a cruel cross and awful death to pay the price for sinners. He does not call sin sacred.
If after a history of being burned alive as torches and being persecuted by governments, some Christians feel persecuted or insulted by a username, then I think those Christians should get a grip.

I have interacted with Sacred on many other areas of this forum and have never found her to be the "bomb-throwing" type who actively seeks to insult or "persecute" Christians.

It's a username! The interpretation of which is the problem - not the fact that it's controversial in any traditional sense of the word. I don't usually say this, but I think it applies in this case: get over it. There are far many other things to be insulted about in this world than a puny username.
Ringo

[Angel4Truth]

I could have sworn there was a mod hat or two posted already about that issue?

[Tmac1818]

I could have sworn there was a mod hat or two posted already about that issue?
You continued after the 2 mod hats were posted, too... :o

[Ringo84]

This is NOT a 'minute' issue to us.
I'm a Christian, and I find it to be a petty issue.

We live in a world where there are millions of people who can't afford decent living conditions, children living in abject poverty, genocide in Darfur....and some people on this forum are taking issue with a username.

I'm sorry, but it seems ridiculous to me. Especially in light of the fact that I've never found Sacred to be the type who "throws bombs" at Christians and insults them.
Ringo

[CaDan]

If after a history of being burned alive as torches and being persecuted by governments, some Christians feel persecuted or insulted by a username, then I think those Christians should get a grip.

I have interacted with Sacred on many other areas of this forum and have never found her to be the "bomb-throwing" type who actively seeks to insult or "persecute" Christians.

It's a username! The interpretation of which is the problem - not the fact that it's controversial in any traditional sense of the word. I don't usually say this, but I think it applies in this case: get over it. There are far many other things to be insulted about in this world than a puny username.
Ringo

As a Pete Best fan, I find your name incredibly offensive. :P

[Angel4Truth]

Funny tmac I dont see that - can you post a link to them? Thanks - we are talking mod hats though not staff posts..

[nikkicheerleader18]

Funny tmac I dont see that - can you post a link to them? Thanks - we are talking mod hats though not staff posts..
hes referring to u posted at the bottom of page 18 AFTER the mod hat ;)

[Angel4Truth]

my post at the bottom of page 18 isnt on the topic of someones screename -maybe go read what i wrote and what it was in reference to ..rofl

[Ringo84]

Actually the bible tells us to be seperate from the world - would you like the verse?
Yes it does. But that doesn't mean that we have to completely separate ourselves from non-Christians, and leave them to rot in some "separate but equal", restricted area of this forum.

Jesus associated Himself with prostitutes, tax collectors, the poor, lepers, and many other undesirables of His day. How would He feel about us trying to make Christians Forums a "Christians only club"?
Ringo

[Ringo84]

I could have sworn there was a mod hat or two posted already about that issue?
I know. I just logged on and didn't see the Mod Hat until after I had posted. I always like to start reading through threads after my last post, so I don't miss any replies.

I don't apologize for what I said in my posts, but excuse my continuing to discuss the issue after CaDan had cracked down.
Ringo

[Angel4Truth]

Yes it does. But that doesn't mean that we have to completely separate ourselves from non-Christians, and leave them to rot in some "separate but equal", restricted area of this forum.

Jesus associated Himself with prostitutes, tax collectors, the poor, lepers, and many other undesirables of His day. How would He feel about us trying to make Christians Forums a "Christians only club"?
Ringo
Jesus also said about discussing the things of God amoung non believers to be casting pearls to swine. You are talking about 2 different issues but trying to make them equal when they arent.

Atheists arent qualified to discuss christian ethics because they arent in the church or other church based issues.

[Tmac1818]

my post at the bottom of page 18 isnt on the topic of someones screename -maybe go read what i wrote and what it was in reference to ..rofl
Oh, I didn't notice that the mod hats said "STOP DISCUSSING SCREEN NAMES" :D Oh wait...they didn't mention usernames at all. :D Maybe you're the one who should do some reading rofl :D

[Tmac1818]

my post at the bottom of page 18 isnt on the topic of someones screename -maybe go read what i wrote and what it was in reference to ..rofl
Oh, I didn't notice that the mod hats said "STOP DISCUSSING SCREEN NAMES" :D Oh wait...they didn't mention usernames at all. :D Maybe you're the one who should do some reading rofl :D

[CaDan]

Hey lookee!

This unused Festivus pole would do good duty as a bat.

Just sayin' . . . .

[Ringo84]

Jesus also said about discussing the things of God amoung non believers to be casting pearls to swine. You are talking about 2 different issues but trying to make them equal when they arent.

Atheists arent qualified to discuss christian ethics because they arent in the church or other church based issues.
They aren't qualified according to whom? Because they won't accept a creed, they don't have the capability to argue for or against a certain point of view?
Ringo

[Angel4Truth]

How can someone outside of the church state what is legit for those within in it? Christians need to be able to discuss issues that affect CHRISTIANS without interference from those OUTSIDE of the church.

What your asking is like demanding a fireman make medical policies for doctors.

[Ringo84]

How can someone outside of the church state what is legit for those within in it? Christians need to be able to discuss issues that affect CHRISTIANS without interference from those OUTSIDE of the church.

What your asking is like demanding a fireman make medical policies for doctors.
Non-Christians aren't debating what's legit for Christians. They're discussing faith issues and sharing their point of view. Isn't that what this forum is about - sharing different points of view?
Ringo

[Angel4Truth]

Ringo thats where you are wrong - non believers are all over this board dictating what the church should be like. Have you read every thread?

Christians should have parts of this board for only christians - the board was designed for CHRISTIANS - there are many other board on the net for purposes of others pushing their own ideals - it doesnt need to be happening here.

[Ringo84]

Ringo thats where you are wrong - non believers are all over this board dictating what the church should be like. Have you read every thread?

Christians should have parts of this board for only christians - the board was designed for CHRISTIANS - there are many other board on the net for purposes of others pushing their own ideals - it doesnt need to be happening here.
Ringo thats where you are wrong - non believers are all over this board dictating what the church should be like. Have you read every thread?

That's their opinion, and it is just as valuable as yours or mine. That doesn't mean we have to agree with every opinion or adopt it for the church.

Christians should have parts of this board for only christians - the board was designed for CHRISTIANS - there are many other board on the net for purposes of others pushing their own ideals - it doesnt need to be happening here.

It's time we started acting like Christians then, and stopped trying to exclude and started to include. If some of us can't handle opinions that differ from ours, then perhaps those people shouldn't be here in the first place.

I know it's called Christian Forums, but as I said earlier: Jesus did not exclude anyone from associating with Him. And if he doesn't do it, we shouldn't either.
Ringo

[Angel4Truth]

sacredsin - i dont care what your screename is - i backed up another believer and said why its offensive to believers and why its offensive coming from a staff member.

Im not angry in the least but if it makes you feel better to think i am - knock yourself out :)

[sacredsin]

sacredsin - i dont care what your screename is - i backed up another believer and said why its offensive to believers and why its offensive coming from a staff member.

Im not angry in the least but if it makes you feel better to think i am - knock yourself out :)

So it doesn't matter what the other believer's opinion was as long as you all band together against the non-believer?

[Angel4Truth]

No, i agree with her opinion that its offensive -but being that you are staff and was allowed on staff with it - I wouldnt waste my time worrying about it or bother reporting it because it would be a waste of my time and the fact that a non believer is on staff here is more of an issue to me than your screename.

However it being enough to make me angry? Thats a dream.

[sacredsin]

No, i agree with her opinion that its offensive -but being that you are staff and was allowed on staff with it - I wouldnt waste my time worrying about it or bother reporting it because it would be a waste of my time and the fact that a non believer is on staff here is more of an issue to me than your screename.

However it being enough to make me angry? Thats a dream.

Why should me being on staff bother you? I assure my mind is rational and my judgments are sound. Not only that, I moderate "Non Christian religion" and do not have any say in the Christian areas of the forum. My moderating abilities or duty does not affect you unless you go into Non Christian religion.

In any case, if you have a problem with me being a mod due to my religion than take it up with those above me. They did see fit to allow me on staff however.

[Ringo84]

the fact that a non believer is on staff here is more of an issue to me than your screename.

It shouldn't be. If we're going to have balance on this site, we should have both Christians and non-Christians on the staff.

A staff of only Christians or only non-Christians would be unfair and give the appearance of bias. There is nothing wrong with Sacred or any other non-Christian having a staff position here. I support her completely.
Ringo