Irrefutable Facts of the King James Bible

[AVBunyan]

Irrefutable Facts of the King James Bible

Below is from an article written by George H. Anderson Jr – I usually don’t cut and paste other people’s work but I thought he did a good job and agree. Your thoughts?

1. ALL of the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS to the Bible are LOST!

2. The Major Battle over which WORDS "belong" in the Bible has taken place in the New Testament Text. (As opposed to the Old Testament)

3. The Major Battle over which MANUSCRIPTS are to be "trusted" has taken place over the known New Testament Manuscripts. (As opposed to the known Old Testament Manuscripts)

4. From 100 A.D. to 1611 A.D. There were fewer than ten (10) Bibles in English. (partial or complete)

5. From A.D. 1611 - first printing of the AUTHORIZED VERSION [A.V.] (Now known as The King James Bible) - until 1881 individuals made a few new translations, usually unhappy with the A.V. 1611, and without any success.

6. From 1881 to the present day - NEARLY ONE (1) NEW TRANSLATION PER YEAR has come off the presses, again without much lasting success.

7. Nearly all the "new" Translations are based on just a FEW, A VERY FEW, MANUSCRIPTS: (Vaticanus & Sinaiticus - Primary "Authorities")

8. The many GREEK TEXTS for the "new" Translations are different from the GREEK TEXT of the A.V. 1611 in over 5000 places!

9. ALL the GREEK TEXTS for the "new" Translations are derived from and modeled after the Westcott and Hort GREEK TEXT.

10. The vast majority of the "Textual Critics" and "Biblical Scholars" subscribe, at least in part, to the complex Westcott and Hort Textual "THEORY".

11. Most of the "critics" and "scholars" embrace Griesbach’s elaborate Manuscript FAMILIES "HYPOTHESIS".

12. Most of the "new" Translations DIFFER from the A.V. 1611 in as many as 5000 places in the New Testament alone!

13. ALL The "new" Translations are ALIKE, that is they RESEMBLE EACH OTHER in contrast to the A.V. 1611, King James Bible.

George H. Anderson Jr


God bless :wave:

[~WildRoseCowgirl~]

One thing I noticed that seems to be missing is reference to the Alexandrian scripts, those are where the majority of newer translations come from along with another that I cannot remember its name at this moment......:scratch:

[GreenEyedLady]

Compliled by Trosclair and castellaw.
Here is a list of more than 400 words, verses or parts of verses of the King James Bible that have been omitted, changed or inserted in the new versions.


MATTHEW
Matthew 1:25 "firstborn" is out. Also Luke 2:7. Mary's son -
Matthew 5:22 "without a cause" is out. Angry with his brother - [makes Jesus a sinner; cf. Mark 3:1-5]
Matthew 5:44 "bless them that curse you" is out.
Matthew 6:1 "alms" is changed to "righteousness" or other.
Matthew 6:13 "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." out.
Matthew 6:27 "stature" is changed to "life" or other. Also Luke 12:25.
Matthew 6:33 "of God" is out. Also Luke 12:31 and Acts 20:25. The kingdom -
Matthew 8:2 "worship" becomes "bow down/kneel" or other. Also 9:18, 15:25, 18:26, 20:20, Mk. 5:6.
Matthew 8:29 "Jesus" is out; also 4:18, 12:25, Mk.2:15, Acts 3:26, 2Cor.4:6, 5:18, Colossians.1:28, Phm.6,1Pet.5:10
Matthew 9:13 "to repentance" is out. Also Mark 2:17. Call sinners -
Matthew 12:35 "of the heart" is out. Out of the good treasure -
Matthew 12:40 "whale" is changed to "fish." Jonah was in the - belly.
Matthew 12:47 Verse is out. Also 17:21, 18:11, 21:44, 23:14; and 25 words in 27:35!
Matthew 13:25 "tares" is changed to "weeds." [destroys meaning, because "tares" look like wheat!]
Matthew 13:39,40,49 "world" becomes "age," also 12:32, 24:3, 28:20, Lk.18:30, 20:35 etc. (23x in NT).
Matthew 13:51 "Jesus saith unto them" and "Lord" are out.
Matthew 15:8 "draweth nigh unto me with their mouth" is out.
Matthew 16:3 "O ye hypocrites" is out.
Matthew 18:15 "against thee" is out. If thy brother shall trespass -
Matthew 18:22 "seventy times seven" is changed to "seventy-seven times." [NIV]
Matthew 19:9 "and whoso marrieth her that is put away doth commit adultery." is out.
Matthew 19:16 "good" is out; also "Master" is changed to "teacher."
Matthew 19:17 "God" is out. None is good but - Also Mark 12:32.
Matthew 19:29 "or wife" is out. Also Mark 10:29. Forsaken houses, or brethren -
Matthew 20:7 "and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive" is out.
Matthew 20:16 "for many be called, but few chosen" is out.
Matthew 20:22 "baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with" is out. Also out in v. 23.
Matthew 22:42 "Christ" becomes "the Christ." [cf. New Age!] Also 1:17, 2:4, 23:10 , 24:5,23... (30x in NT)
Matthew 23:8 "even Christ" is out. One is your Master -
Matthew 23:19 "fools" is out. Jesus calling the scribes and Pharisees -
Matthew 23:23 "faith" is changed to "faithfulness." Also Galatians 5:22.
Matthew 24:7 "and pestilences" is out. Signs of the last days.
Matthew 24:36 "neither the Son" is inserted. Of that day or hour knoweth no man -
Matthew 25:13 "wherein the Son of man cometh" is out.
Matthew 25:31 "holy" is out (angels), also 1 Th. 5:27 (brethren), 2 Peter 1:21 (men of God).
Matthew 26:3 "and the scribes" is out, also "and elders" in 26:59.
Matthew 26:28 "new" is out. My blood of the - testament.
Matthew 27:54 "the Son of God" is changed to "a son of God." Also Mark 15:39.
Matthew 28:9 "as they went to tell his disciples" is out. Jesus met them -

MARK

Mark 1:1 "the Son of God" is out. Jesus Christ -
Mark 1:14 "of the kingdom" is out. Preaching the gospel -
Mark 1:31 "immediately" is out, also "straightway" in 7:35. About healing.
Mark 3:15 "heal sicknesses" is out. Apostles' power to -
Mark 3:29 "damnation" is changed to "sin." In danger of eternal -
Mark 6:11 23 words are out. About judgment. Also last 15 words in 7:8.
Mark 6:33 "and came together unto him" is out. The people to Jesus.
Mark 6:36 "for they have nothing to eat" is out.
Mark 7:2 "they found fault" is out.
Mark 7:16 Verse is out. Also verses 11:26 and 15:28.
Mark 9:23 "believe" is out. All things are possible, if thou canst -
Mark 9:24 "with tears" is out, also "Lord." A believer cries to Jesus - and says -
Mark 9:29 "and fasting" is out. Also Acts 10:30 and 1 Corinthians 7:5. Praying -
Mark 9:38 "and he followeth us not" is out.
Mark 9:45 "into the fire that never shall be quenched" is out. Also vs. 9:44 & 46. About hell.
Mark 9:49 "and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt." is out.
Mark 10:21 "take up the cross" is out. Come - and follow me.
Mark 10:24 "for them that trust in riches" is out. How hard to enter the kingdom of God -
Mark 11:10 "in the name of the Lord" is out. Blessed be that cometh -
Mark 12:23 "when they shall rise" is out. Also Acts 24:15 "from the dead. "About the resurrection.
Mark 12:30 "this is the first commandment" is out; also 12:31 "like." The second is -
Mark 13:11 "neither do ye premeditate" is out.
Mark 13:14 "spoken of by Daniel the prophet" is out. Also Matthew 27:35.
Mark 13:33 "and pray" is out. Watch -
Mark 14:68 "and the cock crew" is out.
Mark 15:3 "but he answered nothing" is out.
Mark 16:9-20 Verses are out or questioned in footnotes.

LUKE

Luke 2:14 "good will toward men" is changed to "to men on whom his favor rests" or other.
Luke 2:33 "Joseph" becomes "his father;" also in 2:43 "Joseph and his mother" "parents."
Luke 2:40 "in spirit" is out. Jesus waxed strong- , also 1Tim. 4:12. Example of the believers-
Luke 2:49 "about my Father's business" is changed to "in my Father's house." I must be -
Luke 4:4 "but by every word of God" is out. Man shall live -
Luke 4:8 "Get thee behind me, Satan" is out.
Luke 4:18 "to heal the brokenhearted" is out. About Jesus.
Luke 4:41 "Christ" is out. - the Son of God. Also John 4:42. - the Saviour of the world.
Luke 6:48 "founded upon a rock" is changed to "well built."
Luke 7:30 "counsel against" becomes "purpose for." God against Pharisees & lawyers.
Luke 7:31 "And the Lord said" is out. Also 22:31 and Heb. 10:30.
Luke 8:43 "which had spent all her living upon physicians" is out.
Luke 9:35 "beloved" is out. This is my - Son.
Luke 9:54 "even as Elias did" is out.
Luke 9:55 "and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of." is out.
Luke 9:56 First 16 words are out. Also last 11 in 20:19 and 8 words in 23:38.
Luke 11:2 "Our" - "which art in heaven," also "Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth."
Luke 11:4 "but deliver us from evil." is out.
Luke 11:11 "if a son shall ask bread, will he give him a stone?" is out.
Luke 11:29 "the prophet" is out. The sign of Jonas -
Luke 14:5 "***" is changed to "son."
Luke 15:19 "make me as one of thy hired servants" is out.
Luke 16:9 "when ye fail" is changed to "when money runs out" or similar.
Luke 17:36 Verse is out. Also 22:20, 22:43-44, 23:17, 24:12 and 24:40.
Luke 21:4 "unto the offerings of God" is out. The widow's two mites.
Luke 21:19 "In your patience possess ye your souls " is changed to "Save your lives" or similar.
Luke 21:35 "as a snare" is out. That day shall come -
Luke 22:64 "they struck him on the face" is out. Also 22:68 "nor let me go."
Luke 23:42 "Lord" is out. Remember me -
Luke 24:6 "He is not here, but is risen" is out. Also 24:51 "and carried up into heaven."
Luke 24:36 "and saith unto them, Peace be unto you" is out.

JOHN

John 1:14 "begotten" is out, also in 1:18, 3:16 and 3:18.
John 1:27 "preferred before me" is out. John the Baptist about Jesus.
John 1:42 "a stone" becomes "Peter" (with footnotes saying it means "rock").
John 3:13 "which is in heaven" is out.
John 3:15 "should not perish" is out.
John 3:36 "believeth not" becomes "disobedient;" Romans11:32, 15:31, Heb. 3:18, 4:6.11, 11:31.
John 5:3 "waiting for the moving of the water" is out. Also all of verse 5:4.
John 5:16 "and sought to slay him" is out. The Jews persecuted Jesus -
John 5:30 "Father" is out. Also 6:39 and 8:16. Who sent Jesus -
John 6:11 "to the disciples, and the disciples to them" is out.
John 6:47 "on me" is out. Believe - Also "in me" is out Mark 9:42.
John 6:69 "that Christ, the Son of the living God" is out.
John 7:39 "Holy" is out. Also Acts 6:3, 8:18, 1 Corinthians 2:13, Matthew 12:31. The - Ghost.
John 7:53 to 8:11 is out or questioned in footnotes.
John 8:9 "being convicted by their own conscience" is out. [Only mention of "convicted."]
John 8:59 "going through the midst of them" is out. Jesus escapes by a miracle.
John 9:4 "I" is changed to "we." I must work the works -
John 9:35 "Son of God" is changed to "Son of man."
John 10:29 "greater" is misplaced. My Father - than all or that which He gave?
John 10:30 "my Father" becomes "the Father," also 10:32, 14:28 and Matthew 24:36.
John 11:28 "Master" becomes "teacher," also 4:31, 11:8, 13:13, 20:16, Matthew 8:19, etc. (25x in NT).
John 11:41 "where the dead was laid" is out, also 12:1 "which had been dead." About Lazarus.
John 14:2 "mansions" is changed to "rooms, apartments" or other. In my Father's house -
John 16:16 "because I go to the Father" is out. Jesus speaking.
John 17:12 "in the world" is out. While I was with them -
John 18:36 "now" is out. - Jesus' kingdom is not of this world.

ACTS

Acts 1:3 "infallible" [!] is out. By many - proofs.
Acts 2:30 "according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ" is out.
Acts 2:31 "his soul" is out. "hell" becomes "grave," also 2:27, Matthew 11:23, Luke 10:15.
Acts 3:6 "rise up" is out, also 3:11"the lame man which was healed." Peter healing.
Acts 3:13 "Son" becomes "servant, "also 3:26. In 4:27 "child" becomes "servant." About Jesus.
Acts 4:8 "of Israel" is out. Ye elders -
Acts 4:24 "God" is out. - made heaven and earth.
Acts 5:34 "apostles" is changed to "men."
Acts 6:8 "faith" is changed to "grace." Stephen, full of -
Acts 7:30 "of the Lord" is out. Angel - Also 22:16. Calling on the name - Also 2 Corinthians 4:10.
Acts 7:37 "him shall ye hear" is out. About Christ. Also "the Lord your" is out. About God.
Acts 8:37 Verse is out. Also vs. 15:34; 28:29; 30 words in 9:5-6 and 37 words in 24:6-8.
Acts 9:20 "Christ" is out, also 15:11, 16:31, 19:4, 20:21, 2Cor.11:31, Ephesians 1:5, etc. (30x in NT).
Acts 10:6 Last 9 words are out. Also last 8 words of 10:32 and 11 words of 28:16.
Acts 13:33 "this day have I begotten you" becomes "...become your Father," also Heb 1:5, 5:5. [NIV]
Acts 13:42 "Jews" becomes "Paul and Barnabas" and "Gentiles" becomes "the people."
Acts 13:45 "contradicting" is out. The Jews to Paul.
Acts 14:27 "the door of faith" is changed to "a door..."
Acts 15:18 "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." is all changed.
Acts 17:17 "they chanced/happened to be there" is inserted. KJV says: "they met with him."
Acts 17:22 "superstitious" is changed to "religious." Ye men of Athens -
Acts 17:26 "blood" out. God hath made of one - all nations of men.
Acts 18:5 "spirit" is changed to "word" or out.
Acts 20:28 "own" is out. The church of God purchased with - blood.
Acts 20:32 "brethren" is out. Also Ephesians 6:10. Who is strong in the Lord?
Acts 23:9 "let us not fight against God" is out.

[seebs]

My thought is that "different" does not necessarily mean "worse". When there are two versions of a manuscript, to assert that one is better than the other because the other is different is begging the question. Also, I'd point out that modern KJV's are substantially different from the 1611; for instance, they're several books shorter!

[GreenEyedLady]

ROMANS

Romans 1:16 "of Christ" is out. Not ashamed of the gospel -
Romans 1:20 "Godhead" is out. Also Romans 17:29 and Colossians. 2:9.
Romans 1:29 "fornication" is out.
Romans 8:1 Last 10 words are out. Also last 18 words in 11:6 and 15 words in 14:6.
Romans 8:2 "me" is changed to "you." Law of the Spirit hath made - free.
Romans 10:15 "of peace" is out. Preach the gospel of -
Romans 10:17 "of God" is changed to "of Christ." Also Colossians. 3:15 and 1 Peter 3:15.
Romans 13:9 "thou shalt not bear false witness" is out.
Romans 14:21 "or is offended, or is made weak" is out.
Romans 15:19 "of God" is out. Power of the Spirit -
Romans 15:29 "of the gospel" is out. Full blessing -
Romans 16:24 Verse is out or questioned.

1 CORINTHIANS

1 Corinthians 1:14 "God" is out. I thank - Also Galatians 1:15. Who separated me -
1 Corinthians 2:13 "comparing spiritual things with spiritual" is changed.
1 Corinthians 5:4 Verse is completely changed. "Christ" is out; also in 9:1 and 16:23.
1 Corinthians 5:7 "for us" is out. Christ is sacrificed - Also 1 Peter 4:1. Christ hath suffered -
1 Corinthians 6:20 "and in your spirit, which are God's" is out. Glorify God -
1 Corinthians 7:39 "by the law" is out. The wife is bound -
1 Corinthians 8:4 "an idol is nothing" is changed to "there are no idols" or other.
1 Corinthians 10:28 "for the earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof." is out.
1 Corinthians 11:1 "followers" is changed to "imitators." Also Ephesians 5:1.
1 Corinthians 11:15 "covering" is changed to "veil." Hair is given for -
1 Corinthians 11:24 "Take, eat" is out; also "broken." My body -
1 Corinthians 11:29 "Lord's" is out. His body. Also 15:47. - from heaven.
1 Corinthians 16:22 "Jesus Christ" is out. Also 2 Tim 4:22.

2 CORINTHIANS

2 Corinthians 1:10 "death" is changed to "great peril" or other. Delivered from so great a -
2 Corinthians 2:17 "corrupt" is changed to "peddle." Many - the word of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17 "all things are become new" is changed to "new things have come."
2 Corinthians 6:5 "in fastings" is out. Also 11:27.
2 Corinthians 11:3 "simplicity that is in Christ" becomes "purity of devotion to Christ" or other.
2 Corinthians 13:11 "Be perfect" is out.

GALATIANS

Galatians 3:1 "that ye should not obey the truth" is out.
Galatians 3:17 "in Christ" is out. Covenant confirmed - Also 4:7 "through Christ. "Heir of God -
Galatians 5:4 "... is become of no effect" becomes "you are severed from..." or other. Christ -
Galatians 5:21 "murders" is out. Work of the flesh.
Galatians 6:4 "have rejoicing" becomes "be proud/boast," also 2 Corinthians 1:14, 5:12, James 1:9.
Galatians 6:15 "in Christ Jesus" is out. For - neither circumcision availeth anything.
Galatians 6:17 "Lord" is out. Also 1 Tim. 1:1, 5:21; 2 Tim. 4:1; Titus 1:4; 2 John 3, etc. (25x in NT).

EPHESIANS

Ephesians 1:6 "accepted" is out. - in the beloved.
Ephesians 1:11 "an inheritance" is out. We have obtained -
Ephesians 1:14 "purchased" is out. The - possession.
Ephesians 3:9 "by Jesus Christ" is out. God created all things -
Ephesians 3:14 "of our Lord Jesus Christ" is out. The Father -
Ephesians 5:9 "Spirit" is changed to "light." The fruit of the -
Ephesians 5:30 "of his flesh, and of his bones" is out.
Ephesians 6:1 "in the Lord" is out. Children, obey your parents -

PHILIPPIANS

Philippians 3:3 "God" is out. We worship -
Philippians 3:16 "let us mind the same thing" is out.
Philippians 4:13 "Christ" is out. Who gives strength?

COLOSSIANS

Colossians 1:14 "through his blood" is out. In whom we have redemption -
Colossians 2:2 "and of the Father and of Christ" is out and the rest is changed.
Colossians 2:11 "the sins of" is out. The body of - the flesh.
Colossians 2:12 "operation" is out. The - of God.
Colossians 2:18 "not" is out. Things which he hath - seen.
Colossians 3:5 "inordinate" is out. Mortify - affection.
Colossians 3:6 "on the children of disobedience" is out. The wrath of God -

1 THESSALONIANS

1 Thessalonians 1:1 "from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" out. Grace and peace - Also Colossians. 1:2.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 "appearance" is changed to "kind" or similar. Abstain from all - of evil.

2 THESSALONIANS

2 Thessalonians 2:2 "the day of Christ" is changed to "the day of the Lord."

1 TIMOTHY

1 Timothy 1:17 "wise" is out. Also Jude 25. The only - God.
1 Timothy 2:7 "in Christ" is out. Truth -
1 Timothy 3:16 "God" is out. Who was manifest in the flesh?
1 Timothy 5:16 "man" is out. Any - or woman. Also James 4:4 "adulterers." Ye - and adulteresses.
1 Timothy 6:5 "from such withdraw thyself." is out.
1 Timothy 6:6 "gain" is changed to "source of income." Changes meaning.
1 Timothy 6:10 "the root of all evil" is changed to " a root of all kinds of evil" or other.
1 Timothy 6:20 "science" is out. Oppositions of - falsely so called. [only warning against "science."]

2 TIMOTHY

2 Timothy 1:11 "of the Gentiles" is out. Paul as teacher -
2 Timothy 2:15 "study" is out, "dividing" becomes "teaching." Rightly - the word of truth.

TITUS

Titus 1:4 "mercy" is out. Also in 2:4 "be sober" is out.

PHILEMON

Philemon 1:12 "thou therefore receive him" is out.

HEBREWS

Hebrews 1:3 "by himself" and "our" is out. He had - purged - sins.
Hebrews 2:7 "and didst set him over the works of thy hands" is out; and rest is changed.
Hebrews 2:11 "family" or "origin" is added. All are of one.
Hebrews 5:2 "compassed with" becomes "subject to." [Not the same thing!]
Hebrews 7:21 "after the order of Melchisedec" is out.
Hebrews 9:11 "to come" is changed to "are already here." Things -
Hebrews 9:28 "without sin" becomes "not to deal with sin." Christ shall appear -
Hebrews 10:9 "O God" is out. Come to do whose will?
Hebrews 10:12 "for ever" is misapplied. One sacrifice for sins -
Hebrews 10:34 "in heaven" is out. A better and an enduring substance -
Hebrews 11:6 "diligently" is out. - seek God.
Hebrews 11:11 "was delivered of a child" is out. Through faith Sarah - Also 11:37 "were tempted."

JAMES

James 4:12 "and judge" is added. One lawgiver -
James 5:16 "faults" is changed to "sins." Confess your - one to another.

1 PETER

1 Peter 1:22 "through the Spirit" is out; also "pure." A - heart.
1 Peter 1:24 "of man" is out. The glory - as grass.
1 Peter 2:2 "of the word" is out. Milk- "unto salvation" added: "...grow unto salvation."
1 Peter 3:18 "suffered" is out. Christ - for sins.
1 Peter 3:21 "answer of a good conscience" becomes "request for a ..." or other. Baptism.
1 Peter 4:14 Last sentence is out. On their part he is evil spoken of, etc.
1 Peter 5:11 "glory" is out. Unto him be -

2 PETER

2 Peter 2:17 "for ever" is out. Mist of darkness is -
2 Peter 3:9 "us-ward" is changed to "you." The Lord is longsuffering to -
2 Peter 3:10 "burned up" is out. The earth shall be - [cf. teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses!]

1 JOHN

1 John 2:7 "from the beginning" is out. The word which ye have heard -
1 John 2:20 "ye know all things" is changed. You all know -
1 John 4:3 "that Jesus Christ is come into the flesh" is out.
1 John 4:19 "him" is out. We love -
1 John 5:6-7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one." is out.
1 John 5:13 The last 13 words are out. And that ye may believe -

JUDE

Jude 1:1 "sanctified" is out. To them that are -
Jude 1:4 "God" is out. The only Lord -
Jude 1:19 "separate themselves" is out. Mockers in the last time -

REVELATION

Revelation 1:5 "washed" is out. Jesus - us with his from our sins -
Revelation 1:8 "the beginning and the ending;" 1:11 "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last."
Revelation 1:9 "Christ" is out. Also 12:17. The testimony of -
Revelation 1:13 "the Son" is changed to "a son." Also 14:14.
Revelation 2:13 "martyr" is out, also "thy works." I know -
Revelation 2:22 "their" is changed to "her." They repent of her deeds?
Revelation 4:4 "seats" is changed to "thrones." Four and twenty -
Revelation 5:14 "that liveth for ever and ever" is out. Whom do the elders worship?
Revelation 6:1 "and see" is out, also in verses 3, 5, and 7.
Revelation 6:17 "his" is changed to "their." The great day of whose wrath?
Revelation 8:13 "angel" is changed to "eagle."
Revelation 11:8 "our" is changed to "their." - Lord was crucified.
Revelation 11:17 "and art to come" is out. O Lord God Almighty -
Revelation 12:12 "inhabiters of" is out. - earth and sea.
Revelation 13:1 "I" is changed to "the dragon." Speaking about the Apostle John.
Revelation 14:5 "before the throne of God" is out. They are without fault -
Revelation 15:3 "King of saints" is changed to "... of nations" or "... of ages."
Revelation 16:17 "of heaven" is out. Out of the temple -
Revelation 19:2 "at her hand" is out. Avenged the blood of his servants - About Babylon.
Revelation 20:9 "from God" is out. Fire - devours Gog and Magog.
Revelation 20:12 God" is changed to "throne." The dead stand before -
Revelation 21:4 "God" is out. Wipe away all tears.
Revelation 21:24 "of them which are saved" is out. Nations - in new Jerusalem.
Revelation 22:14 "do his commandments" is changed to "wash their robes." Blessed are they that -
Revelation 22:19 "book of life" is changed to "tree ..." God shall take away their part out of the -

[AVBunyan]

Compliled by Trosclair and castellaw.
Here is a list of more than 400 words, verses or parts of verses of the King James Bible that have been omitted, changed or inserted in the new versions.Nice work - but can they see CLEARLY - do they want to see CLEARLY?

Yes, Very sad that so many cannot see it and don't want to see it.

A blind man could see what is going on here. :eek:

Thanks for the post - I've copied it for future use.

God bless :wave:

[AVBunyan]

One thing I noticed that seems to be missing is reference to the Alexandrian scripts, those are where the majority of newer translations come from along with another that I cannot remember its name at this moment......:scratch:
You are absolutley right - nice observation.

God bless :wave:

[eldermike]

I think we need a KJV only forum, this is an issue that has divided us already. What do others think of the idea of making a KJV baptist forum? I am not asking in an official manner, just curious.

If that's not an atractive alternative, then how about answering my questions in the other threads on this issue.

[Crazy Liz]

Please, lets not create more little ghettos for members with particular opinions!

[eldermike]

Please, lets not create more little ghettos for members with particular opinions!

You are right. But I think I'll find another forum until the current trend passes.

[GreenEyedLady]

You are right. But I think I'll find another forum until the current trend passes.
Mike,
I hate to see you find another forum. This place is for all Baptist, regardless if your KJV only or not. I really like your posts, and hope to see some good threads starting from you.
:kiss:
GEL

[kayanne]

This place is for all Baptist, regardless if your KJV only or not.
but how can we feel that this forum is for "all baptists" when people here are telling us we don't read/study the real Word of God? if it is not of God, by inference, it is of satan. that is very hard to me to take---the precious Word of God itself is being attacked. i don't like the idea of sub-dividing any further, but i doubt that i will ever have total comfort here knowing how so many kjv-ers here feel.

i realized that i feel more attacked here than in any other other forum at cf i've posted in, including obob! at least over in obob i'm merely "separated brethren," rather than a person who "clearly won't see" that my "bible" is not of God.

[GreenEyedLady]

I think that it was stated in this thread that KJV only belive that one can get saved by these other translations. This means, that the Gospel is in some of these translations if not all of them. I am a KJV only, and I rely on that as my truth and my final authority. That does not mean that YOU are blind because you read a differant bible. We just disagree with what bible we are reading. Because most translations do have the gospels in them, which is what leads a person to Christ, saying that they are not at all God's word is not correct. I usually say that they are watered down my the translators. I don't think and I hope that no one else thinks that anyone who uses any other bible is sinning. This is not what we believe kayanne.
Your not being attacked! You are a good godly woman who just so happenes to read a differant bible. So we differ in that area, I am sure there is more than we agree on that what we don't agree on.
Just wanted to spead some love around this forum. It seems to have alot of tension today.
GEL

[FreeinChrist]

I think we need a KJV only forum, this is an issue that has divided us already. What do others think of the idea of making a KJV baptist forum? I am not asking in an official manner, just curious.

If that's not an atractive alternative, then how about answering my questions in the other threads on this issue.

Frankly, I get sick and tired of being a "heretic" for not being a Calvinist, and accused of liking a "wrong" Bible -which has not been proved at all!

I like it better when the PRE was for all Protestants, then one group, like the Calvinists or KJVonly folks, don't have quite the divisive effect that they have in a smaller forum.

[GreenEyedLady]

If that's not an atractive alternative, then how about answering my questions in the other threads on this issue.
Hey,
I missed your questions. Can you point them to me and maybe i can help?
Thanks
GEL

[FreeinChrist]

I think that it was stated in this thread that KJV only belive that one can get saved by these other translations. This means, that the Gospel is in some of these translations if not all of them.
"by these other translations"
But the point is - it is not the Bible that saves you - it is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. We are washed clean by the blood of the Lamb. People were saved before the KJV ever existed. People were saved without any written word in their hands at all. Because they were saved by grace through faith in the gospel they heard spoken by mouth and were saved by the washing of regeneration done by the Holy Spirit.

This is my main concern about KJVonlyers - it appears that you put the KJV on a equal level with God and the Holy Spirit and Christ....as if it is worshipped.

[GreenEyedLady]

Noooooo I do not, worship the bible however I do hlod Gods Word so dear to my heart and meditate upon it daily as we are instructed to do. We are saved by the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ which is contained in most translations. I agree, there were people who were saved by the Gospel. I am not worshipping a book, I just prefer it and think its the best translation that is all.
GEL

[FreeinChrist]

Noooooo I do not, worship the bible however I do hlod Gods Word so dear to my heart and meditate upon it daily as we are instructed to do. We are saved by the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ which is contained in most translations. I agree, there were people who were saved by the Gospel. I am not worshipping a book, I just prefer it and think its the best translation that is all.
GEL
I know you are not worshipping a book.

But I must point out that I and others who are not KJV onlyers also hold God's Word dear to our hearts and meditate on it daily.

[HiredGoon]

I'm interested in which version of the KJV do KJV-onlyists believe is the best version. The original 1611 with Apocrypha, or post 1825 without Apocrypha, and why? One of my favorite subjects is the history of the English Bible translations. I'd never heard of KJV-onlyers before I came to CF (I grew up a Baptist). Not trying to stir up debate, just curious.

[Crazy Liz]

I like it better when the PRE was for all Protestants, then one group, like the Calvinists or KJVonly folks, don't have quite the divisive effect that they have in a smaller forum.
I agree.

[AVBunyan]

I'm interested in which version of the KJV do KJV-onlyists believe is the best version. Not trying to stir up debate, just curious.
Good question - I understand about all the revisions and differences so with that being said....

The one that you can get for $5.95 at any Walmart

God bless

[OracleX]

OK guys ... these sort of debates are getting us no where fast. We already have another thread about the KJV issue. Lets not open multiple thread on the same thing.

Thread closed.