Arrow-torn American flag on Obama's website

[HisdaughterJen]

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1208827377

http://www.barackobama.com/images/bg.jpg


This image is the background image on every page of Obama's website. Zoom in and take a very close look.

The eagle is flying away.
The moon (of Obama) is rising over the dark night of America.
The flag has been run through with an arrow/spear and is in tatters.
And there's even "six", "6", and six stripes in it.
"SIX" is in white letters in the ray of the 4th star down from the eagles beak on the right.
"6" is in black in the upper-inner crux of the 1st star from the wing on the left.
The six stripes are in Obama's logo.

FREAKY!!!

[twistedsketch]

I don't like Obama, but stuff like this is just stupid.

[ladyt28]

and have ya ever noticed the pyramid with the eyeball at the top on the back of our money? I'm tellin' ya.....weirdness abounds......






good grief! lol!

[twistedsketch]

and have ya ever noticed the pyramid with the eyeball at the top on the back of our money? I'm tellin' ya.....weirdness abounds......


Those black helicopters are real. And so are Pokemon.

[HisdaughterJen]

It's so weird that people can have symbolism of true feelings/beliefs right in their face and still can't see it.

Each and everything in the seal of the USA MEANS something and they meant for it to mean something. Obama has created his own "seal" based on the USA seal and everything in it MEANS something. It isn't rocket science or voodoo, it's people telling other people what they stand for and believe in. These things are created as a symbol for what you believe in and stand for!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg/150px-US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg)

"The main figure on the obverse (or front) of the seal is the coat of arms of the United States, a bald eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_eagle) with its wings outstretched (or "displayed", in heraldic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry) terms). From the eagle's perspective, it holds a bundle of thirteen arrows in its left talon, (referring to the thirteen original states), and an olive branch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_branch), in its right talon, both of which symbolize that the United States of America has "a strong desire for peace, but will always be ready for war." (see: Olive Branch Petition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Branch_Petition)). Although not specified by law, the olive branch is usually depicted with thirteen leaves and thirteen olives, again representing the thirteen original states. The eagle has its head turned towards the olive branch, said to symbolize a preference for peace. The eagle clutches the motto "E Pluribus Unum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Pluribus_Unum)" ("Out of Many, One") in its beak; over its head there appears a "glory" with thirteen mullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullet_%28heraldry%29) (stars) on a blue field. In the current (and several previous) dies of the great seal, the thirteen stars above the eagle are arranged in rows of 1-4-3-4-1, forming a six-pointed star."


Obama has taken the Seal of the USA and created his own rendition based on how he feels about America and what he thinks of it...in other words, what he believes and stands for.

So, in Obama's seal, it is night, the flag is in tatters with an arrow piercing it. The eagle has turned-tail and is running. His "moon" rising over a prone flag is placed over the stars and stripes shield. AND there are faint letters spelling "six" and the number 6 in the rays. Six is considered a blessed number in ISLAM, by the way.

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1208827377

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:en9aOLIAsmAhJM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg&h=600&w=600&sz=213&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=en9aOLIAsmAhJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSeal%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPresident%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-35,GGLD:en)

[twistedsketch]

I don't need to look into a faded seal that I can barely make out in order to know that I don't like Obama, and that he would be a terrible president. I look at his positions, such as how he advocated a ban on all semiautomatics. I look at his associations and how he explains them, such as how he was able to attend that anti-American hate church for 20 years. I look at his moral equivalences, such as comparing an unrepentant terrorist to a US Congressman who respects the rule of law, or comparing the Virginia Tech massacre to Don Imus. And I look at how he's a slickster at the podium, and how because of that, people let him get away with this garbage.

Seriously, if people look for 666 anywhere, they will find it. My Bible has a page numbered 666! Better burn it! http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=59434

[HisdaughterJen]

I don't need to look into a faded seal that I can barely make out in order to know that I don't like Obama, and that he would be a terrible president. I look at his positions, such as how he advocated a ban on all semiautomatics. I look at his associations and how he explains them, such as how he was able to attend that anti-American hate church for 20 years. I look at his moral equivalences, such as comparing an unrepentant terrorist to a US Congressman who respects the rule of law, or comparing the Virginia Tech massacre to Don Imus. And I look at how he's a slickster at the podium, and how because of that, people let him get away with this garbage.

Seriously, if people look for 666 anywhere, they will find it. My Bible has a page numbered 666! Better burn it! http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=59434
I agree.

Regarding the 666 in Obama's logo...I don't think it refers to the Biblical 666, I think it refers to the "blessed" Quran.

[twistedsketch]

I agree.

Regarding the 666 in Obama's logo...I don't think it refers to the Biblical 666, I think it refers to the "blessed" Quran.
But how can you say that when he converted to Christianity? His church may have deep problems, but I have no reason to believe that this man is still a Muslim.

[HisdaughterJen]

But how can you say that when he converted to Christianity? His church may have deep problems, but I have no reason to believe that this man is still a Muslim.
Both Rev Wright and Obama used to be muslim.

"Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”"

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

"But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”




http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
"On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama's Church and reported the following conversation (http://www.thestraightway.org/frequentlyaskedq.html): " I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: "No, we have many Muslim members in our church." "


What...do you think it's a coincidence that Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panthers AND Hamas all support Obama?

[JPPT1974]

Sadly, 666 is something you
Have to be aware of!
They say that after Obama's pastor
Did that on tv, the pastor may
Ruin Obama's chances of the presidency over that.

[HisdaughterJen]

Sadly, 666 is something you
Have to be aware of!
They say that after Obama's pastor
Did that on tv, the pastor may
Ruin Obama's chances of the presidency over that.
Islam considers 666 to be a blessed and holy number. They believe satan has deceived us into believing that 666 is the mark of the beast. Check it out, scary stuff:

http://www.universalunity.org/6.html

http://www.universalunity.org/666.JPG



Is it any wonder that there are sixes in Obama's webpage background logo? This is why Farrakhan and Rev Wright keep saying things like..."a politician says what he needs to say to the audience he's speaking to" and "vote for Obama, don't worry about what he's saying because it's all just "mischief making" when speaking of Obama's denunciations of them.

http://www.noi.org/statements/statement_02-28-2008.htm

[tulc]

What's scary is no matter how often it's been pointed out that Obama is a Christian you still insist on saying he isn't. :sigh:
tulc(just something to think about) :(

[Nadiine]

What's scary is no matter how often it's been pointed out that Obama is a Christian you still insist on saying he isn't. :sigh:
tulc(just something to think about) :(
What's scary is that we would all believe someone is a Christian if they just say they are...
I think we've heard his own Pastor's sound bits to wonder what exacty he was believing and agreeing with.

Plus, we've heard other statements of his upholding homosexual civil unions - and is he anti abortion? I haven't heard about that yet.:scratch:

I also wonder why radical Muslims have stated that they want Obama to be our President? Just something to wonder about.

*additionally - not in reply to your post*
I'm not voting for somebody just becuz they CLAIM they're a Christian either - after seeing Huckabees track record on voting and his proposed policies, I wouldn't vote for that man either - he may as well wear a liberal pin on his lapel.
The only way he's conservative & Christian is in morality, not social policy or finance.

[Nadiine]

*forgot to add, I rarely believe politicians anymore*

[HisdaughterJen]

What's scary is no matter how often it's been pointed out that Obama is a Christian you still insist on saying he isn't. :sigh:
tulc(just something to think about) :(
"by their fruits", tulc.

Mat 7:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mat 7:14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Mat 7:15 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Mat 7:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.



Regarding abortion and human life, God said:

Psa 127:3 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=127&v=3&t=NIV#3)Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from him.

Mat 5:21 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=5&v=21&t=NIV#21)"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

Gen 1:28 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=28&t=NIV#28)God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Gen 9:1 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=9&v=1&t=NIV#1)Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.


All who believe in and love God, do what God says and agree with Him.

What does Obama say?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

"Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006) "


(just something to think about, tulc)

[tulc]

(just something to think about, tulc)

Already did, but thanks for reminding me! ;)
tulc(not seeing how 20 years of supposed "pro-life Presidents" in the last 28 years has accomplished all that much) :sorry:

[HisdaughterJen]

Already did, but thanks for reminding me! ;)
tulc(not seeing how 20 years of supposed "pro-life Presidents" in the last 28 years has accomplished all that much) :sorry:
28 years?
Bush (pro-life) 8
Clinton (pro-death) 8
Bush (pro-life) 4
Reagan (pro-life) 8
Carter (pro-death) 4

The president doesn't make the laws, by the way. Congress makes the laws.

[tulc]

Carter (pro-choice) 4uhmmm I wasn't counting Carter, that would be the last 32 years :sorry:
tulc(just so you know) :)

[HisdaughterJen]

uhmmm I wasn't counting Carter, that would be the last 32 years :sorry:
tulc(just so you know) :)
Why limit it to 28? Is that a magic number?

Maybe we should go back pre-Roe v Wade in 1973 which was 35 years ago?

[Nadiine]

"by their fruits", tulc.

Mat 7:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mat 7:14 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Mat 7:15 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Mat 7:16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Mat&chapter=7&version=NIV#) Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.



Regarding abortion and human life, God said:

Psa 127:3 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=127&v=3&t=NIV#3)Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from him.

Mat 5:21 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=5&v=21&t=NIV#21)"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

Gen 1:28 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=28&t=NIV#28)God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Gen 9:1 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=9&v=1&t=NIV#1)Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.


All who believe in and love God, do what God says and agree with Him.

What does Obama say?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

"Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006) "


(just something to think about, tulc)
I didn't know this about Obama's voting record...

I understand when we're forced to vote the lesser of 2 evils, but BOTH democratic candates are for abortion - it's Pres. Clinton who signed in partial birth abortion - I dont' see Hillary opposing that one either.

I may never understand Christians voting for democrats who are in support of liberal morality (immorality) / sin.

:confused: :scratch:

[tulc]

Why limit it to 28? Is that a magic number?
Maybe we should go back pre-Roe v Wade in 1973 which was 35 years ago?

uhhmmm then you have another two Republican Presidents to add to your list, Nixon (1969-1974) and Ford 1974-1977. :sorry: No I started where I did because 1976 is the year the Republican party added a pro-life plank to their platform. :)
tulc(1980 was the first year I got in trouble for protesting against abortion) :cool:

[tulc]

I may never understand Christians voting for democrats who are in support of liberal morality (immorality) / sin.

Yeah, I can see we are a mystery. :)
tulc(could explain it, but it takes a while so doesn't want to derail the thread. but will try if you really want to know) ;)

[MrJim]

Yeah, I can see we are a mystery. :)
tulc(could explain it, but it takes a while so doesn't want to derail the thread. but will try if you really want to know) ;)

:ebil: do it tulc:clap:

[JustAsIam77]

I didn't know this about Obama's voting record...

I understand when we're forced to vote the lesser of 2 evils, but BOTH democratic candates are for abortion - it's Pres. Clinton who signed in partial birth abortion - I dont' see Hillary opposing that one either.

I may never understand Christians voting for democrats who are in support of liberal morality (immorality) / sin.

:confused: :scratch:

I agree. For democrats, how does one reconcile the party platform supporting abortion with your Christian beliefs? :scratch: Please discuss.

Thanks

[MrJim]

Speaking of Obama, the more his Spiritual Advisor talks the happier Hillary gets ;)

[JustAsIam77]

I agree. For democrats, how does one reconcile the party platform supporting abortion with your Christian beliefs? :scratch: Please discuss.

Thanks

I don't want to derail the OP's thread, not fair to them. I'll start another regarding this. My apologies.

[Nadiine]

Speaking of Obama, the more his Spiritual Advisor talks the happier Hillary gets ;)
ain't THAT the truth!!

That man is a train wreck! I just saw his news conference thingy he did yesterday, and I can absolutely see how radical and nonsensical (conspiracy theory stuff) he is!
And Obama sat under him for 20 years??? His spiritual mentor???????????????????:eek: :eek: :eek:
Dear God!

Yep, the Govt. started aids.... oh that man is almost as bad as Farakahn!

At least we saw him for who he actually is - those snippets they've used on the news are probly TAME compared to the stuff he normally teaches! How people can follow that stuff is beyond my comprehension.

[mont974x4]

I don't beleive obama is a Christian. Given his statements and what he really beleives he is somewhere between a false convert or an apostate (seeing as how he publicly rejected Christ by saying there's other ways to be saved).

as to the OP, I don't doubt there's symbolism and meaning there but it would be unfair to guess what they mean. Has anyone bothered to ask someone involved in its design?

[HisdaughterJen]

§176. Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#175

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:foVwQFTbsNLrzM:http://www.thegio.net/kazakhstan/american-flag.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thegio.net/kazakhstan/american-flag.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thegio.net/kazakhstan/blogger/2005_05_01_archive.html&h=595&w=944&sz=40&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=foVwQFTbsNLrzM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=148&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAmerican%2Bflag%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-35,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN)



Now, look at the American flag both in Obama's circular logo and in the background image:

In Obama's circular logo, the American flag is on the ground...basically prone to Obama's rising sun, the Union part nowhere to be seen.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:avDGrBPa280J:farm1.static.flickr.com/165/428458245_079bd3ff25.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/428458245_079bd3ff25.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/zara/428458245/&h=130&w=130&sz=73&tbnid=avDGrBPa280J:&tbnh=130&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Blogo&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1)


In the background image, the flag is in tatters with an arrow through it behind Obama's logo and the shield. Again, the Union is missing and the flag might indeed be upside-down. The eagle has TURNED-TAIL and is about to fly away. If you can't see the anti-American imagery and symbolism, then read up on what the real symbols mean and the proper treatment of the image. The faint letters "six" and number "6" as well as 6 lines on Obama's logo isn't the mark of the beast, but is symbolic of the "blessed" Quran. 666 is considered a blessed and holy number in ISLAM!

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1208827377


http://www.enchantedlearning.com/history/us/symbols/presidentialseal/

[Simon_Templar]

It's so weird that people can have symbolism of true feelings/beliefs right in their face and still can't see it.

Each and everything in the seal of the USA MEANS something and they meant for it to mean something. Obama has created his own "seal" based on the USA seal and everything in it MEANS something. It isn't rocket science or voodoo, it's people telling other people what they stand for and believe in. These things are created as a symbol for what you believe in and stand for!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg/150px-US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg)

"The main figure on the obverse (or front) of the seal is the coat of arms of the United States, a bald eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_eagle) with its wings outstretched (or "displayed", in heraldic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry) terms). From the eagle's perspective, it holds a bundle of thirteen arrows in its left talon, (referring to the thirteen original states), and an olive branch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_branch), in its right talon, both of which symbolize that the United States of America has "a strong desire for peace, but will always be ready for war." (see: Olive Branch Petition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Branch_Petition)). Although not specified by law, the olive branch is usually depicted with thirteen leaves and thirteen olives, again representing the thirteen original states. The eagle has its head turned towards the olive branch, said to symbolize a preference for peace. The eagle clutches the motto "E Pluribus Unum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Pluribus_Unum)" ("Out of Many, One") in its beak; over its head there appears a "glory" with thirteen mullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullet_%28heraldry%29) (stars) on a blue field. In the current (and several previous) dies of the great seal, the thirteen stars above the eagle are arranged in rows of 1-4-3-4-1, forming a six-pointed star."


Obama has taken the Seal of the USA and created his own rendition based on how he feels about America and what he thinks of it...in other words, what he believes and stands for.

So, in Obama's seal, it is night, the flag is in tatters with an arrow piercing it. The eagle has turned-tail and is running. His "moon" rising over a prone flag is placed over the stars and stripes shield. AND there are faint letters spelling "six" and the number 6 in the rays. Six is considered a blessed number in ISLAM, by the way.

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1208827377

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:en9aOLIAsmAhJM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg&h=600&w=600&sz=213&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=en9aOLIAsmAhJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSeal%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPresident%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-35,GGLD:en)
I am not an Obama fan as any of my posts regarding him will show.

However, THe spear in the image isn't piercing the flag, it goes behind the shield with the flag on it, and there is another flag coming off the spear. Much like a banner on a lance.

The flag is not tattered, it is simply fluttering. There is nothing in the image which shows and holes in the flag or tears in it at all.

Further, I can't see the faded letters at all, even when I magnify the image.

Also, the image of the eagle does not in the least suggest retreat.

[Mling]

I am not an Obama fan as any of my posts regarding him will show.

However, THe spear in the image isn't piercing the flag, it goes behind the shield with the flag on it, and there is another flag coming off the spear. Much like a banner on a lance.

The flag is not tattered, it is simply fluttering. There is nothing in the image which shows and holes in the flag or tears in it at all.

Further, I can't see the faded letters at all, even when I magnify the image.

Also, the image of the eagle does not in the least suggest retreat.

And the image in the circle looks remarkably like the sun rising over farmland--a perfectly American symbol--unless you deliberately change it to make the stripes red. Which it isn't.

This reminds me a lot of something I said when I was about 8. Looking at a piece of driftwood: "If that was bigger and a different shape, it would be a surfboard!"

Response from my dad: "If it was bigger and a different shape, it could be a table, too."

[HisdaughterJen]

And the image in the circle looks remarkably like the sun rising over farmland--a perfectly American symbol--unless you deliberately change it to make the stripes red. Which it isn't.

This reminds me a lot of something I said when I was about 8. Looking at a piece of driftwood: "If that was bigger and a different shape, it would be a surfboard!"

Response from my dad: "If it was bigger and a different shape, it could be a table, too."
If you take the American flag and lay it on the ground (which is a desecration and disrespectful) in Obama's circular logo, how is the flag laying? Only SIX of the stripes are showing but you can picture it.

To me, that circular logo shows America bowing to the rising Obama.

[HisdaughterJen]

I am not an Obama fan as any of my posts regarding him will show.

However, THe spear in the image isn't piercing the flag, it goes behind the shield with the flag on it, and there is another flag coming off the spear. Much like a banner on a lance.


The flag is not tattered, it is simply fluttering. There is nothing in the image which shows and holes in the flag or tears in it at all.


Zoom in on the lower right hand corner and you will see the arrow/spear has pierced the flag which is behind the shield and the flag is tattered.

Further, I can't see the faded letters at all, even when I magnify the image.

The word "six" is in the 4th ray down from the eagle's head on the right side. The letters "S" and "I" are in a faint white, block font and the "x" is the star in that ray.

The number "6" is in the 1st ray down from the eagle's wing on the left side. It is VERY FAINT and dark blue/shadow in color and is sitting on the East-facing arm of the star. The arrow of the spear is almost pointing right at it but the six is just below where the arrow is pointing in the crux of the star between the North point and the East point of the star.

The only other six in the image is the six stripes on Obama's circular logo.



Also, the image of the eagle does not in the least suggest retreat.


Oh no? It has turned-tail and is about to fly away, looking over it's shoulder in the process.


Are those mushroom clouds behind the desecrated flag?

[Mling]

If you take the American flag and lay it on the ground (which is a desecration and disrespectful) in Obama's circular logo, how is the flag laying? Only SIX of the stripes are showing but you can picture it.

To me, that circular logo shows America bowing to the rising Obama.

You can do that if you wish. But Obama didn't.

You can see whatever image you want in it, but Obama didn't put it there.

[HisdaughterJen]

You can do that if you wish. But Obama didn't.

You can see whatever image you want in it, but Obama didn't put it there.
Then who's logo is it?

[MrJim]

Then who's logo is it?
http://bestsmileys.com/evil/11.gif

[HisdaughterJen]

http://bestsmileys.com/evil/11.gif
tee hee

[mont974x4]

I just heard this morning that walmart is the antiChrist

[Ishida]

I just heard this morning that walmart is the antiChrist
lol.

[Nadiine]

http://bestsmileys.com/evil/11.gif

I just heard this morning that walmart is the antiChrist
^_^ ^_^

[Mling]

Then who's logo is it?


I can't help but notice that your character is wearing blue.

Blue, the color traditionally associated with freedom--torn, cut and stitched back together in a frankenstein-like creation designed only to serve your character's selfish purposes of having "pretty" clothes.

And blond, too. Your character is blond--the color most associated with affluence and traditional ideas of "beauty."

Clearly, your character is a symbol of class inequality. The blond woman in fine flowing silk has made that dress from the tattered remains of the worker's lives, exploiting them and crushing what remains of their free spirits to serve her vanity.

And her smiling, innocent face suggests that you approve of this, doesn't it?



Oh? You claim that you didn't put that symbol out? Well who did? Who's character is it?

Look, anybody can look at anything and declare that it means anything they want. Doesn't mean diddly about the person who drew it in the first place.

[HisdaughterJen]

I can't help but notice that your character is wearing blue.

Blue, the color traditionally associated with freedom--torn, cut and stitched back together in a frankenstein-like creation designed only to serve your character's selfish purposes of having "pretty" clothes.

And blond, too. Your character is blond--the color most associated with affluence and traditional ideas of "beauty."

Clearly, your character is a symbol of class inequality. The blond woman in fine flowing silk has made that dress from the tattered remains of the worker's lives, exploiting them and crushing what remains of their free spirits to serve her vanity.

And her smiling, innocent face suggests that you approve of this, doesn't it?



Oh? You claim that you didn't put that symbol out? Well who did? Who's character is it?

Look, anybody can look at anything and declare that it means anything they want. Doesn't mean diddly about the person who drew it in the first place.
Well, I chose those things about my character because they are representative of ME.

If I were to create a symbol or logo or design that describes ME or my business or my beliefs, the symbolism would reflect ME, my business or my beliefs.
I would not create something that is not reflective of ME.

Your argument is that the symbolism in the design has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Obama or what he stands for/believes.

My argument is that it does indeed reflect what Obama stands for/believes.

[Mling]

No, my argument is that the symbolism *you* are seeing is absolutely not there. Obama created a variant of an American symbol, putting the eagle in a more realistic, less heraldic position; putting the olive branches and spears behind the flag and in the background instead of in the eagle's talons; adding in a very pastoral scene of a sun rising over farm-land, striped by a recent harvest. If you have ever flown over the midwest you know that that is what farmland looks like.

You are reading into it as much as I would be, if I actually took your dress-wearing girl and thought that it meant you approved of the oppression of the weak and the stripping of their personal freedoms to serve the elite. It would be insane if you had really put together that image with the intention of expressing that idea, *even though* it is possible for another person to come along and claim that that is what it means.

I am *not* claiming that the symbolism is there, but means nothing. I'm not talking about the image or Obama at all. I'm talking about you, and what *you* are putting in it.

[Nadiine]

Well, Obama's got alot bigger issues than what might or might not be represented on this flag -

I don't personally see them, but the issues he stands for and his "spiritual mentor" prove to be much more concrete to base a decision on than flag symbolisms you mite find or not

[HisdaughterJen]

No, my argument is that the symbolism *you* are seeing is absolutely not there. Obama created a variant of an American symbol, putting the eagle in a more realistic, less heraldic position; putting the olive branches and spears behind the flag and in the background instead of in the eagle's talons; adding in a very pastoral scene of a sun rising over farm-land, striped by a recent harvest. If you have ever flown over the midwest you know that that is what farmland looks like.

You are reading into it as much as I would be, if I actually took your dress-wearing girl and thought that it meant you approved of the oppression of the weak and the stripping of their personal freedoms to serve the elite. It would be insane if you had really put together that image with the intention of expressing that idea, *even though* it is possible for another person to come along and claim that that is what it means.

I am *not* claiming that the symbolism is there, but means nothing. I'm not talking about the image or Obama at all. I'm talking about you, and what *you* are putting in it.
I understand the point you are trying to make. You are saying that I am attributing symbolism into his design.

Are you not doing the same by suggesting that the red and white is a "pastoral scene of a sun rising over farm-land, striped by a recent harvest"?

Every symbol means something...it is "symbol"ic of what the person or business stands for.

Each item and color in both the American seal and the American flag MEANS something. When Obama (or anyone) takes those items and puts them in a different perspective as a new take on the old, then there is symbolism behind it that is meant to be understood.

For example:

There is a government code for the presentation of the American flag. It cannot have holes or tears in it. It is not supposed to touch the ground. It is not supposed to fly at night. Etcetera..

In Obama's design on the webpage, the American flag has an arrow/spear through it and it is tattered on the lower-right hand corner. The webpage is portrayed as NIGHT! Obama's circular logo in the center is supposed to be a moon.

Here is the symbolism in code:
http://www.state.gov/www/publications/great_seal.pdf

“The colours of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of
America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valour, and
Blue, the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice. The
Olive branch and arrows denote the power of peace & war which is exclusively
vested in Congress. The Constellation denotes a new State taking its
place and rank among other sovereign powers. The Escutcheon is born on the
breast of an American Eagle without any other supporters [figures represented
as holding up the shield] to denote that the United States of America
ought to rely on their own Virtue.

[MrJim]

You know, the bottom line is even if his banner was perfect he'd still not be a conservative choice~

[HisdaughterJen]

You know, the bottom line is even if his banner was perfect he'd still not be a conservative choice~
Well, you are right about that.

Just as Farrakhan and Rev Wright support Obama and say that Obama's denunciations of them are "just politics", I think that this particular design, hidden in the background of every page of Obama's website, is reassuring radicals of Obama's true anti-American agenda in spite of Obama's vocalizations to the contrary.

[Mling]

I understand the point you are trying to make. You are saying that I am attributing symbolism into his design.

Are you not doing the same by suggesting that the red and white is a "pastoral scene of a sun rising over farm-land, striped by a recent harvest"?

Of course...but, as we're talking about the *publicly used* symbol of a person who is trying to run for president, assuming that an illuminated semi-circle over a gently curved and striped image represents this:
http://www.co.orange.nc.us/soilwater/images/AerialPhoto_Farm.jpg


seems pretty darn reasonable, what with America's fetish for waving wheat and other fields of grain.

Certainly, anyway, it is more reasonable than the idea that a person seeking to become elected would use, as his symbol, an image of an upsidedown flag spread on the ground.

Visually, I will admit that it could go either way. Given that, I'll go with the interpretation that makes an iota of sense.


In Obama's design on the webpage, the American flag has an arrow/spear through it and it is tattered on the lower-right hand corner. The webpage is portrayed as NIGHT! Obama's circular logo in the center is supposed to be a moon.
Again, the image itself is pale, busy, and unclear, as it is all in blue-tone. But it looks to me that the spear goes *behind* the flag, not through it. So, again, I go with the interpretation that makes sense.

The smaller flag is fluttering, which means the edge will look decidedly uneven. I see nothing that suggests tatters.

The background is dark, yes, but it has to be, given that an illuminated *something* is being portrayed in blue-tone.
Whether it's the sun or the moon doesn't matter much to me, both the sun and the harvest moon fitting perfectly well in the scene.

In short, assuming that a scene, which pretty clearly could be something absolutely reasonable is, instead, meant to portray the Antichrist's moon rising over a destroyed America, or aliens invading bedrooms and kidnapping people, or anything else is just silly.

*Especially* when it is the public symbol of a would-be elected official. A man trying to get into office is simply *not* going to go broadcasting "I WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA!"

If you don't like Obama, fine, don't like him. There are plenty of valid reasons to not like the man. Inventing absurd things to read into a symbol just makes the anti-Obama position look ridiculous.

[MrJim]

what with America's fetish for waving wheat and other fields of grain.



It's a fetish that comes from eating~food is good ;)

[Mling]

It's a fetish that comes from eating~food is good ;)

It is, it's true...but we don't write many songs about cows.

[MrJim]

It is, it's true...but we don't write many songs about cows.

Yeah, never thought about it, but guess we wouldn't want to get too attached to Bossy before we send her to the butcher, and then there are the cowpies...grain is just a little cleaner you know:cool:

[HisdaughterJen]

Of course...but, as we're talking about the *publicly used* symbol of a person who is trying to run for president, assuming that an illuminated semi-circle over a gently curved and striped image represents this:
http://www.co.orange.nc.us/soilwater/images/AerialPhoto_Farm.jpg


seems pretty darn reasonable, what with America's fetish for waving wheat and other fields of grain.

Certainly, anyway, it is more reasonable than the idea that a person seeking to become elected would use, as his symbol, an image of an upsidedown flag spread on the ground.

Visually, I will admit that it could go either way. Given that, I'll go with the interpretation that makes an iota of sense.

Again, the image itself is pale, busy, and unclear, as it is all in blue-tone. But it looks to me that the spear goes *behind* the flag, not through it. So, again, I go with the interpretation that makes sense.

The smaller flag is fluttering, which means the edge will look decidedly uneven. I see nothing that suggests tatters.

The background is dark, yes, but it has to be, given that an illuminated *something* is being portrayed in blue-tone.
Whether it's the sun or the moon doesn't matter much to me, both the sun and the harvest moon fitting perfectly well in the scene.

In short, assuming that a scene, which pretty clearly could be something absolutely reasonable is, instead, meant to portray the Antichrist's moon rising over a destroyed America, or aliens invading bedrooms and kidnapping people, or anything else is just silly.

*Especially* when it is the public symbol of a would-be elected official. A man trying to get into office is simply *not* going to go broadcasting "I WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA!"

If you don't like Obama, fine, don't like him. There are plenty of valid reasons to not like the man. Inventing absurd things to read into a symbol just makes the anti-Obama position look ridiculous.
I'm going to have to print it out, highlighting the sixes and the weirdness in it and repost it so that you guys can see what I'm talking about. It is not my imagination.

[imind]

I think that this particular design, hidden in the background of every page of Obama's website, is reassuring radicals of Obama's true anti-American agenda in spite of Obama's vocalizations to the contrary.
rofl. i knew i'd find something amusing on this area of the board.

[Father Rick]

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1208827377

http://www.barackobama.com/images/bg.jpg


This image is the background image on every page of Obama's website. Zoom in and take a very close look.

The eagle is flying away.
The moon (of Obama) is rising over the dark night of America.
The flag has been run through with an arrow/spear and is in tatters.
And there's even "six", "6", and six stripes in it.
"SIX" is in white letters in the ray of the 4th star down from the eagles beak on the right.
"6" is in black in the upper-inner crux of the 1st star from the wing on the left.
The six stripes are in Obama's logo.

FREAKY!!!
As several have already pointed out...

1) The "flag" in front is not a flag at all, but is actually a shield, much like the one on the presidential seal seen here:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:en9aOLIAsmAhJM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg&h=600&w=600&sz=213&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=en9aOLIAsmAhJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSeal%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPresident%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-35,GGLD:en)

Behind that shield is a flag on a pole with a pointed finial-- a very common style, with a flag that is fluttering/wrapped around the pole. This was a very common style of presentation of the American flag in colonial art.


2) As to the 6 stripes... actually there are 13 stripes-- 6 red and 7 white-- representing the 13 colonies. Look presidential seal above and you will see exactly the same layout of the stripes.

3) As to claiming that the circle contains an upside down flag-- well that is strictly a matter of presumption/speculation. It is important to note that there is NO union at all in that image, strictly stripes. Therefore, to try to say that it is an American flag in any position is solely guesswork. In fact, if it IS a flag, with the stripes in the direction they are going the "missing union" would not be underneath the flag, making it upside down, but rather to the side of the stripe-- making the flag to be in it's correct position.

4) I blew the image up to about 4 times it's current size. I still can't find the supposed "6" hiding in the image. It just ain't there as far as I can tell.


I could keep going, but the point is that this kind of conspiracist junk thrown out by so many just serves to make Christians (and by inference, Christ) look silly.

If something is there, then it's there. But making up stuff just out of paranoia, well... such doesn't glorify Christ.

[PaladinGirl]

I'll be honest, I don't like Obama but I did not see what was described even when I zoomed in.

[NorrinRadd]

I'll be honest, I don't like Obama but I did not see what was described even when I zoomed in.

That's a big ditto.

I actually kind of *like* the logo.

Sheesh, what a thing to focus on! :doh:

[HisdaughterJen]

That's a big ditto.

I actually kind of *like* the logo.

Sheesh, what a thing to focus on! :doh:

Ok, people, I figured out how to write on the logo and show you exactly where the "hidden" things are.

see attachment.

[HisdaughterJen]

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115505&d=1211135526 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115505&d=1211135526)

Now compare:

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115506&d=1211136103 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115506&d=1211136103)

[Father Rick]

Ok, people, I figured out how to write on the logo and show you exactly where the "hidden" things are.

see attachment.
Well... I went back and looked again.... again, blowing the image up to about 4 times it's normal size.


There is no "6" in black...

There are brush strokes that could be made out as an "s" and an "I" on going into the star on the right-- but there is no "x", just the star... so there is no word "six".

If you count the outline of the image, then there are 6 stripes in the logo-- even though the sixth stripe really isn't a stripe but the ouline. (note that the thickness is uniform and the same size as the circle-- as compared to the other stripes that are thicker than the circle as well as being thicker on the left than on the right). But even if it is counted as 6 stripes, such is really irrelevant, since the other "6's" just don't exist.


And again, the flag is NOT torn, but is presented fluttering/wrapped around the pole which is a style that was common in colonial art.


Why do people insist on trying to find evil when there is none?

I don't care for Obama... but that doesn't give me (or anyone else) a right to accuse him of evil. In fact, scripture actually specifically condemns doing such.

[Lisa0315]

It's so weird that people can have symbolism of true feelings/beliefs right in their face and still can't see it.

Each and everything in the seal of the USA MEANS something and they meant for it to mean something. Obama has created his own "seal" based on the USA seal and everything in it MEANS something. It isn't rocket science or voodoo, it's people telling other people what they stand for and believe in. These things are created as a symbol for what you believe in and stand for!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg/150px-US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg)

"The main figure on the obverse (or front) of the seal is the coat of arms of the United States, a bald eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_eagle) with its wings outstretched (or "displayed", in heraldic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry) terms). From the eagle's perspective, it holds a bundle of thirteen arrows in its left talon, (referring to the thirteen original states), and an olive branch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_branch), in its right talon, both of which symbolize that the United States of America has "a strong desire for peace, but will always be ready for war." (see: Olive Branch Petition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Branch_Petition)). Although not specified by law, the olive branch is usually depicted with thirteen leaves and thirteen olives, again representing the thirteen original states. The eagle has its head turned towards the olive branch, said to symbolize a preference for peace. The eagle clutches the motto "E Pluribus Unum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Pluribus_Unum)" ("Out of Many, One") in its beak; over its head there appears a "glory" with thirteen mullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullet_%28heraldry%29) (stars) on a blue field. In the current (and several previous) dies of the great seal, the thirteen stars above the eagle are arranged in rows of 1-4-3-4-1, forming a six-pointed star."


Obama has taken the Seal of the USA and created his own rendition based on how he feels about America and what he thinks of it...in other words, what he believes and stands for.

So, in Obama's seal, it is night, the flag is in tatters with an arrow piercing it. The eagle has turned-tail and is running. His "moon" rising over a prone flag is placed over the stars and stripes shield. AND there are faint letters spelling "six" and the number 6 in the rays. Six is considered a blessed number in ISLAM, by the way.

http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1208827377

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:en9aOLIAsmAhJM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg/600px-Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg.png&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Seal_Of_The_President_Of_The_Unites_States_Of_America.svg&h=600&w=600&sz=213&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=en9aOLIAsmAhJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSeal%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPresident%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-35,GGLD:en)

I believe you.

Lisa

[MrJim]

~LISA~ :hug: :hug:

[Lisa0315]

~LISA~ :hug: :hug:

:hug: Shh...I am not really here. (Tiptoes back out) :D

[Nadiine]

:hug: Shh...I am not really here. (Tiptoes back out) :D
^_^

stick around Lisa, The water's fine lol

*ducking*

[Lisa0315]

^_^

stick around Lisa, The water's fine lol

*ducking*

:hug: Luvs me some Nadiine.


Lisa

[HisdaughterJen]

Well... I went back and looked again.... again, blowing the image up to about 4 times it's normal size.


There is no "6" in black...

There are brush strokes that could be made out as an "s" and an "I" on going into the star on the right-- but there is no "x", just the star... so there is no word "six".

If you count the outline of the image, then there are 6 stripes in the logo-- even though the sixth stripe really isn't a stripe but the ouline. (note that the thickness is uniform and the same size as the circle-- as compared to the other stripes that are thicker than the circle as well as being thicker on the left than on the right). But even if it is counted as 6 stripes, such is really irrelevant, since the other "6's" just don't exist.


And again, the flag is NOT torn, but is presented fluttering/wrapped around the pole which is a style that was common in colonial art.


Why do people insist on trying to find evil when there is none?

I don't care for Obama... but that doesn't give me (or anyone else) a right to accuse him of evil. In fact, scripture actually specifically condemns doing such.

You found the "SI" and the "X" is makes the word SIX. Do you think that's a mistake of some kind????

The number "6" is very faint, but it's there. The arrow points at it.

There are indeed 6 stripes on the center logo instead of the normal five:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:avDGrBPa280J:farm1.static.flickr.com/165/428458245_079bd3ff25.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/428458245_079bd3ff25.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/zara/428458245/&h=500&w=500&sz=73&tbnid=avDGrBPa280J:&tbnh=130&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Blogo&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1)

Compare to:

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115506&d=1211136103 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115506&d=1211136103)

The arrow has indeed pierced the stripe of the flag on the lower right corner.

The agenda is a "death to America as we know it" agenda and a rise of Obama agenda...which I suppose is what his logo "CHANGE" is all about.

Think about Islam and their intentions and goals. They couldn't conquer the West by war so they are trying to take over by using our laws against us. They have moved into Europe in large numbers, have multiplied and are now a significant "voting block" or at the very least, "influential minority". DO you think they moved there because they love the culture and religion? NO!!! They are demanding "rights" like burkas and separate facilities at public places, etc. It's like a chess game. They are putting their pieces in place to win the game which means world domination and implementation of Sharia law.

This design, in my opinion, reassures supporters whom he has publically rejected that his agenda is still the same as theirs no matter what he says in public. Farrahkan and Rev. Wright have also said this in their statements that his rejection of them is "just politics" and "mischief making". The design, as I stated, symbolizes that this is the dark night over America which is at death's door having an arrow pierced through the flag and the eagle abandoning it, with 666 in the logo...the number "6" which the arrow points at, the six stripes in the Obama seal, and the "SI" with the star as the "X" which makes the final six....666, being representative of the "blessed Quran", not the mark of the beast, according to Islam.

Bush has implemented special powers for the office of the President that pretty much makes the president a dictator in control of all resources, public and private, in case of emergency. Now, imagine a scenario (earthquake, plague or storms) that puts an anti-American, pro-Islamic leader in that position as a dictator. Americans will realize their worst nightmare.

And the left in this country won't know what hit 'em. Right now, they are siding with the pro-Islamic nations because they think that big, bad America has gone in and terrorized them so in an effort to appease and make retribution for our "failed" policies, they intend to give Islam standing in the world and in this country. Islam will get what they want with Obama as President. They will have "taken our King" in this real-life chess match and replaced him with their own. He will slowly implement pro-sharia laws that favor Islamic people and nations and then the liberals will find themselves scratching their heads while chopping blocks are set up to mame and kill dissenters including homosexuals (whom Ahmadinajad claims there are none in his country, saying it's just a Western phenomenon) and women's lib people who don't abide by Islam's hatred of women. They'll be scratching their heads as they stand in line for the chopping blocks with the Christians and Jews.

[Father Rick]

You found the "SI" and the "X" is makes the word SIX. Do you think that's a mistake of some kind????
Again..... there is no "X"... therefore, even IF the "SI" were intentional (and quite frankly, that is doubtful as it appears more to be brushstrokes rather than intentional letters) there is no word six.


The number "6" is very faint, but it's there. The arrow points at it.NO... there is NO "6"...

I blew the thing up 4 times regular size looking for it... it still isn't there.



There are indeed 6 stripes on the center logo instead of the normal five:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:avDGrBPa280J:farm1.static.flickr.com/165/428458245_079bd3ff25.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/428458245_079bd3ff25.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/zara/428458245/&h=500&w=500&sz=73&tbnid=avDGrBPa280J:&tbnh=130&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Blogo&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1)

Compare to:

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115506&d=1211136103 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115506&d=1211136103)The regular logo is in color...

due to the mono-tonal nature of the logo, there has to be an outline of the image-- with the outline creating what you are referring to as a sixth stripe.

If there was an intent of a 6th stripe, (and you seem to believe that there is this elaborate consipiracy to imbed all these things in the image) then why in the world would they design the logo with 5 stripes in color instead of having it the same both ways? If there truly was so much indepth thought put into all these hidden meanings, then why not show the meanings throughout?

Your logic here is clearly flawed. Obviously, there was NOT an intent to put a set number of stripes as part of a consipiracy to put "666" into the image-- either that, or the people who designed it are not nearly as clever as you make them out to be. Either way-- your logic is flawed.



The arrow has indeed pierced the stripe of the flag on the lower right corner.
No... the stripe is NOT pierced. Rather, the flag crosses IN FRONT OF the flagpole.
Attached is an enlargement of that section, so this can be clearly seen.

The agenda is a "death to America as we know it" agenda and a rise of Obama agenda...which I suppose is what his logo "CHANGE" is all about.

Think about Islam and their intentions and goals. They couldn't conquer the West by war so they are trying to take over by using our laws against us. They have moved into Europe in large numbers, have multiplied and are now a significant "voting block" or at the very least, "influential minority". DO you think they moved there because they love the culture and religion? NO!!! They are demanding "rights" like burkas and separate facilities at public places, etc. It's like a chess game. They are putting their pieces in place to win the game which means world domination and implementation of Sharia law.

Uhhh... You do know that Obama is NOT Muslim... that he actually converted to Christianity many years ago.

While I personally believe that the church he attends is quite liberal in some aspects and I disagree with him on many issues, the fact is that he has repeatedly, publicly denied Islam.



This design, in my opinion, reassures supporters whom he has publically rejected that his agenda is still the same as theirs no matter what he says in public. Farrahkan and Rev. Wright have also said this in their statements that his rejection of them is "just politics" and "mischief making". The design, as I stated, symbolizes that this is the dark night over America which is at death's door having an arrow pierced through the flag and the eagle abandoning it, with 666 in the logo...the number "6" which the arrow points at, the six stripes in the Obama seal, and the "SI" with the star as the "X" which makes the final six....666, being representative of the "blessed Quran", not the mark of the beast, according to Islam.And once again... there is no "X".... and the star is NOT an X. In fact, if you are trying to make the star represent a letter, it could equally be a "T" (since there is exactly as much difference between a star and a "t" as there is between a star and an "x"... so IF you insist on it being a word, it could equally be "sit".... Actually, a star is closer to the letter "A" than any other letter, but "SIA" isn't a word.



Bush has implemented special powers for the office of the President that pretty much makes the president a dictator in control of all resources, public and private, in case of emergency. Now, imagine a scenario (earthquake, plague or storms) that puts an anti-American, pro-Islamic leader in that position as a dictator. Americans will realize their worst nightmare.

And the left in this country won't know what hit 'em. Right now, they are siding with the pro-Islamic nations because they think that big, bad America has gone in and terrorized them so in an effort to appease and make retribution for our "failed" policies, they intend to give Islam standing in the world and in this country. Islam will get what they want with Obama as President. They will have "taken our King" in this real-life chess match and replaced him with their own. He will slowly implement pro-sharia laws that favor Islamic people and nations and then the liberals will find themselves scratching their heads while chopping blocks are set up to mame and kill dissenters including homosexuals (whom Ahmadinajad claims there are none in his country, saying it's just a Western phenomenon) and women's lib people who don't abide by Islam's hatred of women. They'll be scratching their heads as they stand in line for the chopping blocks with the Christians and Jews.
Lots of rhetoric here... based in innuendo and false accusation.

If you are going to make accusations against someone... or disagree with their politics... then such needs to be based in fact, not in gossip. Otherwise, you are guilty of slander-- which scripture condemns as sinful.

Despite the rumors that went around the internet-- which are proven to be hoaxes... Obama is NOT Muslim and does NOT support the Koran.


As a Christian, the end does NOT justify the means. We cannot go around throwing all sorts of accusations, etc. because we dislike a person's theology or their politics. Even if we think the person would be horrible for a particular political position, we are bound by scripture to ONLY present truth.... not gossip... not innuendo... not slander...


What you have said here, is in essence, "it doesn't matter what Obama says, he really has a secret agenda". Yet, there is absolutly NO evidence of this fact-- only gossip. And it is gossip that has been proven to be wrong on many points (especially the parts about Obama being pro-Islam).

[Father Rick]

As to the number "6"... here is a detail of that portion of the image-- blown up 300%.


If you squint really hard, you can make yourself see a "6" in the brush strokes (even though it's not actually completely connected--- a top stroke with a swirl underneath)... Actually, it is closer to the letter "G", and the swirls under it make a pretty good "o"... so we could say that Obama's people hid the word "GO". Why not? Such has just as much validity as the claim for it to be a "6". And since the "o" is just as clear, apparently it can't be "666"-- and at best has to be "6066" (if all your other claims are correct).


Remember, this is blown up 300%... so it takes manipulating the image to get enough to find these supposed "hidden symbols". It's kind of like watching the clouds go by and trying to make shapes out of them. If you work at it hard enough, the brain can piece together that it is "close enough" to remind you of something.

[Father Rick]

As to all the debate over the logo being an upside down flag... here is the logo in full color (as opposed to the red, white, and blue version).

As you can see, it is CLEARLY the sun rising over a field... NOT a moon (as alleged).... NOT an illusion to Islam in any way... and NOT 6 stripes but 5 (with the mono-tonal one requiring an outline).

There are multiple versions of it seen here (http://www.barackobama.com/people/)... EACH having 5 stripes except for the one drawn by a child (which is wrong compared to all the others), including the one for students which is on notebook paper (having 5 white lines to write on) and the one for veterans which mirrors the 5 stripes with 5 stars. They ALL show the same central image (just in red, white, and blue).

[Father Rick]

It should also be pointed out that the background you are referring to is actually hidden behind each webpage (and therefore not even seen.) There is a version of this one available for download (found here (http://www.barackobama.com/downloads/#)), however it does not have any of the elements you are pointing out (at least not in the high resolution version) and in fact, the design is reversed (as far as the eagle, flag, etc.)... so it would appear that all the protest is actually over something that is not even a real issue.

[Mling]

Where that 6 is supposed to be, I see a heart. Or maybe pac-man. When you get it that big, any variation in the color scheme looks like *something*.

[ladyt28]

... so it would appear that all the protest is actually over something that is not even a real issue.

Good luck getting that message through. I suggest we all just leave this thread be - it just doesn't seem to matter that no one else has "seen" the things that the OP has in this image.

[HisdaughterJen]

As to the number "6"... here is a detail of that portion of the image-- blown up 300%.


If you squint really hard, you can make yourself see a "6" in the brush strokes (even though it's not actually completely connected--- a top stroke with a swirl underneath)... Actually, it is closer to the letter "G", and the swirls under it make a pretty good "o"... so we could say that Obama's people hid the word "GO". Why not? Such has just as much validity as the claim for it to be a "6". And since the "o" is just as clear, apparently it can't be "666"-- and at best has to be "6066" (if all your other claims are correct).


Remember, this is blown up 300%... so it takes manipulating the image to get enough to find these supposed "hidden symbols". It's kind of like watching the clouds go by and trying to make shapes out of them. If you work at it hard enough, the brain can piece together that it is "close enough" to remind you of something.


Your detailed image is really good, actually. The number "6" really jumps out. Now, I added a 6 where it is so that people can see it on the 2nd one:

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115527&d=1211169548 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115527&d=1211169548) http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115551&d=1211236559 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115551&d=1211236559)


Definitely not a G because the inner line connects with the outer curved part. There are a lot of little circles all over the image but not O's.

[Father Rick]

Your detailed image is really good, actually. The number "6" really jumps out. Now, I added a 6 where it is so that people can see it on the 2nd one:

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115527&d=1211169548 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115527&d=1211169548) http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115551&d=1211236559 (http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115551&d=1211236559)


Definitely not a G because the inner line connects with the outer curved part. There are a lot of little circles all over the image but not O's.Uhhh....

You see it only because you've told yourself it's there. The brain can play amazing tricks. Everyone else looking says it's not there. (your image isn't showing up, btw)

AND... did you completely overlook the fact that it's NOT on the high resolution versions of the image (which means any image that may be there was not intentional, but just a result of the computer re-sizing the image).


And... as you say... there are lots of "little circles"... what do you think an "o" is? It's a little circle! :doh:

o 0 O o 0 O o 0 o o 0 O O 0 o o.....

Look... lots of circles!!

I wonder... was the true hidden message 60006000000006000000000? Maybe that's the number of voters Obama is hoping for!



I see you completely ignored all the other facts disproving your theories as well.

I don't care for Obama personally... but as a Christian we have a duty to be truthful, even about those we may not like.

[Mling]

Oh, just below the "6" there's a slightly skewed "8", and then another 6 just below it.

For what that's worth.

edit: oh, and looking at it again, I found another 8 below that!

[HisdaughterJen]

Oh, just below the "6" there's a slightly skewed "8", and then another 6 just below it.

For what that's worth.

edit: oh, and looking at it again, I found another 8 below that!

Well, at least you admit that you see the "6".

[HisdaughterJen]

Uhhh....

You see it only because you've told yourself it's there. The brain can play amazing tricks. Everyone else looking says it's not there. (your image isn't showing up, btw)

AND... did you completely overlook the fact that it's NOT on the high resolution versions of the image (which means any image that may be there was not intentional, but just a result of the computer re-sizing the image).


And... as you say... there are lots of "little circles"... what do you think an "o" is? It's a little circle! :doh:

o 0 O o 0 O o 0 o o 0 O O 0 o o.....

Look... lots of circles!!

I wonder... was the true hidden message 60006000000006000000000? Maybe that's the number of voters Obama is hoping for!



I see you completely ignored all the other facts disproving your theories as well.

I don't care for Obama personally... but as a Christian we have a duty to be truthful, even about those we may not like.

You misunderstand. I am being truthful. It's not about whether I personally like him or not...in fact, I do...I think he's handsome and has a magnetic personality.

It's totally about the symbolism in the design which is indicative of his anti-American, divisive words, votes, background, associations, and his contradictions.

Check this out:

What is this?
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...Zk5xnYygW1W67w (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w)


"Pitching his message to Oregon's environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to "lead by example" on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added."



1. Hello? This is America, right?

2. Who cares what other countries say about us?

3. How is he going to stop Americans from driving our SUV's, eating as much as we want, and keeping our homes set on 72 degrees all the time?

4. He declares, "That's not going to happen"...what does he intend to DO about it?

5. Sounds like a socialist/marxist agenda to me!


I mean, come on people, look at the man's words, his background, his voting record, his associations...he wants change for America, all right...he wants the Marxist socialism that is pounded into the minds of young people in colleges and universities in this country.

[HisdaughterJen]

Uhhh....

You see it only because you've told yourself it's there. The brain can play amazing tricks. Everyone else looking says it's not there. (your image isn't showing up, btw)

AND... did you completely overlook the fact that it's NOT on the high resolution versions of the image (which means any image that may be there was not intentional, but just a result of the computer re-sizing the image).


And... as you say... there are lots of "little circles"... what do you think an "o" is? It's a little circle! :doh:

o 0 O o 0 O o 0 o o 0 O O 0 o o.....

Look... lots of circles!!

I wonder... was the true hidden message 60006000000006000000000? Maybe that's the number of voters Obama is hoping for!



I see you completely ignored all the other facts disproving your theories as well.

I don't care for Obama personally... but as a Christian we have a duty to be truthful, even about those we may not like.

You misunderstand. I am being truthful. It's not about whether I personally like him or not...in fact, I do...I think he's handsome and has a magnetic personality.

It's totally about the symbolism in the design which is indicative of his anti-American, divisive words, votes, background, associations, and his contradictions.

Check this out:

What is this?
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...Zk5xnYygW1W67w (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w)


"Pitching his message to Oregon's environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to "lead by example" on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added."



1. Hello? This is America, right?

2. Who cares what other countries say about us?

3. How is he going to stop Americans from driving our SUV's, eating as much as we want, and keeping our homes set on 72 degrees all the time?

4. He declares, "That's not going to happen"...what does he intend to DO about it?

5. Sounds like a socialist/marxist agenda to me!


I mean, come on people, look at the man's words, his background, his voting record, his associations...he wants change for America, all right...he wants the Marxist socialism that is pounded into the minds of young people in colleges and universities in this country. (speaking from experience)

Marx·ism (märkhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifshttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifzhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifm)
n. The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society. (in other words, communism)

Noun1.Marxism - the economic and political theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels that hold that human actions and institutions are economically determined and that class struggle is needed to create historical change and that capitalism will ultimately be superseded by communism

..."economically determined"...."class struggle is needed to create historical change"...hmmm...isn't that why Obama's pastor preaches the things he does about America?

America is the anti-thesis of this ideology. No wonder the symbolism in the design seems to show "death to America"!

The problem is, Islam also shouts "death to America"! The coming one world government will also be this type of government..."so that no one can buy or sell unless he takes the mark"...

[HisdaughterJen]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=64828 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64828)

"Christians copy Christ killers, says Obama pastor's magazine
'George Bush, unwitting prophets of Baal distort true practice of Gospel of Jesus'"



"But Kurtz found a 2006 speech Obama delivered at a conference in which the presidential candidate spoke of how he came to his faith due to the political and black-focus of his church:
"But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn to the church," said Obama.
"For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of African-American religious tradition to spur social change. … [T]he black church understands in an intimate way the biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge the powers and principalities. … I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; it is an active, palpable agent in the world. It is a source of hope.
"It was because of these newfound understandings," Obama said, "that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and affirm my Christian faith.""

(What about Jesus? Why wasn't it because of a love for Jesus that made Obama "finally able to walk down the aisle of (church) and affirm (his) Christian faith"?)


Marx·ism (märkhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifshttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifzhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifm)
n. The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society. (in other words, communism)




So, Obama said he "walked the aisle and affirmed his Christian faith"....

"On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama's Church and reported the following conversation (http://www.thestraightway.org/frequentlyaskedq.html): " I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: "No, we have many Muslim members in our church." "
http://web.israelinsider.com/Article...tics/12745.htm (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm)

How does the Bible say that we "affirm our Christian faith"?

Rom 10:9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Rom&chapter=10&version=NIV#) That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Rom&chapter=10&version=NIV#) For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Rom 10:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Rom&chapter=10&version=NIV#) As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Rom&chapter=10&version=NIV#) For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile–the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,


(we aren't black or white, African or American in God's eyes)



Obama "believes in the power of African-American religious tradition to spur social change". He says, THIS is why he 'walked the aisle' and affirmed his 'Christian' faith.

THIS is why that design on his website shows a defeated and dying America with his logo firmly over it.