Police break up unholy brawl in Church of the Holy Sepulchre

[HadassahSukkot]

Last time it was the priests... this time.. the worshippers :doh:

...Some 20 [police] officers intervened after Armenian worshippers threw a Greek Orthodox priest out of the church, sparking a free-for-all, they said...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080420133039.d2v7rrej&show_article=1


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[Lulav]

What a Shtunk! :(

[Lulav]

I am confused, they still haven't celebrated their Easter?

Several worshippers then started beating the police officers with palm fronds (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=palm%20fronds&sid=breitbart.com) they were holding for the Palm Sunday celebrations that mark the return of Jesus to the Holy City (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Holy%20City&sid=breitbart.com) a week before he was crucified.

Yeah, that will provoke to jealousy! :doh:

[Lulav]

Precisely in order to prevent such disturbances, two Muslim families have been entrusted for the past 800 years with opening and closing the gates of the church, a cavernous labyrinth of chapels and crypts built on the site where many Christians believe Jesus was crucified and buried. You entrust your most holiest site to those who proclaim in the very same city that G-d has no son? :o:eek::doh::swoon:

[Torah613]

Lulav, in the Eastern Church Pascha (any Orthodox priest worth his salt would tell you that Easter is a heretical term) is celebrated on a different calander so as to always fall during or after Pesach. This year, this coming sunday is their Pascha.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

I think when we rebuild the temple we should give control to the waqf. That makes loads of sense! not.

Yochanan

[Lulav]

Lulav, in the Eastern Church Pascha (any Orthodox priest worth his salt would tell you that Easter is a heretical term) is celebrated on a different calander so as to always fall during or after Pesach. This year, this coming sunday is their Pascha.

Yochanan This is so confusing, so the other churches celebrate a month before us and this church celebrates a week after? :scratch:

[Torah613]

who created the calander currently used in the western world on which today is April 25th? that would be Pope Gregory the 13th. The RC Church seperated from the Orthodox church completely as of the year 1054 but had been going at it for some time in actuallity. (the RC would say the Orthodox seperated from them, but this is pure historical folly) This would be considerably before the setting of the calander and thus the new calander as its called would have been viewed as heretical.

Not to mention the Orthodox church thought it stupid to celebrate easter before Passover. Thus they contine to use the Julian or Old calander on which today is in actuallity April 11th.

Yochanan

[zaksmummy]

You entrust your most holiest site to those who proclaim in the very same city that G-d has no son? :o:eek::doh::swoon:
The way I heard it was that there was so much arguing and threatening to lock each other out between the different christian groups that the only people they all agreed to trust was the Muslims.

[Torah613]

yeah that's pretty much how it went. That particular church is coowned and coused by 8 different churches that all think the other ones are heretics. Its not an uncommon sight there to have Eastern Orthodox and Fransiscan (RC) Monks come to blows.

Yochanan

[ShirChadash]

Shocking behavior? Yes. Surprising? Not at all, sadly.

[Torah613]

I agree Shir. After all, this is the selfsame conflict that resulted in the sack of constantinople centuries ago.

What's it all about? Why aren't the RC and EO one big happy family? the shocking answer is one word. the RC added a word to the niceene creed (Filioque-and the son) and thus sparked a thousand year old catfight.

shakes head, goyim.

yochanan

[Mikeb85]

I agree Shir. After all, this is the selfsame conflict that resulted in the sack of constantinople centuries ago.

What's it all about? Why aren't the RC and EO one big happy family? the shocking answer is one word. the RC added a word to the niceene creed (Filioque-and the son) and thus sparked a thousand year old catfight.

shakes head, goyim.

yochanan

It's alot more than that. By changing the nicene creed outside of a council (how the Orthodox church has always and still does decide things, ever since the council of Jerusalem as described in Acts 15), Rome was acting outside it's authority. It also tried to impose it's authority over the other Patriarchates (to make up for the political authority it lost after the Roman empire broke up). There were also many theological disputes leading up to the schism. The filioque was just one of many conflicts leading up to the schism.

Once Latin crusaders sacked Constantinople, and defiled the Hagia Sophia (Church of Holy Wisdom) and other holy places, stole relics, pillaged the city, etc... - then the schism was complete.

Not to mention, ever since the Great Schism the Roman church has altered the faith, adding innovations such as: purgatory, indulgences, papal superiority, papal infallibility, the assumption of Mary, etc...

It's impossible for reunification unless Rome comes back to the original faith, which seems very unlikely nowadays...

[Torah613]

You are right, history is always more complex than a one sentance answer.

Yochanan