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Lulav
19th April 2008, 01:59 PM
I believe he did.

We can see this most clearly in the Gospel of John


1 It was just before the festival of Pesach, and Yeshua knew that the time had come for him to pass from this world to the Father. Having loved his own people in the world, he loved them to the end. 2 They were at supper, and the Adversary had already put the desire to betray him into the heart of Y'hudah Ben-Shim`on from K'riot. 3 Yeshua was aware that the Father had put everything in his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God. 4 So he rose from the table, removed his outer garments and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 Then he poured some water into a basin and began to wash the feet of the talmidim and wipe them off with the towel wrapped around him. 6 He came to Shim`on Kefa, who said to him, "Lord! You are washing my feet?" 7 Yeshua answered him, "You don't understand yet what I am doing, but in time you will understand." 8 "No!" said Kefa, "You will never wash my feet!" Yeshua answered him, "If I don't wash you, you have no share with me." 9 "Lord," Shim`on Kefa replied, "not only my feet, but my hands and head too!" 10 Yeshua said to him, "A man who has had a bath doesn't need to wash, except his feet -- his body is already clean. And you people are clean, but not all of you." 11 (He knew who was betraying him; this is why he said, "Not all of you are clean.") 12 After he had washed their feet, taken back his clothes and returned to the table, he said to them, "Do you understand what I have done to you? 13 You call me `Rabbi' and `Lord,' and you are right, because I am. 14 Now if I, the Lord and Rabbi, have washed your feet, you also should wash each other's feet. 15 For I have set you an example, so that you may do as I have done to you. 16 Yes, indeed! I tell you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is an emissary greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
18 "I'm not talking to all of you -- I know which ones I have chosen. But the words of the Tanakh must be fulfilled that say, `The one eating my bread has turned against me.' 19 I'm telling you now, before it happens; so that when it does happen, you may believe that I AM [who I say I am]. 20 Yes, indeed! I tell you that a person who receives someone I send receives me, and that anyone who receives me receives the One who sent me." 21 After saying this, Yeshua, in deep anguish of spirit, declared, "Yes, indeed! I tell you that one of you will betray me." 22 The talmidim stared at one another, totally mystified -- whom could he mean? 23 One of his talmidim, the one Yeshua particularly loved, was reclining close beside him. 24 So Shim`on Kefa motioned to him and said, "Ask which one he's talking about." 25 Leaning against Yeshua's chest, he asked Yeshua, "Lord, who is it?" 26 Yeshua answered, "It's the one to whom I give this piece of matzah after I dip it in the dish." So he dipped the piece of matzah and gave it to Y'hudah Ben-Shim`on from K'riot. 27 As soon as Y'hudah took the piece of matzah, the Adversary went into him. "What you are doing, do quickly!" Yeshua said to him. 28 But no one at the table understood why he had said this to him. 29 Some thought that since Y'hudah was in charge of the common purse, Yeshua was telling him, "Buy what we need for the festival," or telling him to give something to the poor. 30 As soon as he had taken the piece of matzah, Y'hudah went out, and it was night.
31 After Y'hudah had left, Yeshua said, "Now the Son of Man has been glorified, and God has been glorified in him. 32 If the Son has glorified God, God will himself glorify the Son, and will do so without delay.

This is what I take from this, Yeshua died to save all Jews, and to cleanse them all, but not all will remain cleansed. He went around to each of them and washed their feet, in a ceremony reminiscent of Bidikat chametz. He washed each one of them, but then even after that sin entered into one and he became eternally unclean.

visionary
19th April 2008, 02:12 PM
Bedikat Chametz is a procedure followed by Orthodox Jews on the night before the Jewish festival of Pesach. On this festival, not only are Jews not permitted to eat Chametz (leaven products, such as bread), they aren't allowed to have any in their posession.

In the run-up to Pesach, all religious Jews will speak to their local Rabbi and arrange for the sale of their Chametz. This is a process whereby any chametz products they may own are sold to a local non-Jew (often the caretaker of the Synagogue) for a typically very large amount. However, the non-Jew is allowed to take posession on payment of a downpayment (typically a very small amount), but until the full amount is paid, the Rabbi can buy the chametz back again. This means that for the duration of Pesach, the non-Jew owns all the chametz in the community, and the Rabbi buys it back straight after the festival. When arranging with the Rabbi, you often have to specify where in your house the chametz will be kept (eg "the garage"), as theoretically, the non-Jew could come to your house and eat it if he wants!

Judas did eat.

visionary
19th April 2008, 02:36 PM
The search usually takes place immediately after nightfall on the evening before Pesach, although this is different if Pesach starts on a saturday night (see below).

Before the search, one member of the family hides a number of small pieces of bread (5 or 10), wrapped up in paper towels, around the house. This is for two reasons.

Knowing there is bread around the house, encourages the person(s) doing the searching to look more thoroughly.
We are about to make a Bracha (blessing), and a "Wasted Blessing" is a serious issue in Judaism. So, by hiding pieces of bread, we are guaranteed to find one, hence the blessing isn't wasted.
Of course, the person who hides them doesn't partake in the search itself, and must keep track of where they were!

The father then makes the blessing.

Barukh atah Adonai Eloheinu melekh ha-olam, asher kidshanu b'mitzvohtav v'tzi-vanu al Biur Chametz.
Blessed art thou, O Lord our God, King of the universe, who has set us apart by your commandments and has commanded us regarding the removal of the Chametz.

They then work methodically around the house, traditionally with the lights off, working by candlelight as this encourages you to look closely. Of course they are looking for the intentionally hidden bread, but also for any other things which are chametz which should be placed with the other chametz that is being sold.

Yeshua was sold for thirty pieces of silver.

Lulav
19th April 2008, 02:40 PM
He also cleansed the temple of the leaven of the Pharisees

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/annas.htm

Lulav
19th April 2008, 02:43 PM
Bedikat Chametz is a procedure followed by Orthodox Jews on the night before the Jewish festival of Pesach. On this festival, not only are Jews not permitted to eat Chametz (leaven products, such as bread), they aren't allowed to have any in their posession.

In the run-up to Pesach, all religious Jews will speak to their local Rabbi and arrange for the sale of their Chametz. This is a process whereby any chametz products they may own are sold to a local non-Jew (often the caretaker of the Synagogue) for a typically very large amount. However, the non-Jew is allowed to take posession on payment of a downpayment (typically a very small amount), but until the full amount is paid, the Rabbi can buy the chametz back again. This means that for the duration of Pesach, the non-Jew owns all the chametz in the community, and the Rabbi buys it back straight after the festival. When arranging with the Rabbi, you often have to specify where in your house the chametz will be kept (eg "the garage"), as theoretically, the non-Jew could come to your house and eat it if he wants!

Judas did eat.I know what Bedikat Chametz is, and I am not an Orthodox jew, yet we are commanded to search and rid of it. I also never said that Judah didn't eat, but that he was unclean. I was showing the spiritual lesson Yeshua was giving, and the leaven which makes one unclean. :)

And so it goes to show you, you can eat from the L-RD's table and even be washed ( mikvah or baptism) by him, yet you can still become unclean!

Lulav
19th April 2008, 02:47 PM
The search usually takes place immediately after nightfall on the evening before Pesach, although this is different if Pesach starts on a saturday night (see below).

Before the search, one member of the family hides a number of small pieces of bread (5 or 10), wrapped up in paper towels, around the house. This is for two reasons.

Knowing there is bread around the house, encourages the person(s) doing the searching to look more thoroughly.
We are about to make a Bracha (blessing), and a "Wasted Blessing" is a serious issue in Judaism. So, by hiding pieces of bread, we are guaranteed to find one, hence the blessing isn't wasted.
Of course, the person who hides them doesn't partake in the search itself, and must keep track of where they were!

The father then makes the blessing.

Barukh atah Adonai Eloheinu melekh ha-olam, asher kidshanu b'mitzvohtav v'tzi-vanu al Biur Chametz.
Blessed art thou, O Lord our God, King of the universe, who has set us apart by your commandments and has commanded us regarding the removal of the Chametz.

They then work methodically around the house, traditionally with the lights off, working by candlelight as this encourages you to look closely. Of course they are looking for the intentionally hidden bread, but also for any other things which are chametz which should be placed with the other chametz that is being sold.

Yeshua was sold for thirty pieces of silver. It would be nice if you gave your source, you have ( see below) and there is nothing to see. ;)

Also I don't see how you are equating Yeshua being sold for 30 pieces, with hometz being sold. Chometz is sin, are you calling Yeshua the sin found in the house? :scratch: I don't think so, but that is how it looks

Oh, and he wasn't sold, he was betrayed. Joseph was sold into slavery, was sold and bought as a slave.

visionary
19th April 2008, 02:59 PM
He also cleansed the temple of the leaven of the Pharisees

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/annas.htmMark 11:12-26
12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. 15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts.

Matthew 21:12-17
12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'" 14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant. 16 "Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?" 17 And he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.

John 2:12-22
12 After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days. 13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

From these verses I am thinking the timing is off to be Bedikat Chametz.. but as an allegory.. sure

zaksmummy
19th April 2008, 04:01 PM
Thank you for the thread and the explanation

visionary
19th April 2008, 04:34 PM
He took on the sins of the world. It would be nice if you gave your source, you have ( see below) and there is nothing to see. ;)

Also I don't see how you are equating Yeshua being sold for 30 pieces, with hometz being sold. Chometz is sin, are you calling Yeshua the sin found in the house? :scratch: I don't think so, but that is how it looks

Oh, and he wasn't sold, he was betrayed. Joseph was sold into slavery, was sold and bought as a slave.2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.