Matt. 28:19 (Fundamentalist Christians Only)

[JM]

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I was shocked, but maybe I shouldn't be, at the response to my post 'door to door.' It seems many on this forum have a much better way to share the Gospel then to preach it where people are known to be, what are some of the ways you use to share the Gospel with the lost? Do you hit the streets or sit and wait for sinners to come to your Church?

[Kelly]

I am new (less that a year) Christian, I don't feel armed enough to witness, although I do try to expose my non-believing friends and family to Jesus.

[muffler dragon]

The Great Commission is something that I am studying presently, but haven't gotten to any definite conclusions yet. The only part that I have found out that is rather interesting is the fact that the statement "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" may very well be a late addition.

Take care,

m.d.

[JM]

The Great Commission is something that I am studying presently, but haven't gotten to any definite conclusions yet. The only part that I have found out that is rather interesting is the fact that the statement "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" may very well be a late addition.

Take care,

m.d.
It may help you to know that God gave us the Bible, no late additions at all.

Rule 1. Maintains an immovable allegiance to the inerrant, infallible, and verbally Inspired Bible;

[Razorbuck]

I have gone door-to-door many times with varied results. I've also preached on street corners and at university "free-speech" events. The number of people who came to Christ was small, but we cannot take a pragmatic approach to the gospel. We are commanded to go preach Christ and Him crucified. We are commanded to disciple those who come to Him. Scripture guarantees no certain level of success, no number that dictates whether a method is deemed effective.

My Lord Jesus preached in the streets, in the marketplace and in God's Holy Temple. I will do the same.

God bless you all.

[muffler dragon]

It may help you to know that God gave us the Bible, no late additions at all.
Dear SP:

Are you assuming that I feel the Bible came from some other source?

Before you jump on my with this type of thing, you might want to make sure what you're assuming.

I believe in the Word of G-d; however, there are some things that are in our earliest transcripts that aren't elsewhere and vice versa.

But then again, by seeing your signature, you probably won't care about these statements anyway.

m.d.

[JM]

Dear SP:

Are you assuming that I feel the Bible came from some other source?

Before you jump on my with this type of thing, you might want to make sure what you're assuming.

I believe in the Word of G-d; however, there are some things that are in our earliest transcripts that aren't elsewhere and vice versa.

But then again, by seeing your signature, you probably won't care about these statements anyway.

m.d.
After you posted this, I KNOW I didn't assume anything. God's word is whole with no additions, it depends if you have the word of God or not...but in modern times we find subtractions...:sorry:

[JM]

I have gone door-to-door many times with varied results. I've also preached on street corners and at university "free-speech" events. The number of people who came to Christ was small, but we cannot take a pragmatic approach to the gospel. We are commanded to go preach Christ and Him crucified. We are commanded to disciple those who come to Him. Scripture guarantees no certain level of success, no number that dictates whether a method is deemed effective.

My Lord Jesus preached in the streets, in the marketplace and in God's Holy Temple. I will do the same.

God bless you all.
:amen:

I've found so much joy with my relationship with Christ I can't keep it to myself.

[muffler dragon]

After you posted this, I KNOW I didn't assume anything. God's word is whole with no additions, it depends if you have the word of God or not...but in modern times we find subtractions...:sorry:
Well, at least you stand by your convictions: correct or not.

[simchat_torah]

After you posted this, I KNOW I didn't assume anything. God's word is whole with no additions, it depends if you have the word of God or not...but in modern times we find subtractions...:sorry:After you posted this, I see ignorance abundant... and I KNOW that you assumed a ton.

[JM]

After you posted this, I see ignorance abundant... and I KNOW that you assumed a ton.Thanks, I do. I can assume you didn't read the part about 'Fundamentalist Only.'

[WolfGate]

After you posted this, I KNOW I didn't assume anything. God's word is whole with no additions, it depends if you have the word of God or not...but in modern times we find subtractions...:sorry:
I believe the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments, to be the inspired Word of God, without error in the original writings, the complete revelation of His will for the salvation of men and the Divine and final authority for Christian faith and life. I think that lines up with Rule #1, except that rule #1 left out the (more fundamentalist IMHO) factor of the original writings.

Haven't done muffler dragon's study, so I can't comment on the passage in the original writings. But it seems odd to me that you quote what is not the original writings and use it to criticize, without knowing the details, what I interpret as a person's comments who may be looking at the original writings.

[muffler dragon]

Thanks, I do. I can assume you didn't read the part about 'Fundamentalist Only.'
Apparently the title of Fundamentalist has a lot more baggage than what I had thought.

My mistake.

I'll move on and let you have your thread.

I would like to point out that I did not post in this thread to be contentious. However, your immediate response to me left something to be desired.

m.d.

[JM]

Apparently the title of Fundamentalist has a lot more baggage than what I had thought.

My mistake.

I'll move on and let you have your thread.

I would like to point out that I did not post in this thread to be contentious. However, your immediate response to me left something to be desired.

m.d.
Sorry, I tend to sound very harsh in writing; I really don’t mean to be. I’m also a bit defensive living up here in liberal Canada I find myself under attack all the time. Forgive me; please continue to post in this thread.

[muffler dragon]

There is really nothing more that I had intentions of saying. I just wanted to mention from the get-go that I had been studying the Great Commission (meaning, audience...), and that I had been informed there was a possibility of the trinity being an added statement.

Apology accepted.

m.d.

[JM]

Thx m.d.

I haven't been here long and didn't want enemy's...already anyways. :pray:

[muffler dragon]

Thx m.d.

I haven't been here long and didn't want enemy's...already anyways. :pray:
You wouldn't have been an enemy, you just never would have heard from me again: good, bad or neutral.

The thing about it, brother, is that it is good to remember that 'fire' serves a purpose, but it isn't always the best way to go forth. Timing, context, and atmosphere make a huge difference.

m.d.

[rooster]

There is really nothing more that I had intentions of saying. I just wanted to mention from the get-go that I had been studying the Great Commission (meaning, audience...), and that I had been informed there was a possibility of the trinity being an added statement.

Apology accepted.

m.d.
Another trinitarian verse, 1st John 5:7 is almost certainly an interpolation, the controversy surrounding it was called the "Johannine Comma".
I have also heard that the latter part of the "great Comission" could very well be an addition but have not read much about it. perhaps you could point me where to look

So so sorry to derail this thread.

[rooster]

ok, in response to the OP.
Perhaps i should quote a certain frizzy haired nerd called Albert. He said "Setting an example isnot the main means of influencing others, it is the only means"

So in a sense, i myself do not think door to door is such a great method because it would seem like you're selling a product. I believe in buidling personal relationships and demonstrations of a life (hopefull your own) that is change by G-d and regenerated by his Holy Spirit.

[WolfGate]

Matt. 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I was shocked, but maybe I shouldn't be, at the response to my post 'door to door.' It seems many on this forum have a much better way to share the Gospel then to preach it where people are known to be, what are some of the ways you use to share the Gospel with the lost? Do you hit the streets or sit and wait for sinners to come to your Church?Back to the original post as well. I neither hit the street nor wait for sinners to come to my church (though they do come, and that's a good thing). Rather we do the following:

Share my faith with the non-Christians around me with whom I have developed a relationship. Co-workers, friends, family, people I work out with regularly, etc.

Support missionaries who are going into the field.

Go on short term mission trips

Develop events within our church that will be of interest to seekers. A required component of this is that the gospel is shared as relationships are being built. Many times these people come back on Sunday and increase their understanding of grace and what it means to follow Christ.

etc.

[BarbB]

Thanks, I do. I can assume you didn't read the part about 'Fundamentalist Only.'

You may not have realized that Fundamentalist is just about fundamentalist anything Judeo/Christian. simchat_torah has posted previously and hopefully will again. I'm glad that your disagreement with md has been settled and I certainly sympathize with your position in Canada, but do not take it out on posters you don't know! Thanks - and glad you are here! :wave:

[Marissa]

My experience from observing christians, myself included, is that most don't spread the gospel at all. If religion comes up, they'll talk about it and "live an example" but that's about it. Living an example is a great thing and I believe 100% necessary, but if people don't know what you're an example of, then it won't help lead them to Jesus.

The message of the gospel isn't "look how good does it makes me", but rather "how good is Christ, that he did this for me?"

We don't get people saved, no matter how good a christian life we lead. Christ does, so it's Christ we need out there. Which means I'm getting better at spreading the gospel, and I encourage others too.

I often get asked what is the success of street preaching and the like. I wonder what is the success of simply living an example. How many christians have been lead to the Lord by an example alone?

[JM]

You may not have realized that Fundamentalist is just about fundamentalist anything Judeo/Christian. simchat_torah has posted previously and hopefully will again. I'm glad that your disagreement with md has been settled and I certainly sympathize with your position in Canada, but do not take it out on posters you don't know! Thanks - and glad you are here! :wave:
Your right, I was wrong...I assumed too much when I thought the fundamentalist forum on christianforums.com was Christian Fundamentalism. Sorry and thanks for the welcome.

[Lynn73]

I'm not bold enough to go door to door but I do leave tracts around and will try to witness when opportunity arises. I have handed tracts directly to people a few times.

[BarbB]

Your right, I was wrong...I assumed too much when I thought the fundamentalist forum on christianforums.com was Christian Fundamentalism. Sorry and thanks for the welcome.

You're more than welcome! :wave:

The Fundamentalist forum was begun because we were getting beaten up by the Bible is myth crowd. This way we can talk about subjects we agree on and it's been a blessing to all of us! Some very strong friendships have been formed. We have all denoms and Jewish and Messianic! :clap:

[Paula]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard some Messianics say they do not identify themselves with Christian Fundamentalist beliefs.

[JM]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard some Messianics say they do not identify themselves with Christian Fundamentalist beliefs.
That is what I've heard...IMO fundamentalism (in the Church) is a very distinct form of Christianity, but hey, we learn something new every day. :)

[muffler dragon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard some Messianics say they do not identify themselves with Christian Fundamentalist beliefs.
This is by no means an across-the-board statement, but to sum up the Messianic approach to the Bible for myself would be to believe that it is the Word of G-d. Y'shua (Jesus) is the embodiment of the Torah.

Messianicism is a very broad spectrum of beliefs and sometimes people will convert to Judaism out of it. Many will not.

My definition of fundamentalism is the just that: the fundamentals, no peripherals, no glitz. I find it refreshing. However, in general, and not in regards to any denom. or otherwise; I am finding a great deal of pagan background to the church as it stands today. This does not make me shun it. This does not mean that I do not love my brothers and sisters. It's more of an approach to looking at the Word through the eyes of the authors.

This is probably more than what any one wanted to hear or know. But here's an answer to the original OP. I have not been called to go out at this point in time. I have not been called to go out for the past 3 years. However, I try my best not to turn my nose when the L-rd presents an opportunity or person to me to help or address.

I just happen to be on a very personal path right now with G-d, and I'm trying my best to be obedient and quiet in His presence.

As a last statement, I would like to mention that Messianism isn't really a denom.; it's more like a completely different worldview. That's not an exclusivity or haughtiness, just an approach.

Take care all. I'll be around sparingly (and not often) as I am chilling at the beach.

m.d.

[TheScottsMen]

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[JM]

HUH? DO you think you define what a Fundamentalist is???? A fundamentalist does not have to hold to KJV only or anything else you believe. A funndie is simply somebody who takes the Word of God at face value. "I can assume" you should have called the post, "Street Preacher Doctrine & Dogma Only", not "Fundamentalist Only" as you clearly are having a hard time with the term. For instance, someone may call m ea Dispensationalist, but then to assume that because I'm a Dispensationalist that I believe that the Church started in Acts 2 would be incorrect (I'm a mid-act Ch9) but either way, I'm still a Dispensationalist. The same could be said about Christian Fundamentalist.
You're jumpin' on the band wagon a little late, don't ya think? I already admitted I was wrong...can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

[Harry the Heretic]

I have wrestled with this issue. Does the great commission apply to every individual or the true body of Christ as a whole?

I mention this in light of Paul's teaching on the gifts distributed to the body ie. some apostles, some evangelists, some pastors, some teachers.

I believe that it applies to the body and that every congregation needs to fulfill that commission, but not necessarily each individual within it. Their gift may lie elsewhere.

God Bless

[praying]

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I was shocked, but maybe I shouldn't be, at the response to my post 'door to door.' It seems many on this forum have a much better way to share the Gospel then to preach it where people are known to be, what are some of the ways you use to share the Gospel with the lost? Do you hit the streets or sit and wait for sinners to come to your Church?

why do you seek answers from fundamentalist Christians only?

[Paula]

Matt. 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I was shocked, but maybe I shouldn't be, at the response to my post 'door to door.' It seems many on this forum have a much better way to share the Gospel then to preach it where people are known to be, what are some of the ways you use to share the Gospel with the lost? Do you hit the streets or sit and wait for sinners to come to your Church?Although my church doesn't do door-to-door canvassing as such, we have a huge variety of local and global outreach ministries which share the Gospel with nursing homes, hospices, senior care centers, crisis pregnancy centers, the homeless, teaching of skills to the economically disadvantaged so they don't have to rely on public assistance, Native American ministries on the reservation, victims of crime, prison fellowship programs, tutoring and mentoring programs for at-risk youth, Angel Tree Christmas program (for children of the incarcerated), ministries for persecuted Christian refugees who were forced to leave their countries for political and/or religious reasons. Teams have been regularly dispatched to countries such as the Sudan, Turkey, Mexico and Guatemala to assist victims of persecution and disasters such as war, earthquakes, etc. There is always something for everyone to do, ranging from participating at a swap meet fundraiser to taking a trip overseas.

[JM]

why do you seek answers from fundamentalist Christians only?
I seek fellowship with like minded Christians.

[praying]

I seek fellowship with like minded Christians.


Ohh I thought you sought ways of spreading the Gospel, I hadn't realized that was exclusive to fundamentalist Christians.

[JM]

Ohh I thought you sought ways of spreading the Gospel, I hadn't realized that was exclusive to fundamentalist Christians.
Each group of believers has a style to how they share the Gospel, that's all.

[praying]

Each group of believers has a style to how they share the Gospel, that's all.

But other Christians could have some good ideas to offer.

Unfortunatley I don't, I am to new in my real study of the Bible to feel confident enough to that.

[JM]

But other Christians could have some good ideas to offer.

Unfortunatley I don't, I am to new in my real study of the Bible to feel confident enough to that.
God will always give you the words to say, keep studying. God bless.

[Simon_Templar]

I think the great commision does apply to every christian to some degree. We are all of us called to be witnesses and ambassadors of the kingdom.

However, I think we need to take some lessons from paul. When he went to spread the gospel he did in ways that were accepted by the local culture and would get the best results, that is he used strategy. I must point out that this idea has been butchered by many modern christians into a view that we have to water down the gospel and spruce it up to make it more happy and more attractive. This is not what I mean at all, I personaly hate this view point. We want to save people, but we must recognize that its for God and his glory, not for the people. People all deserve hell, just as we did, and it is good to have compassion, but we work for the Glory of God and his kingdom, and he is never glorified by half truths and toothless gospels.

anyway, back to the point. I don't believe that door to door evangelism is a very good idea (in most cases) because its not acceptable in today's american culture. Most people hate it when people come to their door and bother them. In addition to that I think that the results you would get would not be very good because people aren't inclined to trust and develop relationships with some guy who shows up on your door step... the great commission is to "make disciples" this is something the evangelists of our day have failed miserably at. Making disciples is alot different and alot more involved than holding a rally getting people excited and emotional, and then moving on and hoping that a small percentage of them won't simply revert back to their former life. The word disciple is from latin for student, but it also conotates a higher level of "discipline" and devotion than the modern concept of a student. That is what our evangelism is supposed to produce, disciples. I think that your probably not going to make many disciples by going door to door. I think your likely to make more by being friends with your co-workers, and the sphere of people that you live with and work with, who know you and who you can develop real relationships with.

[rooster]

I think the great commision does apply to every christian to some degree. We are all of us called to be witnesses and ambassadors of the kingdom.

However, I think we need to take some lessons from paul. When he went to spread the gospel he did in ways that were accepted by the local culture and would get the best results, that is he used strategy. I must point out that this idea has been butchered by many modern christians into a view that we have to water down the gospel and spruce it up to make it more happy and more attractive. This is not what I mean at all, I personaly hate this view point. We want to save people, but we must recognize that its for God and his glory, not for the people. People all deserve hell, just as we did, and it is good to have compassion, but we work for the Glory of God and his kingdom, and he is never glorified by half truths and toothless gospels.

anyway, back to the point. I don't believe that door to door evangelism is a very good idea (in most cases) because its not acceptable in today's american culture. Most people hate it when people come to their door and bother them. In addition to that I think that the results you would get would not be very good because people aren't inclined to trust and develop relationships with some guy who shows up on your door step... the great commission is to "make disciples" this is something the evangelists of our day have failed miserably at. Making disciples is alot different and alot more involved than holding a rally getting people excited and emotional, and then moving on and hoping that a small percentage of them won't simply revert back to their former life. The word disciple is from latin for student, but it also conotates a higher level of "discipline" and devotion than the modern concept of a student. That is what our evangelism is supposed to produce, disciples. I think that your probably not going to make many disciples by going door to door. I think your likely to make more by being friends with your co-workers, and the sphere of people that you live with and work with, who know you and who you can develop real relationships with.

Amen amen