Days

[ElsanRandiMom]

Okay.. In the bible it appears (please correct me if I am wrong, because this is an assumption) that all days are numbered except the Sabbath. Thus we have days 1-6 and then the Sabbath.... right? (again, please educate me if it is different)

Before I go further I'd like to confirm the above before making a total donkey's butt out of myself (if it is wrong) for supposing the rest. :)

[Lulav]

yes, your are correct, and everything centers around the Shabbat. The ancient way of counting would be something like 4 days before Shabbat, 2 days before Shabbat, just like you see in John for example , Six days before Pasach.............

The weekly centers arond the Shabbat but if there is a Holy day that day is put in prominence when discussing that week before and after it.

[Lulav]

Here, this may help, scroll down to ;the Weeks; (http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Jewish_Time.asp)

[ElsanRandiMom]

yes, your are correct, and everything centers around the Shabbat. The ancient way of counting would be something like 4 days before Shabbat, 2 days before Shabbat, just like you see in John for example , Six days before Pasach.............

The weekly centers arond the Shabbat but if there is a Holy day that day is put in prominence when discussing that week before and after it.
I was thinking more 1=Sunday... etc. :)

thanks for the link.

[Lulav]

Here are the name (http://www.yashanet.com/library/hebrew-days-and-months.html)s if you want them

[Lulav]

Oh well, not sure what you want then.

[Lulav]

I was thinking more 1=Sunday... etc. :)

thanks for the link. Yes, the biblical 1st day of the week would be the same on your calendar as the first day of the week, which is called Sunday, just as Saturday, which is Shabbat, is the seventh. :wave:

[ElsanRandiMom]

Yes, the biblical 1st day of the week would be the same on your calendar as the first day of the week, which is called Sunday, just as Saturday, which is Shabbat, is the seventh. :wave:
so if they said Christ was raised on the 3rd day... couldn't that be Tuesday?? (I was just wondering)

[HadassahSukkot]

No, as the reckoning was from the time of the start of the feast, not the days of the week. We're talking days counting the Omer/and of Unleavened Bread here -- rather than days of the week. If we look at it logically, it would have been likely sometime on the weekly Sabbath when he arose -- right at the time of the feast of Firstfruits when the grain had been taken up to the Temple.

See this nifty PDF Chart. (http://biblicalholidays.com/passoverweek.pdf) and website. (http://biblicalholidays.com/Passover/messiah_in_passover.htm).. :)

[ElsanRandiMom]

No, as the reckoning was from the time of the start of the feast, not the days of the week. We're talking days counting the Omer/and of Unleavened Bread here -- rather than days of the week. If we look at it logically, it would have been likely sometime on the weekly Sabbath when he arose -- right at the time of the feast of Firstfruits when the grain had been taken up to the Temple.

See this nifty PDF Chart. (http://biblicalholidays.com/passoverweek.pdf) and website. (http://biblicalholidays.com/Passover/messiah_in_passover.htm).. :)
how do we know they were counting from Omer... or is that just a Jewish way? (again, ignorant here)

I looked. It does seem to make more sense to be the Sabbath anyway. Things in the bible are cyclical (that I've found) and always seem to come full circle and this just goes with that, rather than some odd day that's never been set apart before.

[HaReb]

Y'shua could not have died on 'Good' Friday because Yochanan tells us that it was a Feast Sabbath when he died - not an ordinary weekly Sabbath. Then you have to allow for the 3 days and 3 nights that he said he would be in the earth. So, given that he was raised some time after the normal weekly Shabbat (ie after sundown on the Saturday -"early on the first day, while it was still dark" as Scripture says), he must been put on the cross on Wednesday at the latest!

Passover here starts in a couple of hours and so I may not get back to this for a while!

[ElsanRandiMom]

you know... you'd think that Christians would pay more attention to the Jewish ideas and traditions to figure this stuff out... (I'm talking RCC, Protestant, etc... not ya'll)

[Lulav]

No, they have their understanding which is basically having to reconcile with their changing of the Sabbath.

Check out this chart, this is one that agrees with one I did years ago, after diligent study of all the gospels.

Read this a quick synopsis of those three days (http://www.messianic.com/articles/passover.htm)

Read this - correcting the Sunday Myth this is a longer more detailed of the above (http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm)

[ElsanRandiMom]

No, they have their understanding which is basically having to reconcile with their changing of the Sabbath.

Check out this chart, this is one that agrees with one I did years ago, after diligent study of all the gospels.

Read this a quick synopsis of those three days (http://www.messianic.com/articles/passover.htm)

Read this - correcting the Sunday Myth this is a longer more detailed of the above (http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm)
They say they didn't change the sabbath, but celebrate "the lord's day" which they consider Sunday... but without an undertsanding of the Jewish days and how they are counted, or the timing of feasts, I certainly don't understand how they justify Sunday. The things you guys have shown me seem much more reliable and conform to the text and biblical style anyway.

[Lulav]

Yes, they all say that , and some even go to the extent of saying that Yeshua changed the Sabbath by saying he was L-RD of the Sabbath and since ( they say) he arose on the 1st day, and that they call Sun day, then he is L-rd of that day. But that is not what he was saying, nor when he arose. the two are intertwined so they have to admit he arose on the Jewish Sabbath and they don't want to go there, that would abrogate all Christian tradition.

[Lulav]

Another thing that clouds the issue is that their Resurrection Sunday is fixed, whereas the Passover isn't. It moves around and that particular year is very special because it lined up with the 3 days so he could be crucified on Passover and be in the grave 3 days, and then rise on the third day which in that year was right before first fruits, which would be on the first day of the week following the Passover.

Now this year because Passover falls out on Friday/Saturday and unleavened Sat/sunday then we have to wait a whole week almost to celebrate first fruits, whereas in Yeshua's year, they would have been 14th Passover crucified, 15th in the grave , 16th in the grave, 17th in the grave till just before 17th was over then resurected, and first fruits was the 18th so you get your three days inbetween. This year though we have

Passover on the 14th, unleavened on the 15th and then first fruits is not until the 22nd ( these are all days on the Hebrew calendar) this would put 7 days inbetween Passover and first fruits, but in Yeshuas year it was the perfect three, as prophesied.

In other words First fruits this year will be April 27th