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Bourbaki
17th April 2008, 02:19 PM
Ellen White wrote:

“The work which the church has failed to do in a time of peace and prosperity she will have to do in a terrible crisis under most discouraging, forbidding circumstances. The warnings that worldly conformity has silenced or withheld must be given under the fiercest opposition from enemies of the faith. And at that time the superficial, conservative class, whose influence has steadily retarded the progress of the work, will renounce the faith and take their stand with its avowed enemies, toward whom their sympathies have long been tending. These apostates will then manifest the most bitter enmity, doing all in their power to oppress and malign their former brethren and to excite indignation against them. This day is just before us. The members of the church will individually be tested and proved. They will be placed in circumstances where they will be forced to bear witness for the truth. Many will be called to speak before councils and in courts of justice, perhaps separately and alone. The experience which would have helped them in this emergency they have neglected to obtain, and their souls are burdened with remorse for wasted opportunities and neglected privileges.” Testimonies For the Church, Vol. 5, 463.

What did Ellen White believe about the avowed enemies of the Seventh-day Adventist movement?

What is the difference between the avowed enemies of the Seventh-day Adventist movement and those Adventists that spend all their free time criticizing Ellen White and her prophetic ministry and writings, as if their striving to overthrow a principal founder of the Seventh-day Adventist church is a lucrative career path?

Your Neighbor
17th April 2008, 02:43 PM
...superficial...retarded ... apostates...criticizing Ellen White ... Use of ellipses can change meaning, can they not?

Your Neighbor
17th April 2008, 02:47 PM
What is the difference between the avowed enemies of the Seventh-day Adventist movement and those Adventists that spend all their free time criticizing Ellen White ...? Walking, quacking, looking like a duck. What do they say about that?

Bourbaki
18th April 2008, 09:55 AM
What did Ellen White believe about the avowed enemies of the Adventist movement?There are many official church statements that acknowledge the foundational relevance and ongoing importance of Ellen White’s prophetic ministry in the Seventh-day Adventist movement. Ellen White even claimed that recognizing her prophetic role is a part of the three angels’ messages. As for what Ellen White believed about the enemies of the Advent movement, I believe that the following Ellen White quote provides yet another detail that answers my question:

“There will be a hatred kindled against the testimonies which is satanic. The workings of Satan will be to unsettle the faith of the churches in them, for this reason: Satan cannot have so clear a track to bring in his deceptions and bind up souls in his delusions if the warnings and reproofs and counsels of the Spirit of God are heeded.” —Letter 40, 1890.
This prophecy prompts me to ask if the following statements are a fulfillment of prophecy:

FAF online, moderated by Dale Ratzlaff’s publishers, Colleen and Richard Tinker, continuously encourages statements that affirm the following:

1. The SDA Jesus is a Demon

http://64.226.233.122/discus/messages/11/5462.html?1177938150

2. The SDA church is a Satanic Cult (This statement can be found on multiple threads)

3. Ellen White was a Satan Worshipper and a Satanist, and demon possessed, and is currently burning in Hades

http://64.226.233.122/discus/messages/11/5806.html?1184877336

4. Doug Batchelor is demon possessed

The above statements have been made multiple times, and NEVER has the moderator or administrator of that discussion forum stepped in and moderated these statements. In fact, when some of us have challenged these statements, stern warning letters have been issued warning that those who protest this are being divisive, and if the challenges continue, then expulsion has been the promised result.
Quote taken from http://www.forthegospel.org/forum/viewthread/203/I ask again: What are the practical differences between the avowed enemies of the Seventh-day Adventist movement and those Adventists that spend all their free time criticizing Ellen White and her prophetic ministry and writings, as if their striving to overthrow a principal founder of the Seventh-day Adventist church is a lucrative career path?

Bourbaki
19th April 2008, 01:25 PM
What did Ellen White believe about the avowed enemies of the Adventist movement?Ellen White believed that the same kind of united confederacy of evil that came against Christ will also come against true Seventh-day Adventists.

Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians joined to oppose the Son of God. Their rejection of the truth influenced many to turn from the Saviour. Those who cherish enmity to the pure principles of heaven, are acting in concert with the "rulers of the darkness of this world." When Christ met with success in his ministry, those who hated truth and rejected light manifested their spirit of opposition, and sought to silence him. The same spirit is apparent today, wherever the truth is brought in contact with long-established error of doctrine and custom. With mad prejudice, men bitterly condemn that which disturbs their preconceived opinions. Review and Herald, February 7, 1888.

How did men treat Christ when He came? . . . "He came unto his own, and his own received him not" (John 1:11). Thus it is today. This history is being repeated, and will be repeated again and again before the Lord shall come in the clouds of heaven. TMK 54.

Christ shows that without the controlling power of the Spirit of God humanity is a terrible power for evil. Unbelief, hatred of reproof, will stir up satanic influences. Principalities and powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places will unite in a desperate companionship. They will be leagued against God in the person of His saints. By misrepresentation and falsehood they will demoralize both men and women who to all appearances believe the truth. False witnesses will not be wanting in this terrible work. [Luke 21:16-19 quoted]. (MS 40, 1897).