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reddogs
17th April 2008, 09:26 AM
I found this on one of the forums and the question is what has been at the heart of the matter, how do you prove God exists.....
Here is the statement and the question:
"....Evolution is a lie.
It’s not a valid scientific theory, it’s full of holes and requires faith to believe it. No rational person with any kind of scientific knowledge can accept evolution. “Why?” I hear you shout. Well, what about the moondust? Answer that one….
The evolution delusion.
It’s time to take our heads out of the sand and see evolution for what it is. A delusion.
I know what you’re all thinking.
“How, as an atheist can you say such things? Well, it’s what I believe. We can’t test evolution, we don’t have the time. Anyway, what use is half an eye? Do you think that by chance, the eye magically came into existence? And what about the monkeys? Why are we not seeing them evolve into humans? After all, that’s where we came from.
I’ve been convinced by an earlier discussion... As much as (he) attempted to prove a man (?) wrong, with scientific fact and evidence, I wasn’t convinced. I’ve been converted to see the truth.
In fact, anyone that maintains this squalid belief in evolution need not wait much longer for the lie to be exposed:
So, what next?
What we need to do is find an alternative. We need to find out how human beings came to be.
I was told by TruthSeeker (and by many others) that creation is the valid, scientific alternative.
The problem - (IMPORTANT)
I have a problem. Everytime I ask to see the scientific evidence in support of creationism, I get given facts about why evolution is false. And that’s the problem. I already know it is. I accept it.
“So what’s the evidence FOR creation?” I ask.....
Jimlarmore
17th April 2008, 04:33 PM
I found this on one of the forums and the question is what has been at the heart of the matter, how do you prove God exists.....
Here is the statement and the question:
"....Evolution is a lie.
It’s not a valid scientific theory, it’s full of holes and requires faith to believe it. No rational person with any kind of scientific knowledge can accept evolution. “Why?” I hear you shout. Well, what about the moondust? Answer that one….
The evolution delusion.
It’s time to take our heads out of the sand and see evolution for what it is. A delusion.
I know what you’re all thinking.
“How, as an atheist can you say such things? Well, it’s what I believe. We can’t test evolution, we don’t have the time. Anyway, what use is half an eye? Do you think that by chance, the eye magically came into existence? And what about the monkeys? Why are we not seeing them evolve into humans? After all, that’s where we came from.
I’ve been convinced by an earlier discussion... As much as (he) attempted to prove a man (?) wrong, with scientific fact and evidence, I wasn’t convinced. I’ve been converted to see the truth.
In fact, anyone that maintains this squalid belief in evolution need not wait much longer for the lie to be exposed:
So, what next?
What we need to do is find an alternative. We need to find out how human beings came to be.
I was told by TruthSeeker (and by many others) that creation is the valid, scientific alternative.
The problem - (IMPORTANT)
I have a problem. Everytime I ask to see the scientific evidence in support of creationism, I get given facts about why evolution is false. And that’s the problem. I already know it is. I accept it.
“So what’s the evidence FOR creation?” I ask.....
One of the best evidences for creation is intelligent design thru out all of nature but specifically the cell both plant and animal. The cell is life's bottom line. Life cannot exist in any less form than the cell. The cell is so enormously complex and contains so many irreducibly complex systems that it had to come about thru an intelligent designer not random fortuitous mechanisms. Especially not mutation and natural selection.
God bless
Jim Larmore
Bourbaki
17th April 2008, 05:52 PM
Also, quantum creation theory (http://everythingimportant.org/creationism) is truly unassailable. Unfortunately one needs to understand David Hilbert’s philosophy of physics, basic quantum physics, rudimentary cosmology and measure theory.
TrustAndObey
17th April 2008, 06:36 PM
My college Biology professor (incredibly a "fence sitter" on this topic) listed about 50 animals that would've gone extinct if it had taken more than one generation to evolve.
I'm in a hurry so this is gonna be quick...
For instance, the giraffe. They're born feet first because the drop from the mother's womb to the ground would break their necks.
How many generations had to die off (i.e. extinction) before they evolved into "feet first".
The support for creation is EVERYWHERE!
I believe He created this earth is 7 literal days and if that gets me some ridicule, so be it. I have childlike faith. I know He can do ANYTHING!!!
capnator
18th April 2008, 05:22 AM
I believe He created this earth is 7 literal days and if that gets me some ridicule, so be it. I have childlike faith. I know He can do ANYTHING!!!
lol If you want to look at the bible through the eyes of the Godless or unbelieving then creation is the least of your worries :P It is full of the "ridiculous"
midnightcry
18th April 2008, 12:48 PM
The evidence for creation is all around us. Just look at nature. Or better yet, hold a newborn baby in your arms, look at his eyes, his perfect little feet and hands and try to tell yourself, yeah - he evolved.
The evidence is all around us. We have a totally awesome God, even though we might not understand everything fully now, He has promised someday we will. A person just has to have an open mind, an open heart, and open eyes to see the truth.
Don't let Satan deceive you. Evolution is a bad joke.
Jimlarmore
18th April 2008, 03:16 PM
The evidence for creation is all around us. Just look at nature. Or better yet, hold a newborn baby in your arms, look at his eyes, his perfect little feet and hands and try to tell yourself, yeah - he evolved.
The evidence is all around us. We have a totally awesome God, even though we might not understand everything fully now, He has promised someday we will. A person just has to have an open mind, an open heart, and open eyes to see the truth.
Don't let Satan deceive you. Evolution is a bad joke.
And that is the problem. Today, there are very good folks who have been sold a bill of goods by the mainstream paradigm of macro-evolution. The educational system is slanted and biased very strongly towards evolution and away from God. They don't say it that way but it's the truth. The things they say all makes perfect sense when you examine it from the point of view they present , not allowing for alternative explanations of the evidence we have to look at.
This is what I call a world view based on culture and education. It's progressive and commulative. Once a person goes down that road so far it's hard to turn around and see the evidence with an unbiased eye again.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
DarylFawcett
19th July 2008, 04:35 PM
There is scientific evidence in cyberspace in favour of creation over evolution, one of them being http://www.halos.com
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