Fundamentalist moderation

[premilldispensationalist]

Considering that this forum is fundamentalist is it not best that only men should moderate?

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

[BarbB]

Good one, premill! I hadn't thought of that, but JAI is probably the most fundamentalist of all of us! And we love her and want her to mod! :wave:

[JM]

Considering that this forum is fundamentalist is it not best that only men should moderate?

Regards,
Richard Sherratt
Women are forbidden to teach but to mod a forum, not much teaching going on in here...I could be wrong and often am.

:hug:

[Ainesis]

Considering that this forum is fundamentalist is it not best that only men should moderate?

Regards,
Richard Sherratt
That is FUNNY! By the title I though you meant fundamentalist moderation in terms of fundamentalists who are not excessive! ^_^

No, I think it is fine to have female moderators. The moderator is not our pastor or elder.

[J.A.I]

/me scratches her head in amazement...

Newlamb - Thank you........ :hug:

[jameseb]

Indeed, she's our Fundie girlie girl. :)


Actually, if you don't mind me asking, what is the Scriptural basis for only males modding a Fundie forum on a Christian message board? Is there a new 2004 edition of the Bible that covers the internet? ;)

[white dove]

*thinks jai's doing an AWESOME job at moderating* ;)

heh...and we can VOTE now too, jai :D
:hug:

[Ashleigh]

Maybe there isn't biblical reference to modding a forum, but what about this...


1 Timothy 2:11-12 says women should not teach or have authority over men. J.A.I., I thought I saw you say elsewhere you want to be a pastor of a church. How do you justify this biblically. Move this to another forum if you wish, just wanted to bring it up, and it makes more sense to do it where the thought stems from!!!

[premilldispensationalist]

Women are forbidden to teach but to mod a forum, not much teaching going on in here...I could be wrong and often am.

:hug:

1 Timothy 2:12 "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Moderators possess authority over men which is forbidden by scripture.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

[premilldispensationalist]

The moderator is not our pastor or elder.

So women are not allowed to be pastors or elders? Why? Because they possess authority over men! But this is indeed what moderators do!

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

[alaurie]

Deborah? Judges 4-5

[premilldispensationalist]

Deborah? Judges 4-5

That was with respect to Israel and not the church. The church and Israel are separate and distinct!

Regards

[Ainesis]

1 Timothy 2:12 "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Moderators possess authority over men which is forbidden by scripture.

Regards,
Richard SherrattWell then, the solution is that all men need to leave the Fundamentalist Forum.

Whew! That was pretty simple. ;)

Authority
Authenteo

one who with his own hands kills another or himself
one who acts on his own authority, autocratic
an absolute master
to govern, exercise dominion over one
I hardly think that J.A.I. fits the above description. Does she have the power as Moderator to kill a poster? Is she acting in her own authority as Moderator? Does being a moderator make her your absolute master? Does she have soverieignty to make all policies and maintain supreme authority over what is discussed? I don't think so.

Simply because she is in a position of influence does not mean that she has authority over a man. She is subject to the same rules and guidelines that we all must follow. However, she is simply working with us to ensure that we remain mindful of them.


Lastly, if you are concerned about a woman being a moderator in a forum, I would hate to think of what your reaction would have been to Paul's statement below.

"I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also." Romans 16:1-2

Likeiwse, do you think you can assist J.A.I. in her service unto the Lord and receive her as a sister without feeling as if she is trying to have "authority" over you?

[premilldispensationalist]

Well then, the solution is that all men need to leave the Fundamentalist Forum.

Why should the men leave the Fundamentalist forum when it is not they who are breaking the command of Our LORD?

For the record here is the Cambridge definition of authority:

the moral or legal right or ability to control:
We need to get the support of someone in authority (= an important or high-ranking person).
I'll give my lawyers authority (= permission) to act on my behalf.
a group of people with official responsibility for a particular area of activity:

[Ainesis]

Why should the men leave the Fundamentalist forum when it is not they who are breaking the command of Our LORD?
Well, for one, that was a joke, albeit maybe not that funny. But a joke nonetheless. (did you note the smily face?)

Second, I don't see anyone breaking the command of our Lord as I outlined in my post. So, unless that can be proven, I would say that there is no legitimate basis to your concerns.

[premilldispensationalist]

I don't see anyone breaking the command of our Lord as I outlined in my post. So, unless that can be proven, I would say that there is no legitimate basis to your concerns.

The CF FAQ states "Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability [read authority] to edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other manipulations." i.e. they possess authority over the members. The Bible states that women are not allowed to possess authority over men and so they should not be allowed to possess moderation authority.

[Ainesis]

The CF FAQ states "Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability [read authority] to edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other manipulations." i.e. they possess authority over the members. The Bible states that women are not allowed to possess authority over men and so they should not be allowed to possess moderation authority.
Yes, apparently YOU read authority. That is not however what the text says. That is what you want to imply (for some reason).

Ability: The quality of being able to do something, especially the physical, mental, financial, or legal power to accomplish something.

Authority: The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge

Yes, editing posts, deleting posts, move threads...Do you know what we would call that in the corporate world? Data maintenance. Really glamorous! Know how I know? I do it for a living.

So I pose again. What would your response have been should he have given you the following instructions?

"I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also." Romans 16:1-2

Would you allow yourself to be served by her or would that take away too much from you as a man?

[premilldispensationalist]

Yes, apparently YOU read authority.

Let us first agree on a definition of authority!

My definition is:
The power/ability to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.
Someone that is invested with this power/ability.
Power assigned to another; authorization.

Are we in agreement?

[Ainesis]

Let us first agree on a definition of authority!

My definition is:
The power/ability to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.
Someone that is invested with this power/ability.
Power assigned to another; authorization.

Are we in agreement?
I would ask if the definition could be less broad. We are all given the authority to determine, to judge, to exact obedience... This may differ however based on who this authority is exercised over (ourselves, others, children...).

Also, what I was getting at in my earlier posting is that "authority" as used in that text does not mean any authority or leadership, but in a specific way; namely the way that were defined. J.A.I. is not given authority at the level in which the Scripture speaks in that verse.

However, if I agree to this definition of authority as you present it, do you also agree that elements of this authority was imparted to Phoebe in Romans 16 in terms of her relation to the brethren there? If not, then what do you see as the difference?

[muffler dragon]

Just to ask: when you were growing up, Premill, did you listen to your mother when she told you to do something? If you happen to be placed in a court of law where there is a woman judge, would you stand up and say that she has no authority over you? If a modern-day prophetess were to walk up and give you a Word of G-d, would you exercise enough descretion to heed that word?

There are examples of such in the Old and New Testaments.

Authority is given by G-d to whom He sees fit, regardless of gender.

m.d.

[J.A.I]

If you have a problem with me, or any other female on CF's staff, being a moderator, talk to those whom are over us. Everyone in this world who is in a position of authority is there b/c God allowed them to be, whether you want them to be or not. If you have a problem with my position, you don't have to post here. It is as simple as that.

Want to really know what is truly Biblical ? The Word says that if you have a problem w/your brethren, take it to them personally, which you did not do.

Yes, if God leads me there, I do want to be a pastor or minister. If God leads me there, no doubt that is what He wants me to do. In the Bible, there are MANY times when God calls WOMEN to do things that men do as well.

If you have a problem with a woman being a moderator of an online forum, then that's not my fault.

Pray about it. A thread like this indeed disrupts the harmony of CF. It has no point but to question the qualifications and authority of a moderator. It does not edify, so what is your hope w.this thread ?

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

premil, first off please note what Paul says there, take a close look. He says "I do not permit" he is very specific that it is HIS opinion. He does not lay it out as a command from the Lord. JAI is a mod in this forum, and as far as I am concerned, here to stay.

[muffler dragon]

premil, first off please note what Paul says there, take a close look. He says "I do not permit" he is very specific that it is HIS opinion. He does not lay it out as a command from the Lord. JAI is a mod in this forum, and as far as I am concerned, here to stay.
Thanks for pointing that out, flesh. I hadn't looked that deeply at the Scripture.

m.d.

[Paula]

1 Timothy 2:12 "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Moderators possess authority over men which is forbidden by scripture.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt
Premil-

I too wave my umbrella in protest! J.A.I. is very much in keeping with the Scriptures and following the instruction of Philippians 4:5-

"Let your moderation be known unto all men." ;)

But seriously, I'm sure you must know the story of Esther, a righteous woman who became the beloved Queen of Israel. She was selected by King Ahasuerus to be his wife and reign with him over the land. Having been bestowed with such authority, Esther went on to become the savior of the Jews through her love and selfless devotion.

Take a look at Esther 9:29:

Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.

There is virtually no doubt that Esther was directly chosen by God to avert the destruction of the Jews, from whom came the ancestors of Jesus.. To commemorate that deliverance, the Jews began the festival of Purim (Esther 9:18-32), which is still observed to this day.

Also see:

Acts 18:24-26, which describes how Priscilla, a woman, and Aquila, her husband, both acted in the role of an official pastor to a man from Alexandria, called Apollos.

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Acts 9:36

Paul refers to a woman by named Dorcas, who was also known as Tabitha, as a disciple:

36 Now there was at Joppa a certain disciple named Tabitha, which by interpretation is called Dorcas: this woman was full of good works and almsdeeds which she did.

Romans 16:1-3

This chapter starts with Paul's letter of recommendation in which introduces Phoebe to some people at the church of Corinth. Paul also refers to Dorcas as a fellow worker in Christ.


1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

Romans 16:7

Paul refers to a male apostle, Andronicus and a female apostle, Junia, as "outstanding among the apostles":

7Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.


Philippians 4:2

Euodias and Syntyche were two female co-workers of Paul, active evangelists who helped him spread the Gospel:

1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.
2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.

Galatians 3:28

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In summary, I believe each and every one of us are all here on this earth as bondservants of our Lord in some capacity with our own unique calling.

[ksen]

That was with respect to Israel and not the church. The church and Israel are separate and distinct!

Regards
CF is not a/the Church either.

Should women not allowed to be supervisors in a secular business? (psst, look up Lydia)

This is not a church situation so I see no problem with a female being a moderator here.

[ksen]

premil, first off please note what Paul says there, take a close look. He says "I do not permit" he is very specific that it is HIS opinion. He does not lay it out as a command from the Lord. JAI is a mod in this forum, and as far as I am concerned, here to stay.
It's still in the Bible, therefore it is still God's Word.

[Svt4Him]

That was with respect to Israel and not the church. The church and Israel are separate and distinct!

RegardsThis is not the church is it?

premil, first off please note what Paul says there, take a close look. He says "I do not permit" he is very specific that it is HIS opinion. He does not lay it out as a command from the Lord. JAI is a mod in this forum, and as far as I am concerned, here to stay.
Sorry, I have to point out that when Paul used that language, he was still speaking from the Lord. If he was just giving his opinion, why have it in the Bible?

[Paula]

That was with respect to Israel and not the church. The church and Israel are separate and distinct!

Regards
This is where we differ. According to Romans 11, the Apostle Paul uses the olive tree metaphor to describe how Jews and gentiles fit in to the church which is the body of Christ. Israel is part of the church - they are one and the same. The Jews are the natural branches of the olive tree, and we gentiles are the ingrafts (wild olive shoots). So we are not really separate and distinct, although we may bear different fruit.

[Blessed75]

So you go with the teachings of Paul instead of Jesus? Hmmmm, okay.......well, if you don't believe a female should be a mod over this forum then you don't have to go to this forum. Am I right or am I right?

Also, haven't you ever heard,"A great host are the women who publish the good news."

I would also like to remind you that when this verse was written, Paul was writing to deal with the specific problems that Timothy was dealing with within the church in Ephesus. The letter is not intended as a manual of church order to be normative for all times and places. Rather, it is a set of specific instructions for a specific situation where false teaching was destroying the church. It's nice to be educated on the scriptures before you go using them to hurt your fellow sisters in Christ. I for one took great offense to your post. It's 2004 - where women can do anything a man can do if not more. ;)


1 Timothy 2:12 "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Moderators possess authority over men which is forbidden by scripture.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

[BarbB]

Sadly, I thought this thread OP was in jest! :cry:

[Svt4Him]

So you go with the teachings of Paul instead of Jesus? Hmmmm, okay.......well, if you don't believe a female should be a mod over this forum then you don't have to go to this forum. Am I right or am I right?

Also, haven't you ever heard,"A great host are the women who publish the good news."

I would also like to remind you that when this verse was written, Paul was writing to deal with the specific problems that Timothy was dealing with within the church in Ephesus. The letter is not intended as a manual of church order to be normative for all times and places. Rather, it is a set of specific instructions for a specific situation where false teaching was destroying the church. It's nice to be educated on the scriptures before you go using them to hurt your fellow sisters in Christ. I for one took great offense to your post. It's 2004 - where women can do anything a man can do if not more. ;)
This is dangerous thinking. So let's just ignore that part of the Bible. Then we can ignore just about anything that we disagree with.

So instread of dissing someone because we disagree, perhaps show some documents to back a position taken.

[J.A.I]

Thread locked for now.

[didaskalos]

Good one, premill! I hadn't thought of that, but JAI is probably the most fundamentalist of all of us! And we love her and want her to mod! :wave:
Ya..... that J.A.I is a Bible thumping Jesus freak from way back.
Mod on girl!

[J.A.I]

:blush: Didy :blush: