Separatism!

[premilldispensationalist]

Are you primary separatists? and/or are you secondary separatists?

I am both!

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

[Wilfred of Ivanhoe]

sorry for such a dumb question, but what do you mean by seperatists?

[premilldispensationalist]

sorry for such a dumb question, but what do you mean by seperatists?

Primary separatists: those who separate from a wicked society. e.g. I do not vote and will not hold political office.
Secondary separatists: those who separate from apostasy and false teachers. I WILL NOT SHARE THE SAME PLATFORM AS A CATHOLIC!!

[twistedsketch]

As in a political platform? If a Catholic and I share the same political views, I would vote/run for office with him if that's what you mean.

I would separate myself from Christians who would separate myself from me. For example, if one stubbornly insists that I am going to hell for reading an NIV Bible or listening to Christian metal or for voting Republican, I have no problems separating myself from them. But they would have separated themselves from me first. Seperatism should not happen within the church.

On the other hand, the more people that break away from the Episcopalian Church over the gay bishop issue, the better. When church leaders become apostate, you need to leave and show that the Bible still counts.

[premilldispensationalist]

As in a political platform? If a Catholic and I share the same political views, I would vote/run for office with him if that's what you mean.

I would separate myself from Christians who would separate myself from me. For example, if one stubbornly insists that I am going to hell for reading an NIV Bible or listening to Christian metal or for voting Republican, I have no problems separating myself from them.

Separatism comes from 2 Corinthians 6:14,17 where it says
2 Corinthians 6
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

regards,
Richard

[twistedsketch]

Not marrying or becoming business partners with unbelievers. There ARE Catholic believers.

[Wilfred of Ivanhoe]

hmm...

I don't watch TV. I am very much considering not voting this year. I don't watch too many movies that have come out in the past 10-20 years. I try to avoid getting out in society and I attend a small church of like-minded believers. I guess you could say I am pretty much a seperatist in that manner.

However, when in the course of my daily affairs, I am friendly to heretics, unbelievers and the like. I have a good friend/fencing buddy who in spite of his lifestyle, I'll never give up on. Now when a Christian dogmatically argues points of doctrine without any backing, I do tend to seperate myself from them.

[Ainesis]

Primary separatists: those who separate from a wicked society. e.g. I do not vote and will not hold political office.
Secondary separatists: those who separate from apostasy and false teachers. e.g. I will not share the same platform as a Catholic.Oh, well in that case I am probably the latter, secondary separatist. My main concern would be separating from false teachers/doctrine.

[Marissa]

I'm not a separatists in regards to society at all. We're not supposed to be of the world, but if we're not in it how can we spread the gospel? I live as christian life as I can but I will not cut off someone simply because they don't. If they're a false teacher, then the bible tells us we have to separate ourselves from them, for the sake of everyone else.


In terms of church and a partner, then I need to be with someone with similiar views to me.

[J.A.I]

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[Ashleigh]

Separatism comes from 2 Corinthians 6:14,17 where it says
2 Corinthians 6
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

regards,
RichardIf this is all you are going by, then you can have far reaching definitions if you so choose. Being yoked could mean through marriage,business....even friendship. Would you restrict your friendship via this scripture? I don't restrict it at all, especially if it means I may lead another to Christ.

[premilldispensationalist]

I'm not a separatists in regards to society at all. We're not supposed to be of the world, but if we're not in it how can we spread the gospel?

We are in the world but no of it! We are separated from the world but we do not isolate ourselves from it. We preach the gospel but we do not go to the pub.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

[Kelly]

We are in the world but no of it! We are separated from the world but we do not isolate ourselves from it. We preach the gospel but we do not go to the pub.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt
You don't have to get drunk in the pub. Perhaps you could reach someone who's in there, you know? If we live our lives in the 'Holy Huddle' how will we ever really reach outsiders?

[Ainesis]

You don't have to get drunk in the pub. Perhaps you could reach someone who's in there, you know? If we live our lives in the 'Holy Huddle' how will we ever really reach outsiders?
"Holy Huddle"! That is kind of funny! ^_^

[twistedsketch]

We are in the world but no of it! We are separated from the world but we do not isolate ourselves from it. We preach the gospel but we do not go to the pub.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt

You need to listen to "First Baptist Bar & Grill" by Tim Wilson. It's a funny song, but about 90% of it is what we should be doing.

[TheScottsMen]

I'm neither. I love my catholic, methodist, lutheran and all other brothers and sisters in Christ. Just because I do not agree with their doctrine, they still believe in a crucifed rose on the 3rd day in the flesh and atoned for our sins Jesus Christ, the same Father God, and the same blessed Holy Spirit. If you wish to divide yourself from brothers and sisters because you do not agree %100 with their doctrine, go ahead;) The essentials are in place.

[TheScottsMen]

We preach the gospel but we do not go to the pub.

Regards,
Richard Sherratt
Wow, I disagree %100 on this and I'm sure our brothers and sisters in Christ who have brought pubbers to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ would disagree with you also. Like the gentleman said before, you don't need to get drunk if you goto to a pub, heck, you don't even have to drink. Just because you put on your shoes, does that mean you have to go walking? Of course not. Are we suppose to take part in carnal activites and compromise the Gospel of Jesus Christ by taking part in these things, again, of course not. Can we attend these events and have the Lord use it to us spread the Gospel? You bet.

[premilldispensationalist]

Wow, I disagree %100 on this...

That is why I am a separatistic fundamentalist and you are not ;)

[LynneClomina]

isnt it likely that if it is God's timing for a person to get saved, we will come into contact with them in a more benign atmostphere? i really think that God brings them to us, and we dont have to go "hunting" for them in "risky" or "dark" environments (generally). but if a person feels called to do so, and some definately do, then by all means we are to follow the leading of God.

i think we are to separate with sinful situations and unrepentant sinners in the sense that we do not hang out with them and do as they do; but we definately should not shun them on the street like the people did before the good samaritan showed up. :sigh:

[LynneClomina]

Primary separatists: those who separate from a wicked society. e.g. I do not vote and will not hold political office. i do vote if there is an appropriate party to vote for; but i wont vote for the "lesser of two evils"... i think i could hold political office if it were for a party that stood for what i stand for (like perhaps the Christian Heritage Party) and had a ton of prayer that i would affect those i come in contact with, but i likely wouldnt want to. ;)

Secondary separatists: those who separate from apostasy and false teachers. e.g. I will not share the same platform as a Catholic.
i separate from condoning their doctrines and teachings, similar to your example here, i guess, but from them, i dont really know; it would depend on the situation and the specific teachings, i guess. but we ARE to be IN the world, just not OF it, not made of the same stuff, living the same way.

[Ainesis]

isnt it likely that if it is God's timing for a person to get saved, we will come into contact with them in a more benign atmostphere? i really think that God brings them to us, and we dont have to go "hunting" for them in "risky" or "dark" environments (generally). but if a person feels called to do so, and some definately do, then by all means we are to follow the leading of God.

i think we are to separate with sinful situations and unrepentant sinners in the sense that we do not hang out with them and do as they do; but we definately should not shun them on the street like the people did before the good samaritan showed up. :sigh:
Excellent insights! :clap:

[mhess13]

isnt it likely that if it is God's timing for a person to get saved, we will come into contact with them in a more benign atmostphere? i really think that God brings them to us, and we dont have to go "hunting" for them in "risky" or "dark" environments (generally). but if a person feels called to do so, and some definately do, then by all means we are to follow the leading of God.

i think we are to separate with sinful situations and unrepentant sinners in the sense that we do not hang out with them and do as they do; but we definately should not shun them on the street like the people did before the good samaritan showed up. :sigh:
great post