A New Creature

[Steve Petersen]

This is said of Abraham in the Midrash Rabbah:

AND I WILL MAKE OF THEE A GREAT NATION (XII, 2). Said he to Him: `Yet hast Thou not caused the seventy nations to spring from Noah?'3 He replied: `That nation of which it is written, For what great nation is there, that hath God so nigh unto them (Deut. IV, 7), them will I raise up from thee. ' R. Berekiah said: It is not written, ' And I will give thee,' or `And I will set thee,'4 but, AND I WlLL MAKE THEE: i.e. after I have created thee as a new creation thou wilt be fruitful and multiply.

Genesis Rabbah 39:11


Paul taps into this idea:

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

[Lulav]

Is there a more 'modern' translation of that? That old English is hard to understand, even it you are used to the King Jimmys'. ;)

[visionary]

Galatians 6:15 For neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is being a new creation. CJB

[Lulav]

:) I meant the Midrash

[HaReb]

AND I WILL MAKE OF YOU A GREAT NATION (XII)

2). And he said to Him : `Yet You have not caused the seventy nations to spring from Noah?'

3) He replied: "That nation of which it is written, 'For what great nation is there, that has God so close to them (Deut. IV, 7), them I will raise up from you'."

R. Berekiah said: "It is not written, 'and I will give you,' or 'and I will set you,'"

4) but, 'AND I WlLL MAKE YOU': i.e. after I have created you as a new creation you will be fruitful and multiply.

[Lulav]

Todah Reb!

So this is what I am thinking, would this be after his name change? This is the new creation, and then he had the child of promise and not of the flesh? Good argument to go to muslims with , I was reading some stuff by them in their forum here, and they think that Deut 18:15 is about Muhammud.:eek:

forgive me if I am completly off base, I recently had a nasty reaction to MSG and gluten and my brain isn't fully functioning. I had to read this over and over and even what Reb posted, took awhile to click and I'm not even sure it did , so you will have to let me know. .......

[HaReb]

Hopefully SP will answer you, Lulav - I just translated it!

[Lulav]

You're up late, been trying to get on? I think they are working on it again, I got knocked off in the middle of putting a post through, good thing I saved it.

[HaReb]

Yes, it's just about midnight here. I tried to get on earlier but the page wouldn't load. Still lots of problems posting and the front page for this part of the forum keeps changing colour between blue and green! Sometimes all the colours are there, other times it's largely devoid of any really colour!

[Lulav]

That's been happening on my end too, Hopefully they are done for now.

Have a good night!

[HaReb]

Oh joy, another day and the site seems ok thus far!

Wish I could say the same - it's not really a 'good morning G_d' start to the day, more a 'good G_d! it's morning' type of start!