Why I don't have an egg on my Seder plate

[Lulav]

There are many reasons but here is one to start.

Disclaimer to anyone offended, this is my personal opinion and not a ' Christian bashing'.

Christian practice

The egg is widely used as a symbol of the start of new life, just as new life emerges from an egg when the chick hatches out. The egg is seen as symbolic of the grave and life renewed or resurrected by breaking out of it. The red supposedly symbolizes the blood of Christ redeeming the world and human redemption through the blood shed in the sacrifice of the crucifixion. The egg itself is a symbol of resurrection: while being dormant it contains a new life sealed within it.
The Easter egg tradition may also have celebrated the end of the privations of Lent in the West, though this is speculation. Eggs were forbidden during Lent as well as on other traditional fast days. Since chickens would not stop producing eggs during this time, a larger than usual store might be available at the end of the fast if the eggs had not been allowed to hatch. The surplus, if any, had to be eaten quickly to prevent spoiling.
Likewise, in Eastern Christianity, both meat and dairy are prohibited during the Lenten fast, and eggs are seen as "dairy" (a foodstuff that could be taken from an animal without shedding its blood). It was also traditional to use up all of the household's eggs before Lent began, which established the tradition of Pancake Day being celebrated on Shrove Tuesday. This day, the Tuesday before Ash Wednesday begins Lent, is also known as Mardi Gras, a French phrase which translates as "Fat Tuesday" to mark the last consumption of eggs and dairy before Lent begins.
A Christian Orthodox tradition is the presenting of red colored eggs to friends while giving Easter greetings. Based on a History Channel documentary about Mary Magdalene and her role in Christianity, the custom derives from a Christian myth not recorded in the Bible. After the Ascension of Jesus, Mary supposedly went to the Emperor of Rome and greeted him with “Christ is risen,” whereupon he pointed to an egg on his table and stated, “Christ has not risen no more than that egg is red.” After making this statement it is said the egg immediately turned blood red. She then began preaching Christianity to him.

[Torah613]

interesting, and not entirely factual. In the eastern church lent begins on a sunday evening and the eggs are eaten during cheesefare week, the week prior to "Great Lent."

Yochanan
Former Eastern Orthodox Christian

[christianmomof3]

Interesting, but most Jews have never heard that and all Jews most likely do have an egg on their seder plate. They don't care what the Christians do with their eggs anyway.

[ChavaK]

Interesting, but I don't see what in the world it has to do with a
seder or a seder plate.
What Christians do with eggs, what eggs symbolize for them,
has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism or with Pesach.
Unless I am missing something? :scratch:

My husband however would be most pleased to not see eggs
on the table...he hates them with such a passion he can't
even stand to look at them or smell them....:D

[Torah613]

Interesting, but most Jews have never heard that and all Jews most likely do have an egg on their seder plate. They don't care what the Christians do with their eggs anyway.
I for one Jew will not have an egg on my seder plate. Just part of being a good Vegan. Truth be told I couldn't ever stand the taste undeveloped poultry fetuses. Mostly from childhood examples of finding, erm spots of red, on certain yolks in our farmfresh eggs. Yuk!

Yochanan

[ChavaK]

Interesting, but most Jews have never heard that and all Jews most likely do have an egg on their seder plate. They don't care what the Christians do with their eggs

You are egg-axcly right! What Christians think eggs mean is
pretty irrelevant to Jews.

[Wags]

I for one Jew will not have an egg on my seder plate. Just part of being a good Vegan. Truth be told I couldn't ever stand the taste undeveloped poultry fetuses. Mostly from childhood examples of finding, erm spots of red, on certain yolks in our farmfresh eggs. Yuk!

Yochanan

Unfertilized eggs are NOT "undeveloped poultry fetuses". Spots of blood in an egg doesn't necessarily mean that the egg was fertilized, it can also be caused by internal problems, like damage to the oviduct in the hen.

A chicken will lay an egg about every 25 hours without or without a rooster around.

[ChavaK]

Unfertilized eggs are NOT "undeveloped poultry fetuses". Spots of blood in an egg doesn't necessarily mean that the egg was fertilized, it can also be caused by internal problems, like damage to the oviduct in the hen.

A chicken will lay an egg about every 25 hours without or without a rooster around.

Some people are disgusted about eating "liquid chicken" whether
the eggs are fertile or not.....:)

[ContraMundum]

interesting, and not entirely factual. In the eastern church lent begins on a sunday evening and the eggs are eaten during cheesefare week, the week prior to "Great Lent."

I agree. Especially with the highlighted part.

Interesting, but most Jews have never heard that and all Jews most likely do have an egg on their seder plate. They don't care what the Christians do with their eggs anyway.

True too.

Interesting, but I don't see what in the world it has to do with a
seder or a seder plate.
What Christians do with eggs, what eggs symbolize for them,
has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism or with Pesach.


I agree. This is also true. :)

My husband however would be most pleased to not see eggs
on the table...he hates them with such a passion he can't
even stand to look at them or smell them....:D

I, conversely, love the egg, but rarely eat them for their high cholesterol.

Unfertilized eggs are NOT "undeveloped poultry fetuses". Spots of blood in an egg doesn't necessarily mean that the egg was fertilized, it can also be caused by internal problems, like damage to the oviduct in the hen.

A chicken will lay an egg about every 25 hours without or without a rooster around.

100% correct.

Good thread people. :thumbsup:

[Lulav]

interesting, and not entirely factual. In the eastern church lent begins on a sunday evening and the eggs are eaten during cheesefare week, the week prior to "Great Lent."

Yochanan
Former Eastern Orthodox ChristianThat really wasn't pertinent to my reasoning, I just quoted the whole thing, if you think this is wrong, go correct it, its a wiki, are you a wiki editor?

Interesting, but most Jews have never heard that and all Jews most likely do have an egg on their seder plate. They don't care what the Christians do with their eggs anyway.Not this Jew. I study to show myself approved. :)

Interesting, but I don't see what in the world it has to do with a
seder or a seder plate.
What Christians do with eggs, what eggs symbolize for them,
has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism or with Pesach.
Unless I am missing something? :scratch:

My husband however would be most pleased to not see eggs
on the table...he hates them with such a passion he can't
even stand to look at them or smell them....:D ChavaK, I understand that from the point you made in another thread where you don't see the connection between the Christians and Messianic celebration of first fruits ( they call it Easter) and Passover, but hopefully you will. Passover to us has an 'extended' meaning and an egg on the plate is something most Messianics will avoid . We don't mourn the Temple as much as we know where the true Temple of G-d is.

[Lulav]

Here is an interesting 'take' on the seder
There is the Matzoh, or unleavened bread, which is what the Lord ate at the Last supper.

There is a Lambs shankbone put upon the plate, of course, we know "He was the ultimate sacrificial lamb, and represented by the shankbone".

There is Parsley put upon the plate which also has "salt water on it" to dip the parsely into "To remember the tears shed in Egypt".

There is Maror, a bitter green herb, for One rememberance of the "bitterness of Egpytian bondage".

There is also Horseradish on the plate, another symbol of the "bitterness the hebrews indured under Pharohs rule.

There is also, a "Roasted egg", which of course symbolises two things...The Triune Spirit of God, and our own three fold lives. The outer shell of the egg which is roasted, just like when we go through "a fiery trial", and then under that is our "mind or soul" the white of the egg, and then we have the Yellow yolk that symbolises our Golden Spirits which belong to Him within the heart of the egg, protected by HIM!

[johnd]

Wine at seder.

Grape juice argument strong at this point.

No leaven... is not yeast used to ferment wine leaven?

[Lulav]

What exactly is the egg doing on the Seder plate? The roasted orb has
been a guest of honor for generations, and hardly a word has been spoken
in its direction. The matzah, the shank bone, the bitter herbs - they
generate the buzz year after year. But do you have any idea what you
would say about the egg?

Sometimes you can find out more about life by looking in obscure and
ignored places. So here are some of the things we've heard about the
neglected egg:

"The egg is a symbol of life."

"The egg is like the Jews - the more time they spend in oppressive heat,
the tougher they get."

"The egg is symbolic of the Temple sacrifice."

"The egg reminds us that God has no beginning and no end."

"The egg is the food of mourning."

"The egg is a symbol of springtime and rebirth."

Where do these explanations come from? It may come as a shock that none
of these explanations of the egg appears in either the Bible or the
Talmud.
So What exactly is the egg doing on the Seder plate? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bnaiemet.org%2Fmessages%2Fcommitment%2Fcom2004%2Fc_2004_04a.htm&ei=IlAESM_rPJDueeDSkSM&usg=AFQjCNFIwTYDtSA0p2PYVhTD8JEqL7Lx9A&sig2=efNHSQPU_wO9S3-otcC62Q)

[Lulav]

I for one Jew will not have an egg on my seder plate. Just part of being a good Vegan. Truth be told I couldn't ever stand the taste undeveloped poultry fetuses. Mostly from childhood examples of finding, erm spots of red, on certain yolks in our farmfresh eggs. Yuk!

YochananI've heard that Vegetarians often use an avocado seed as a substitute for the egg on the Seder plate. :)

[HaReb]

Of course - some people are just allergic to eggs!








btw I have often wondered, looking at scotch eggs, how the chicken gets the meat round the outside, instead of the normal shell :scratch:

[HadassahSukkot]

Wine at seder.

Grape juice argument strong at this point.

No leaven... is not yeast used to ferment wine leaven?

Kosher Grape Juice ferments on it's own without yeast.

I've been involved with some winemaking with muscodines back home in AL, and all you do for a reaction after peeling and boiling them is add sugar to the pot, then strain when done boiling, allow to cool and put in jars with cheesecloth over for an extended period of time. Once in a while you'll go stir it but that's about it.

Another person I know from my shul that was in wine-making (home made) was doing it with the grapes that grew in his parent's yard.... same basic rules applied.

One can however make wine without adding sugar... but the rules are a little different when you do so. It has to stay in jars or vats that are completely airtight! A little harder to do, as you can end up with vinegar unintentionally.

Read on:

To this day, Kosher wine production remains one of the most sensitive, tedious, and difficult processes to oversee.

What is wine? How is wine made? What steps must be taken to insure the wine's Kashrus throughout production?

Wine is defined as the "fermented juice of grapes." However, the Bracha that we recite "Borei Pri HaGafen," the fruit of the vine, can be recited on non-fermented grape beverages too. Grape-wine beverages can be divided into Alcoholic Wine, Raisin Wine, and Grape Juice.

Alcoholic Wine production takes place at the time of the grape harvest once or twice a year. The grape harvest usually coincides with the Yomim Noraim season. Grapes are carefully picked and transferred to the winery where the grapes are crushed or pressed. The crush or pressing can be done mechanically or manually. From the moment that the grapes are brought to the winery, the Mashgichim have to be on constant alert to prevent an inadvertent irreparable Hamshacha, thus disqualifying the total winemaking process. Hamshacah is defined in Avodah Zarah, as the separation of the juice of the grape from the grape skin. In production terms, any movement of the grape juice along the production line, initiated by the non-Jew, qualifies for Hamshacha. If this Hamshacha is done by a non-Jew anywhere along the line, whenever the juice is pressed, sampled, conveyed into the plant, or pumped by hose, the production is disqualified. An observant Jew must initiate, activate, or operate every essential step of the crush, including the fermentation, standardization, and sample taking for quality control. For this reason, the winery must be manned by a sizable crew of qualified Mashgichim throughout the duration of the crush and a smaller crew during standardization operations.

The first step of production common to all types of wine production, is the crush--where the grapes are literally crushed and destemmed. From this point on, depending upon the wine color, type, or region where the wine is produced, production is customized to achieve the desired taste, fragrance, and aroma of each wine variety.

The destemmed grapes are broken down into three grape components:
1. the must (juice)
2. pulp
3. skin.
These components are then conveyed into fermentation vats. Fermentation is the natural process that converts the grape juice into wine. For naturally fermented wine no additional ingredients are added, as there are natural enzymes contained in the grape skins that effect the change. Natural yeast contained in the grape converts the sugar in the grape juice into alcohol and carbon dioxide gas. As the gas escapes, the juice bubbles violently (ferments). For red wine, the skins are left in the fermentation vats longer to absorb the purple color; for white wine, the must ferments without the grape skins. Total fermentation results in a dry wine, while partial fermentation gives a sweet variety. If the vat is not air-tight, the must will turn to vinegar....
Star K Kosher Certification (http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-thirst-wine.htm)

What "ferments" Isn't actually yeast but the natural sugars in the grapes or fruit you're making wine with itself.

and much clearer than I can explain it...

Question:
Why is it permitted to drink wine on Passover when it is fermented with yeast? Isn't yeast forbidden on Passover?
Answer:
Of the hundreds of species of yeast, the Passover prohibition only applies to yeast which is a product of one of the following five grains: wheat, barley, oat, spelt, or rye. Yeast which is the product of grapes, or its sugars, is not considered chametz (leavened food).
Click here (http://www.chabad.org/article.asp?AID=1601) for more about chametz.
Have a Kosher and happy Passover!
Rabbi Dovid Zaklikowski
Chabad.org

From here (http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/508672/jewish/Why-is-it-permitted-to-drink-wine-on-Passover-when-it-is-fermented-with-yeast.htm)

[Kris10leigh]

Wine at seder.

Grape juice argument strong at this point.

No leaven... is not yeast used to ferment wine leaven?



Sorry, I need more words. ^_^ I don't understand. Are you saying we should not substitute grape juice for wine?

I will be substituting. I can't stand wine, it makes my muscles hurt and turns my face bright red instantly and makes my skin burn. Allergy? I don't know, but it's not a pleasant feeling. Plus, I don't want my children to have wine.

As for the egg, I figure all that symbolism is man's doing, and we don't care what man has done, right? We know what the egg means to us and that is what's important, right? To me, and egg is an egg. One religion has made the cow their idol, but I still eat hamburgers.

[HadassahSukkot]

Kris, sounds like you have issues with Sulfites.

If you do, be careful also with dried fruits that list that they have sulfites added, and with those that are organic and naturally dried, make sure you intake in small portions. :)

[Kris10leigh]

Kris, sounds like you have issues with Sulfites.

If you do, be careful also with dried fruits that list that they have sulfites added, and with those that are organic and naturally dried, make sure you intake in small portions. :)

Thanks! I've never researched it. My brother's a severe alcoholic (sober 1 year :clap:) but I just figured my reaction to alcohol is God's way of telling me to stay away from it! ;) Hadn't related it to other food though.

[Lulav]

Yes, that does sound like a sulfites reaction, organic wines don't have it but I've yet to find an organic wine that is kosher too. I also have TMJ and drinking even a bit of wine sometimes triggers it and my jaw locks. If I have more than a half a glass on Erev Shabbat, I will awaken Shabbat morn with an awful migraine.

Wine just ain't what it used to be.

I don't agree with all the precautions taken today, I don't think they did this back in ancient times and the grape harvest was done in the fall, around Sukkot so whatever they used for Passover was already aged about 6 months.

[HadassahSukkot]

:thumbsup:

[Lulav]

However I do agree with making sure the wine is kosher, because of the ancient idolatrous practice that is still honored in many a vineyard/winery today. There are still bottles in circulation or in wine cellars that contain blood added for coloring, I think Spain was big for doing this.

[Kris10leigh]

There are still bottles in circulation or in wine cellars that contain blood added for coloring...
Um...eww...:sick:

[ContraMundum]

Also, if you are Jewish, don't forget wine should be meshuval as well if you're having guests.

[ChavaK]

Also, if you are Jewish, don't forget wine should be meshuval as well if you're having guests.

A good thing to remember if you are serving it to non-Jews
(and non-observant Jews) to prevent embarassment.
I remember one shabbas dinner where the host served the wine
by his own hand and kept it in a brown paper bag while
doing so. Fortunately the non-Jewish guest never asked
about it; maybe he figured it was just some weird Jewish
custom ;)

[Talmidah]

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I remember one shabbas dinner where the host served the wine
by his own hand and kept it in a brown paper bag while
doing so. Fortunately the non-Jewish guest never asked
about it; maybe he figured it was just some weird Jewish
custom

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[Torah613]

You are egg-axcly right! What Christians think eggs mean is
pretty irrelevant to Jews.
true dat.

[Torah613]

Unfertilized eggs are NOT "undeveloped poultry fetuses". Spots of blood in an egg doesn't necessarily mean that the egg was fertilized, it can also be caused by internal problems, like damage to the oviduct in the hen.

A chicken will lay an egg about every 25 hours without or without a rooster around.
oh these were quite fertilized--trust me.

I well understand, but still don't eat eggs, as it is a Mitzvah to be kind to animals and I can't see how supporting factory farming is good for animals. Not to mention eating eggs places oneself at undue health risks, IMHO.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

Wine at seder.

Grape juice argument strong at this point.

No leaven... is not yeast used to ferment wine leaven?

that's why you get K4P wine.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

I've heard that Vegetarians often use an avocado seed as a substitute for the egg on the Seder plate. :)
I use a whole avacodo, the seed symbolically and the flesh for eating. It has many of the same protein and fat structures, without the health risks such as cholesterol or salmonilla.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

A good thing to remember if you are serving it to non-Jews
(and non-observant Jews) to prevent embarassment.
I remember one shabbas dinner where the host served the wine
by his own hand and kept it in a brown paper bag while
doing so. Fortunately the non-Jewish guest never asked
about it; maybe he figured it was just some weird Jewish
custom ;)
an opaque decanter would also serve the same function. I happen to have a lovely faux milk glass one.

Yochanan

[ChavaK]

I happen to have a lovely faux milk glass one.

Yochanan

Does that mean you can serve it with faux meat? ;)

[Kris10leigh]

oh these were quite fertilized--trust me.

I well understand, but still don't eat eggs, as it is a Mitzvah to be kind to animals and I can't see how supporting factory farming is good for animals. Not to mention eating eggs places oneself at undue health risks, IMHO.

Yochanan

I see your point about being kind to animals, but what about eating the passover lamb? I'd rather eat an unfertilized chicken egg than a lamb.

[Lulav]

Ashkenazim don't eat Lamb for Passover. :)

[Lulav]

Also, if you are Jewish, don't forget wine should be meshuval as well if you're having guests.

I'm confused, did you mean mevushal? I don't understand the guests part?:scratch:

[Kris10leigh]

Ashkenazim don't eat Lamb for Passover. :)

Oh. :scratch: I suppose my question of "why not" would be another thread? ^_^

[Lulav]

The wine I get is Israeli , not US. Which is a little stricter for those who aren't aware. The requirement there is that it doesn't have to be mevushal but mine is. So no worries. Besides, I don't invite pagans to my Seders. ;)

[Lulav]

Oh. :scratch: I suppose my question of "why not" would be another thread? ^_^ Nope, as the OP of this thread, I grant you persimmons to ask here. :D

You will have to ask the others here though, as I lean towards my Sephardi heritage and do have lamb 4 Passover, in fact I have ( Joe and wags, turn away) 7 lamb shanks in my freezer right now, they are kosher and organic! I also will be serving a Turkey and talapia, as well as a corn dish, an some other Sephardic specialties. I don't have my menu finalized yet, but will post it when I do.

[Talmidah]

I'm confused, did you mean mevushal? I don't understand the guests part?:scratch:
He meant mevushal (lots of folks actually do pronounce meshuval).

If non-mevushal wine is touched by non-Jews or non-observant Jews, then the wine will no longer be kosher. Since a variety of people are often invited for seders, many opt for being extra careful and have mevushal wine to avoid possible problems.

[Lulav]

Then I'm covered, I was just wondering about the paper bag thing? :scratch:

[Lulav]

And what would be the law for interfaith couples? If the husband, the host is a gentile?

[ContraMundum]

He meant mevushal (lots of folks actually do pronounce meshuval).

True....around here we say meshuval but I think properly it would be mevushal.

If non-mevushal wine is touched by non-Jews or non-observant Jews, then the wine will no longer be kosher. Since a variety of people are often invited for seders, many opt for being extra careful and have mevushal wine to avoid possible problems.

That's what I was gettting at. :thumbsup:

[Talmidah]

True....around here we say meshuval but I think properly it would be mevushal. Yeah, I hear it like that all the time, never thought a think about it. :)

[Lulav]

I thought I was the only dyslexic! :D

I still would like an answer to my question if anyone is willing.

[Talmidah]

I thought I was the only dyslexic! :D

I still would like an answer to my question if anyone is willing. About interfaith couples? I'm sorry, I didn't answer because I have no idea.

Chava, you've worked extensively in kiruv, has that question every come up to you?

[ContraMundum]

I thought I was the only dyslexic! :D

I still would like an answer to my question if anyone is willing.

I'm sorry Lulav, I don't know much about the mixed-marriage question.

[ChavaK]

He meant mevushal (lots of folks actually do pronounce meshuval).




I see it spelled and pronounced both ways, although mevushal
is actually correct.

[ChavaK]

Then I'm covered, I was just wondering about the paper bag thing? :scratch:

You are not even supposed to have gentiles or non-observant
Jews look at the wine, so the bottle is kept in a paper bag while
being poured or while it is sitting out....

[ChavaK]

About interfaith couples? I'm sorry, I didn't answer because I have no idea.

Chava, you've worked extensively in kiruv, has that question every come up to you?

I have never had the question come up so, so this is all conjecture
on my part.
Better to stick with mevushal wine, because obviously you cannot
have the host serve it, nor look at it.
The wife, who is intermarried, is not observant as she is breaking
halachah by being intermarried, and thus also should not be
handling it.

Probably a good question to ask a rabbi though because I
do not know for sure.....I'll see if I can find out.

[Talmidah]

I have never had the question come up so, so this is all conjecture
on my part.
Better to stick with mevushal wine, because obviously you cannot
have the host serve it, nor look at it.
The wife, who is intermarried, is not observant as she is breaking
halachah by being intermarried, and thus also should not be
handling it.

Probably a good question to ask a rabbi though because I
do not know for sure.....I'll see if I can find out.

:doh: I didn't realize the question was in regard to the wine! I totally agree with your answer on that aspect.

I thought it was just a question in general about hosting the seder or something.

Lulav, I think your brain fog is rubbing off on me! ^_^


ETA: I just went back and reread. Now I get it. Sorry Lulav, I would have answered before but I misunderstood the question.

[ChavaK]

:doh: I didn't realize the question was in regard to the wine! I totally agree with your answer on that aspect.

I thought it was just a question in general about hosting the seder or something.

Lulav, I think your brain fog is rubbing off on me! ^_^


ETA: I just went back and reread. Now I get it. Sorry Lulav, I would have answered before but I misunderstood the question.

Of course, maybe I misunderstood the question!
Actually, I just asked a rabbi and he said that neither the
Jewish born wife nor the gentile husband should be handling
non-mevushal wine and they should stick to mevushal wine.
Anyone who is not an observant Jew should not be touching it.

[ChavaK]

:doh: I didn't realize the question was in regard to the wine! I totally agree with your answer on that aspect.

I thought it was just a question in general about hosting the seder or something.



of course it would still be a problem if a non-Jew hosted a seder
as non-Jews aren't supposed to technically attend them
(because of the halahcas involving cooking on yom tov).

[Talmidah]

of course it would still be a problem if a non-Jew hosted a seder
as non-Jews aren't supposed to technically attend them
(because of the halahcas involving cooking on yom tov). True. I guess I just never gave it a thought because its never come up....so many halachic violations, but I suppose the point is moot if one decided to forgo halacha in the first place by marrying a non-Jew. The difficult part I imagine would be if the Jewish spouse decide to make tshuva one day and the non-Jewish spouse did not want to convert. Hard choices to be made then.

[ChavaK]

. The difficult part I imagine would be if the Jewish spouse decide to make tshuva one day and the non-Jewish spouse did not want to convert. Hard choices to be made then.

Going to sleep for a while! :wave:

This issue does come up, and it does indeed lead to hard
choices. Many people think they have no interest in
religion, then that pintele yid kicks in....especially after
they have kids.
It's also an issue for people who wish to convert to
Judaism, but has a spouse who is not interested...

[Talmidah]

This issue does come up, and it does indeed lead to hard
choices. Many people think they have no interest in
religion, then that pintele yid kicks in....especially after
they have kids.
It's also an issue for people who wish to convert to
Judaism, but has a spouse who is not interested... That's true, that would also be very difficult.

[Torah613]

I see your point about being kind to animals, but what about eating the passover lamb? I'd rather eat an unfertilized chicken egg than a lamb.
don't eat either truth be known. They haven't come out with Tofamb yet, but vegetarianism is becoming a larger phenomenon in Jewish circles. There's even a website by Orthodox Jews, for Orthodox Jews, about why Orthodox Jews should be vegetarian (stating the various Mitzvoth that would be fulfilled by a balanced vegetarian diet).

Yochanan

[Torah613]

Nope, as the OP of this thread, I grant you persimmons to ask here. :D

You will have to ask the others here though, as I lean towards my Sephardi heritage and do have lamb 4 Passover, in fact I have ( Joe and wags, turn away) 7 lamb shanks in my freezer right now, they are kosher and organic! I also will be serving a Turkey and talapia, as well as a corn dish, an some other Sephardic specialties. I don't have my menu finalized yet, but will post it when I do.
I actually don't mind people eating meat, as long as it is healthy (yours being organic would qualify) and the animals are treated in a humane and kind way. Cough Cough free range Cough Cough.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

That's true, that would also be very difficult.
as the product of two generations of intermarriage (everyone done gasping yet?), my heart rends for such people. My bubbie made tshuva after my grandfather died, so the issue was solved thataways.

I still have high hopes for my mother though. Don't know exactly what would happen if, Hashem willing, that road is ever traveled.

Yochanan

[ContraMundum]

If it's any consolation mevushal wines are very easy to get these days.

(and the best thing about a Sephardic seder is rice gets served!).

Cool Sephardic seder stuff here (http://christianforums.com/Cool%20Sephardic%20seder%20stuff%20here.).

[Lulav]

Actually I was going to do a Brown rice dish, but I have rice so much that I wanted something more special so went with Quinoa. It is very healthy and full of protein, one of the best grains on the planet! I will be making it like a tabulah salad to accompany my talipia.

there is so little I can have as it is and come passover of all the K4P stuff out there I can only have a few things, one cereal , marshmellows and some horseradish sauce, everything else has either matzah meal so can't have that or MSG in it which I defiantly can't have.

[Lulav]

Oh. :scratch: I suppose my question of "why not" would be another thread? ^_^

I actually don't mind people eating meat, as long as it is healthy (yours being organic would qualify) and the animals are treated in a humane and kind way. Cough Cough free range Cough Cough.

Yochanan Yes, definatly, I stopped buying a certain Kosher brand of meats because of inhumane treatment. The Lamb I got is not only free range but is raised up on a large ranch. Same with some Buffalo I get. No hormones, or antibiotics, yuk , as close to HaShem made it for me!

[Torah613]

If it's any consolation mevushal wines are very easy to get these days.

(and the best thing about a Sephardic seder is rice gets served!).

Cool Sephardic seder stuff here (http://christianforums.com/Cool%20Sephardic%20seder%20stuff%20here.).
yeah, it stays on the shelf because noone wants to drink it! ;) Of course tis only kosher variety available in these parts. Perhaps, after Pesach, if I have any left I could use it for pancake syrup...

Yochanan