What Is This World Coming To?

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Hey Everyone,

I signed on breifly a minute ago to check my emails and saw the following news article. I'm..almost speechless. I mean, I know there's stuff out there like this..but the fact it's public like it is, and in a Roman Catholic Museum?!?!?! Just...Wow. It hurts to read this.

(Just a heads up, this article contains some adult content. For the most part, I think we're all good here..but wanted to be safe)


VIENNA, Austria - Is it art - or is it blasphemy?

Austrians are locked in a nationwide debate touched off by the brief display in a prestigious Roman Catholic museum of an etching that depicts Jesus Christ and his disciples having an orgy during the biblical Last Supper.

A chastened and chagrined Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, the top churchman in this largely conservative and overwhelmingly Catholic country, has ordered the offending artwork removed.


But the controversy rages on, with the Austrian media comparing it to the furor triggered by the Prophet Muhammad cartoons.


In some ways, it is proving as emotional as the political firestorm that occurred in New York in 1999, when then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani was so offended by a portrait of the Virgin Mary adorned with elephant dung that he temporarily cut off funding to the Brooklyn Museum.


"I've even seen web postings from extremists who have threatened to come to Vienna and blow up its museums with Molotov cocktails," exhibition curator Michael Kaufmann said Friday.


The dispute began on March 12 with the opening of "Religion, Flesh and Power," a collection of about 50 paintings, drawings and sculptures - some with homo-erotic themes - by Austrian artist Alfred Hrdlicka.


Among them is Hrdlicka's rendition of the Last Supper: a large, loosely rendered black and white etching that shows Jesus and his disciples engaging in sex acts on the table where they shared their final meal before Christ's crucifixion.

For the rest of the article, go here: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/art_or_blasphemy

We seriously need to pray. I'm just not sure for what.

[honorthesabbath]

The END, Sarah, pray for the end to come soon!

[woobadooba]

Well, since Atheism is a minority, you can be sure to know that the artist just threw his career away! What a fool! Who is left for him to market his art to? Even most atheists have enough respect not to do something like that.

But yes, Honor is right...

This is the END. There is no doubt about it. Times are very bad right now and there is no sign of improvement. Just as it was in the days of Noah. And it's happening just like that!

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

I think the sad thing is that I know some people who actually would have thought that art was great.. :eek:

To be honest, as much as I am going through trials and would love to be in the Kingdom..I do wish there was more time. There's so much to do here..so many people to help...It feels like the end is coming faster than it should at times!

Also, Hi Woob!!!!!! :hug: How ya doing, Bro? Long time no speak. :)

[woobadooba]

To be honest, as much as I am going through trials and would love to be in the Kingdom..I do wish there was more time. There's so much to do here..so many people to help...It feels like the end is coming faster than it should at times!

One thing to note here is that God has everything planned out and knows exactly who will and won't be saved. Thus you can be sure to know that before Jesus returns anyone that can be helped will receive the help that is needed prior to that. We have to try to think of things in terms of God being all knowing, rather than in terms of thinking that God can't act to bring about good things for humankind without our assistance.

Also, Hi Woob!!!!!! :hug: How ya doing, Bro? Long time no speak. :)

I'm doing well, actually. I hope you are feeling better:hug:

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

One thing to note here is that God has everything planned out and knows exactly who will and won't be saved. Thus you can be sure to know that before Jesus returns anyone that can be helped will receive the help that is needed prior to that. We have to try to think of things in terms of God being all knowing, rather than in terms of thinking that God can't act to bring about good things for humankind without our assistance.



I'm doing well, actually. I hope you are feeling better:hug:
True. :) It's hard to see beyond our mortal preceptions sometimes, though, eh?

Good to hear, Bro! I've been..a lot better, really. Regardless, still pushing on. :)

[midnightcry]

When I read stuff like this it makes me really sick. I wonder how much longer God will let this world go on. And I wonder how much worse things will get in the near future.

[TrustAndObey]

When I read stuff like this it makes me really sick. I wonder how much longer God will let this world go on. And I wonder how much worse things will get in the near future.

It's funny (well, not really), but each and every time my grandmother would watch the news she'd say "oh Lord, it cannot get worse than this!"

She died in the early 90s. Think about all the horrible things that have happened in our world since then!

[honorthesabbath]

Maybe we Christians should go blow up a building or something in retaliation of this painting.

I mean-imagine if this painting was depicting "The Prophet"!

[sentipente]

Why do we assume that any painting of thirteen men around a table is a painting of Jesus and His disciples? I don't assume that every painting of a man sitting at a computer is a painting of me.

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Why do we assume that any painting of thirteen men around a table is a painting of Jesus and His disciples? I don't assume that every painting of a man sitting at a computer is a painting of me.
Because it was painted to be the last supper, but...a perverted version? It wasn't just some painting of guys, it was the artist's goal to present Jesus and the apostles in that way.

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

It's funny (well, not really), but each and every time my grandmother would watch the news she'd say "oh Lord, it cannot get worse than this!"

She died in the early 90s. Think about all the horrible things that have happened in our world since then!
Very true. Sadly. My mom says that a lot, even about our own situation..I kinda cringe, thinking.."Don't tempt it, man!"

[sentipente]

Because it was painted to be the last supper, but...a perverted version? It wasn't just some painting of guys, it was the artist's goal to present Jesus and the apostles in that way.
And you believe that what he represents is the truth? Maybe the correct reaction is to say, that's not the truth and ignore it.

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

And you believe that what he represents is the truth? Maybe the correct reaction is to say, that's not the truth and ignore it.
I didn't say it was truth...I was more shocked that it made it into a Catholic museum, really. Had I seen it online, or in some other non-denominational museum I would have just sighed. A fair amount of my friends would have loved this, and probably woulda come out with this kind of idea themselves..

It's when you see it in the Christian community that I find it even sadder, though...It just shows the state of the world, to me.

[sentipente]

To me it just shows creativity.

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

To me it just shows creativity.
And if someone painted a picture of you doing stuff like that...with Jesus, even, would you feel the same?

It's disrespectful, to me...Granted, a lot of art can be.

[sentipente]

It appears that Jesus allowed the artist to paint his picture without any problems.

[honorthesabbath]

Senti--I'm going to abstain from reporting you for debating in this forum since you are not a traditional SDA. So I'm asking you to refrain from posting anything else in this forum except FELLOWSHIP posts.

[TrustAndObey]

I don't think Senti would be as pleased if someone painted his daughter, sister, mother doing something like that with people.

[sentipente]

How would I know they had painted my daughter, sister or mother?

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Senti--I'm going to abstain from reporting you for debating in this forum since you are not a traditional SDA. So I'm asking you to refrain from posting anything else in this forum except FELLOWSHIP posts.
Eeeep. Wait? Did I miss something? Only Trads are allowed to debate in here now? I saw the seperation of the forum..but I thought D&D was still open for anyone.

Cause I'm not Trad, or..well...really..SDA at the moment. :( I don't wanna break any rules, I just didn't know things had changed..

[sentipente]

Cause I'm not Trad, or..well...really..SDA at the moment. :( I don't wanna break any rules, I just didn't know things had changed..
Maybe you should mosey over to the Progressive/Moderate/Former Adventist forum for some uncensored and complete fellowship.

[TrustAndObey]

Maybe you should too, Sentipente. :)

[sentipente]

Maybe you should too, Sentipente. :)
You just could not resist.

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Sarah,

You are more than welcome to post here.

Your friend and brother in Christ,
Doc :wave:

[woobadooba]

Eeeep. Wait? Did I miss something? Only Trads are allowed to debate in here now? I saw the seperation of the forum..but I thought D&D was still open for anyone.

Cause I'm not Trad, or..well...really..SDA at the moment. :( I don't wanna break any rules, I just didn't know things had changed..

Sarah, you have never been a part of the problem. So don't worry about posting in here. You can post as much as you would like to.

[sentipente]

Sarah, you have never been a part of the problem. So don't worry about posting in here. You can post as much as you would like to.
That is an interesting admission for it says that the FSGs don't really mean what they say. I would not expect that from followers of the lowly Nazarene.

[reddogs]

That is an interesting admission for it says that the FSGs don't really mean what they say. I would not expect that from followers of the lowly Nazarene.

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[TrustAndObey]

Friends of the forum...oldsage, IntotheCrimsonSky, Catmommy, Catlover (we have a cat theme going on here)....a few others but I can't think of them right now.

Shhh, everybody, I'm studying. Don't post anything else until after tomorrow afternoon, k?

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

*whispers, in an attempt not to disturb Lainie ;)*

Firstly, thank you for the invitation to post here regardless. :) I appreciate that.

Untill I read the rules Red posted, I was going to have to agree with Senti, though. It's not fair to play favorites...but apparently the new FSG's allow for a bit more moving room than the old rules I knew. I guess I'm okay, then. :) I may not be SDA, but I have no intention of disrespecting or arguing the beliefs here. I'd appreciate it if someone would point out if I ever do overstep that a bit, though.

I think being a former mod here makes me a bit more cautious. ;)

Also, I'll hop over to the Prog/former board sometime too, Senti. Thanks for the invite.

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Rofl. Noticed you named Wubbles Squishy, Lainie. I once babysat two goldfish for the neighbors when they went away to Disney Land. One was called Sunshine, and the other Squishy Fishy. :D

[TrustAndObey]

Rofl. Noticed you named Wubbles Squishy, Lainie. I once babysat two goldfish for the neighbors when they went away to Disney Land. One was called Sunshine, and the other Squishy Fishy. :D

Well, I almost "changed" him to a yellow monkey, just so you know. Hoot! I was afraid the evolutionist people would just think that was some kind of confirmation of their theory....so alas, he remains a fish!

[TrustAndObey]

You just could not resist.

Oh come on, that was priceless and you know it. I bet you cracked a smile.

[honorthesabbath]

Sarah--anyone can post in the D&D section for fellowship or honest questions regarding the SDA church. But if I understand the rules correctly, non-SDA's are not allowed to debate in here.

So you are more than welcome Sarah and your postings are well within the rule boundaries.

We love you sista!

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Well, I almost "changed" him to a yellow monkey, just so you know. Hoot! I was afraid the evolutionist people would just think that was some kind of confirmation of their theory....so alas, he remains a fish!
Rofl...

Wubbles, a monkey...wow. I never would have pictured that. ;)