My Mother is pregnant

[AJB4]

We all found out a couple of days ago. She's 2 months along already, due in November.

I'm really excited. I'm glad I'll be there when he (I have a hunch it will be a boy) is born, but a couple of months later I'll probably be off to Wellington (New Zealand capital city) to study music at college/university. But oh well! Lots of visits. I want my little brother to know me after all.

I've got two other sisters who are even older than me (that's how long its been since my Mum's got pregnant). One of them is excited, like me, while the other is unhappy about it because she's all religious (not that you guys aren't, but come on! A child is coming, it's a GOOD thing).

Anyway, it's nice to be able to announce something like this.

[Macarius]

Why would your mother being pregnant upset someone who is religious?

Praise God for the miracle of life!

[Orthosdoxa]

I have the same question as Macarius.

How old is your mom, just curious?

This is wonderful news. :) A child is being born to parents who will love him or her. What's to be unhappy about?

[Nichole]

:clap: WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: CONGRATULATIONS to you and your family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-Kyriaki-]

Wonderful news! Congratulations to you and your mum!

[MariaRegina]

My prayers that she may have a safe delivery and that the little one will have no problems.

[AJB4]

I have the same question as Macarius.

How old is your mom, just curious?

This is wonderful news. :) A child is being born to parents who will love him or her. What's to be unhappy about?
My Mum is 4ty 2wo.

My "religious" sister is upset because she's not married to the guy, and she got together with the guy while she was still married to my Dad (who as good as cheated on her anyway).

[Bushmaster78FS]

My "religious" sister is upset because she's not married to the guy,

Well, I can see WHY...

[AJB4]

Well, I can see WHY...
Meh...

[Bushmaster78FS]

Are they planning to get married? What is your opinion of pregnancies out of wedlock?

[Anhelyna]

Whatever his views are , this situation is a fait accompli.

Now he has to help support his mother through it.

[Monica, child of God]

I am happy for you and your mom. I hope your sister will come to see this birth as a blessing despite the circumstances of the conception. This will be a new soul to bring up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, which is a good thing :)

M.

[Philothei]

Same here no matter the circumstances ..It is not the baby's fault. I am sure you will make a very good brother AJ... :)

[Bushmaster78FS]

No offense but are we to endorse this?

[-Kyriaki-]

Perhaps not the circumstances of the conception, but endorse new life?

Of course we'd celebrate that a child would be born.

[Monica, child of God]

A new life has been created, completely innocent and without stain. That is something to celebrate!

As for the circumstances of the conception, the mother should not be judged by us as we are her fellow sinners, but prayed for. Lord have mercy...

M.

[the_Abbot]

Congrats on your new baby brother or sister

[gzt]

Bushmaster: Yes.

[Hoankan]

Congratulations to your entire family.

[ma2000]

Congratulations! :)

[MariaRegina]

For the mother and her unborn child --

Through the prayers of St. Nectarios, St. John of San Francisco, St. Innocent of Alaska, and the Most Pure Theotokos, O Christ our God, have mercy on them, lead them to repentance, and grant them health and salvation.

[zhilan]

In a world where abortion is available at will and babies are born being seen as a burden rather than a blessing, I think, yes we should be very happy that his mother has chosen life and is welcoming this gift from God.

[Bushmaster78FS]

No one jump the gun that I am against new life, that is a ridiculous speculation. On the other hand, I am against pregnacies where there is no union, nope not PC here.

[Bessie]

Bushmaster, I'm just wondering... what do you think she should do? I don't think anyone thinks the circumstances leading to her pregnancy ideal, but surely you don't think she should terminate the pregnancy? Being pregnant is not a sin.

[Monica, child of God]

Being pregnant is not a sin.

Excellent.

Besides, it is not our place to condemn others for their sins. God knows her heart and its motivations. We do not. Even when sin is present, the level of culpability varies. All judgement is best left to God.

Of course if there is someone in our lives making harmful mistakes, we can gently warn or admonish them. But even in that we open ourselves to sin.

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. --Gal. 6:1

M.

[gzt]

Bushmaster: what possible good does your having and discussing this position do here?

[MariaRegina]

By silence we give consent, don't we?

Let us pray for her that she might be saved.

[MsDahl]

Praying that your religious sister is able to extend mercy to your mother during this time just as we have been given the gift of Mercy.

Congratulations to you on becoming a big brother.

[Bushmaster78FS]

Bushmaster, I'm just wondering... what do you think she should do?

Get married.

but surely you don't think she should terminate the pregnancy?Surely not. Why do people assume I think that?

[Anhelyna]

Love the sinner - hate the sin

[Matrona]

No one jump the gun that I am against new life, that is a ridiculous speculation. On the other hand, I am against pregnacies where there is no union, nope not PC here.

In this theme of not being PC, then, that's a horrible thing to say. How can you be "against" a pregnancy? Extra-marital sex is something to be against, but it's really not your business to start wagging your finger once God sees fit to bless the parents with a child.

AJB4 - congrats on becoming a big brother! :)

[Bessie]

Bushmaster, I can understand that. I think ideally she should be married too. Then again, if the guy is not on board it's not something you can force. That would not be good for the child or the mother. I was just trying to understand your position on this because it seemed as if you were saying that you do not condone her pregnancy. That's what had me confused.

Bessie

[Bushmaster78FS]

I was just trying to understand your position on this because it seemed as if you were saying that you do not condone her pregnancy. That's what had me confused.

As it seems a lot of people are confused about it.

Extra-marital sex is something to be against, but it's really not your business to start wagging your finger once God sees fit to bless the parents with a child.

A lot of people on TAW including you like to wag that finger when they see it fit. United States is full of example to this, single parents, births out of wedlock, no family union, and we can statistically see how these affect the kids, how they turn up. I don't know much about her faith but the proper approach is to get married and settle down the issues like finances, house, car whatnot and then attempt to have a child. Most of the time people end up saying "Oh sh@#, it was a mistake"

How can you be "against" a pregnancy?

You want me to repeat it, I mentioned the certain circumstance/criteria where I am against it. This doesn't mean abortion, it means avoid it in the first place...

[Khaleas]

You want me to repeat it, I mentioned the certain circumstance/criteria where I am against it. This doesn't mean abortion, it means avoid it in the first place...

Of course that's the best choice... but it's a bit late to make that choice now... so while we all agree that the circumstances aren't the best, there is still a gift from God on the way... Expected or unexpected, children are a gift. He has to have something in mind because he gives some children a much harder struggle than others...

[Michael the Iconographer]

Once again, wise words from a Finn!

[MariaRegina]

We must be careful to speak the truth in love, yet at the same time avoid spreading the lie that adultery and fornication are all right.

Although it is admirable that the lady has chosen to bear this child, this family needs prayers that they all may convert to the Lord and live. Otherwise, they face damnation if they do not repent.

May we all have the grace of final repentance ... and be reminded to repent while there is time. Lord have mercy.

Philothei posted these quotes and I thought that they were very appropriate:

Courage stands in the middle between cowardice and foolhardiness; humility in the middle between arrogance and servility. Modesty is a mean between timidity and boldness. Dorotheos

A man who gives way to his passions is like a man who is shot at by an enemy, catches the arrow in his hands, and then plunges it into his own heart.
A man who is resisting his passions is like a man who is shot at by an enemy, and although the arrow hits him, it does not seriously wound him because he is wearing a breastplate.
But the man who is uprooting his passions is like a man who is shot at by an enemy, but who strikes the arrow and shatters it or turns it back into his enemy's heart. Dorotheos

[Khaleas]

We must be careful to speak the truth in love, yet at the same time avoid spreading the lie that adultery and fornication are all right.

Although it is admirable that the lady has chosen to bear this child, this family needs prayers that they all may convert to the Lord and live. Otherwise, they face damnation if they do not repent.

May we all have the grace of final repentance ... and be reminded to repent while there is time. Lord have mercy.

Philothei posted these quotes and I thought that they were very appropriate:

Courage stands in the middle between cowardice and foolhardiness; humility in the middle between arrogance and servility. Modesty is a mean between timidity and boldness. Dorotheos

A man who gives way to his passions is like a man who is shot at by an enemy, catches the arrow in his hands, and then plunges it into his own heart.
A man who is resisting his passions is like a man who is shot at by an enemy, and although the arrow hits him, it does not seriously wound him because he is wearing a breastplate.
But the man who is uprooting his passions is like a man who is shot at by an enemy, but who strikes the arrow and shatters it or turns it back into his enemy's heart. Dorotheos
I don't think anyone here has said fornication and adultery is alright so I have no idea where you got that from...

[Asinner]

No one jump the gun that I am against new life, that is a ridiculous speculation. On the other hand, I am against pregnacies where there is no union, nope not PC here.

My husband and I were not married when my daughter was conceived. It was through her life that I found life in Christ. Every child is a gift. :hug:

Love,
Christina

[Barky]

My husband and I were not married when my daughter was conceived. It was through her life that I found life in Christ. Every child is a gift. :hug:

Love,
Christina

I'm sure that was a hard time. Of course, even the Lord uses the poison of our actions to create medicine for our souls.

Thank God for what he's done!

[zhilan]

My husband and I were not married when my daughter was conceived. It was through her life that I found life in Christ. Every child is a gift. :hug:

Love,
Christina
I think it's not uncommon that that is the case. There have certainly been Saints who were born from sin and Saints who have engaged in much worse before converting.

I also think it is a little dangerous and hasty that we are speculating on her state of repentance. Perhaps I missed something, but I don't think the OP stated how is mother feels about the conception, only that she has welcomed the new life. Maybe she has already repented?

How horrible would it be, especially during this time when we are coming into Holy Week and should be focusing on our own great and many sins, if we were here calling her to repentance and judging her and she had already repented?

[MsDahl]

I don't think anyone here has said fornication and adultery is alright so I have no idea where you got that from...


MariaRegina, forgive me for speaking on your behalf and if I am wrong, I will edit this post.

What I took from Maria's post was a more eloquent expression of what Bushmaster is trying to communicate. I also think she was trying to clear things up for him as to how there can be well wishes being offered in a situation that exists due to sinfulness.

And the OP can certainly be congratulated without any reservations. It is sad that his good news thread has been clouded. The sin is not his nor is it the subject of this thread. The subject is that new life will be brought forth! This is cause for celebration!

[MariaRegina]

My husband and I were not married when my daughter was conceived. It was through her life that I found life in Christ. Every child is a gift. :hug:

Love,
Christina

Praise the Lord.

Yes, children are a blessing from the Lord, in many ways.

[Bushmaster78FS]

Bushmaster, if I may be so bold to say, I almost got the sense that you are laying all the responsiblity of the consequences of the sin on the innocent child and not the responsible parties.

That is preposterous, knock it off.

Would you like to be held responsible for your father's sins? Do you think that is what God does to us? Why cannot the OP be congratulated on becoming a big brother, did he commit the sin?

Are you serious?

[Anhelyna]

The point we must not forget is --

We have no idea of the religious beliefs of AJB4's mother.

Like AJB4 we rejoice in this new life and we hope that AJB4 will bring good influence to bear on this child in the years to come.

[Nichole]

I think this thread has gotten out of context of what the OP intended. I believe AJ was truly excited that he is going to be a big brother and wanted to share his excitement with others. As to what Bushmaster has remarked, I have no comments, but I don't believe others should be accusing him of his attentions in his post or gnawing on him repeatedly for his beliefs. Enough is enough here..........you have all stated your beliefs and it is time now to get back to what the OP thread. So...........CONGRATULATIONS AJ.......may this new baby bring happiness and more to your family! :hug:

[MariaRegina]

I agree with BMW that Bushmaster has been seriously misunderstood.

Nowhere did he say hate the sinner or hate the child. Leave him be.
He is in a war zone defending his country and putting his life in risk for us.
Let us pray for him too, and for BMW, his dear wife.


It is time to pray for AJ and for his mother, that his mother's pregnancy is problem-free and that she can safely delivery this precious child.

Furthermore, we do need to pray that AJ and his whole family will draw near to Christ and find salvation.

We all need to repent.

We all need salvation.

We all need prayers.

True?


Finally, praying for salvation and heavenly joy is the greatest love we can show anyone.

[MsDahl]

It seems I cannot communicate my thoughts without being misunderstood by you Bushmaster.

Forgive me, as MariaRegina makes a valid point. You are doing a valiant deed for my freedom as well as that as the people I love dearly. I thank you for that and I will go back and edit my post. I would rather not have a heated conversation with you if I am to be scolded as a response.

[Orthosdoxa]

I love little babies. :) Enjoy this little one, AJ - play your cards right and you could be this little one's hero. :)