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Zecryphon
7th April 2008, 11:21 AM
I've always wondered what songs are being sung in churches across the country on Sunday morning and if this influences us in our walk with Christ and how we see ourselves in relation to Him.

I believe that one reason that we are so focused on ourselves in our Christian walk is not due solely to books like The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren or Live Your Best Life now by Joel Osteen, but this attitude/focus is driven by the music we use to worship God with. What did you sing this past Sunday in church to worship God? If you could post the songs you sang and the lyrics, perhaps we can see if what we're singing on Sunday morning is truly worshipping God, or worshipping ourselves. Just where is our focus during our worship time? I'll go first. Iwas visiting a WELS church as opposed to my usual LCMS church this past Sunday.

Here are the songs we sang:

Christ The Lord Is Risen Again

Christ the Lord is risen again;
Christ hath broken every chain;
Hark! Angelic voices cry,
Singing evermore on high,
Alleluia!

He, who gave for us His life,
Who for us endured the strife,
Is our Paschal Lamb today;
We, too, sing for joy, and say
Alleluia!

He, who bore all pain and loss
Comfortless upon the cross,
Lives in glory now on high,
Pleads for us, and hears our cry;
Alleluia!

He Who slumbered in the grave,
Is exalted now to save;
Now through Christendom it rings
That the Lamb is King of kings.
Alleluia!

He Whose path no records tell,
Who descended into hell;
Who the strong man armed hath bound,
Now in highest heaven is crowned.
Alleluia!

Now He bids tell abroad
How the lost may be restored,
How the penitent forgiven,
How we, too, may enter Heav’n.
Alleluia!

Thou, our Paschal Lamb indeed,
Christ, Thy ransomed people feed:
Take our sins and guilt away,
Let us sing by night and day
Alleluia!


This Joyful Eastertide


This joyful Eastertide,
away with care and sorrow!
My Love, the Crucified,
hath sprung to life this morrow.
Refrain:
Had Christ, that once was slain,
ne'er burst his three-day prison,
our faith had been in vain;
but now is Christ arisen,
arisen, arisen, arisen.

Death's flood hath lost its chill,
since Jesus crossed the river:
Lover of souls, from ill
my passing soul deliver, Refrain

My flesh in hope shall rest,
and for a season slumber,
till trump from east to west
shall wake the dead in number. Refrain


Let Us Ever Walk With Jesus

1. Let us ever walk with Jesus,
Follow His example pure,
Flee the world, which would deceive us
And to sin our souls allure.
Ever in His footsteps treading,
Body here, yet soul above,
Full of faith and hope and love,
Let us do the Father's bidding.
Faithful Lord, abide with me;
Savior, lead, I follow Thee.

2. Let us suffer here with Jesus,
To His image, e'er conform;
Heaven's glory soon will please us,
Sunshine follow on the storm.
Though we sow in tears of sorrow,
We shall reap with heavenly joy;
And the fears that now annoy
Shall be laughter on the morrow.
Christ, I suffer here with Thee;
There, oh, share Thy joy with me!

3. Let us also die with Jesus.
His death from the second death,
From our soul's destruction, frees us,
Quickens us with life's glad breath.
Let us mortify, while living,
Flesh and blood and die to sin;
And the grave that shuts us in
Shall but prove the gate to heaven.
Jesus, here I die to Thee
There to live eternally.

4. Let us gladly live with Jesus;
Since He's risen from the dead,
Death and grave must soon release us.
Jesus, Thou art now our Head,
We are truly Thine own members;
Where Thou livest, there live we.
Take and own us constantly,
Faithful Friend, as Thy dear brethren.
Jesus, here I live to Thee,
Also there eternally.


Lord Jesus Christ With Us Abide


Lord Jesus Christ, with us abide,
For round us falls the eventide;
Nor let Thy Word, that heav’nly light,
For us be ever veiled in night.

In these last days of sore distress
Grant us, dear Lord, true steadfastness
That pure we keep, till life is spent,
Thy holy Word and sacrament.

Lord Jesus, help, Thy Church uphold,
For we are sluggish, thoughtless, cold.
Oh, prosper well Thy Word of grace
And spread its truth in every place!

Oh, keep us in Thy Word, we pray;
The guile and rage of Satan stay!
Oh, may Thy mercy never cease!
Give concord, patience, courage, peace.

O God, how sin’s dread works abound!
Throughout the earth no rest is found,
And falsehood’s spirit wide has spread,
And error boldly rears its head.

The haughty spirits, Lord, restrain
Who o’er Thy Church with might would reign
And always set forth something new,
Devised to change Thy doctrine true.

And since the cause and glory, Lord,
Are Thine, not ours, to us afford
Thy help and strength and constancy,
With all our heart we trust in Thee.

A trusty weapon is Thy Word,
Thy Church’s buckler, shield, and sword.
Oh, let us in its power confide
That we may seek no other guide!

Oh, grant that in Thy holy Word
We here may live and die, dear Lord;
And when our journey endeth here,
Receive us into glory there.


Like The Golden Sun Ascending


1. Like the golden sun ascending,
Breaking through the gloom of night,
On the earth his glory spending
So that darkness takes to flight,
Thus my Jesus from the grave
And Death's dismal, dreadful cave
Rose triumphant Easter morning
At the early purple dawning.

2. Thanks to Thee, O Christ victorious!
Thanks to Thee, O Lord of Life!
Death hath now no power o'er us,
Thou hast conquered in the strife.
Thanks because Thou didst arise
And hast opened Paradise!
None can fully sing the glory
Of the resurrection story.

3. Though I be by sin o'ertaken,
Though I lie in helplessness,
Though I be by friends forsaken
And must suffer sore distress,
Though I be despised, contemned,
And by all the world condemned,
Though the dark grave yawn before me,
Yet the light of hope shines o'er me.

4. Thou hast died for my transgression,
All my sins on Thee were laid;
Thou hast won for me salvation,
On the cross my debt was paid.
From the grave I shall arise
And shall meet Thee in the skies.
Death itself is transitory;
I shall lift my head in glory.

5. Grant me grace, O blessed Savior,
And Thy Holy Spirit send
That my walk and my behavior
May be pleasing to the end;
That I may not fall again
Into death's grim pit and pain,
Whence by grace Thou hast retrieved me
And from which Thou hast relieved me.

6. For the joy Thy advent gave me,
For Thy holy, precious Word;
For Thy Baptism, which doth save me,
For Thy blest Communion board;
For Thy death, the bitter scorn,
For Thy resurrection morn,
Lord, I thank Thee and extol Thee,
And in heaven I shall behold Thee.

Nadiine
8th April 2008, 01:38 PM
even tho I was just there yesterday, I can't remember the names of the songs we sang. (well, I don't "sing"... I care about those around me) lol

I know them by tune, but not so much by name. I'll pay attn. next week and hope to post them then.

I think it's more our culture and what we're being taught than music -- altho I'm not really sure.

virtualgirl
8th April 2008, 06:08 PM
What A Friend We Have In Jesus

Because He Lives

Draw Me Close To You

I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever

. . .and a few others that I don't know the name of.

Zecryphon
9th April 2008, 03:31 PM
even tho I was just there yesterday, I can't remember the names of the songs we sang. (well, I don't "sing"... I care about those around me) lol

I know them by tune, but not so much by name. I'll pay attn. next week and hope to post them then.

I think it's more our culture and what we're being taught than music -- altho I'm not really sure.
You didn't pick up a bulletin? Snuck in after the offering didn't you, just in time to catch the sermon? I know people like YOU! I've already slapped you with the fisk once today, that's punishment enough! LOL

Artificial Intelligence
14th May 2008, 03:37 AM
but this attitude/focus is driven by the music we use to worship God with. Do you have scripture references saying that? That it's about music?
Because what I understand is that God seeks those that worship in spirit and in truth, not necessarily by how we shape our words when we sing songs. Worship is much more than singing songs, but is an act of fully giving yourself to something or someone. You can worship God through your giving, through your study, through your crayons smudged onto a wall (reminiscent of my art sometimes :D ), if it comes from us in spirit and in truth with the focused intent upon him, that is what God seeks. We should seek all avenues of worship, and give him our all, not just through song, but of ourselves in all we do.

Nadiine
14th May 2008, 10:23 AM
there you are!

Zecryphon
14th May 2008, 10:23 AM
"Do you have scripture references saying that? That it's about music?"

Psa 95:1 Oh come, let us sing to the LORD; let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation! Psa 95:2 Let us come into his presence with thanksgiving; let us make a joyful noise to him with songs of praise!

Psa 98:4 Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! Psa 98:5 Sing praises to the LORD with the lyre, with the lyre and the sound of melody!

Psa 100:1 A Psalm for giving thanks. Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth!

Because what I understand is that God seeks those that worship in spirit and in truth, not necessarily by how we shape our words when we sing songs."

What truth about God are you proclaiming in the songs you sing? How are you praising God in church if not with music and songs of praise sung to Him? What are you saying in your songs of worship? That is the key. Who are you focused on when you sing in church? Are the songs focused on you or on God or on Christ crucified for your sins?

If you think the words that we sing don't matter one way or the other, I really have to wonder how you could say that the gospel of Iron Maiden is reincarnation. How did you come to that conclusion? Wasn't it based upon the lyrics of their song? So if you're using the lyrics of secular songs to find out what people believe, why won't you do the same here? You seem to have an inconsistency in your thinking on this matter.

Worship is much more than singing songs, but is an act of fully giving yourself to something or someone.

Nowhere did I say that worship was limited to singing songs. I started this thread so we could share our worship experiences with each other and you want to debate about who's doing it right or what worship is?

You can worship God through your giving, through your study, through your crayons smudged onto a wall (reminiscent of my art sometimes :D ), if it comes from us in spirit and in truth with the focused intent upon him, that is what God seeks. We should seek all avenues of worship, and give him our all, not just through song, but of ourselves in all we do.

This is true, but this is also irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the songs we sing on Sunday morning in church, not about how we live our faith outside of the Sunday morning service. Now, what songs did you sing this past Sunday in church?

Nadiine
14th May 2008, 10:23 AM
posts are out of order.... hmmm

Zecryphon
14th May 2008, 10:29 AM
posts are out of order.... hmmm

They are? They seem to be posting in order where I'm sitting.

Nadiine
14th May 2008, 10:31 AM
I made a post after your previous one and it posted prior to yours. #6
(gosh that's confusing) lol

Zecryphon
14th May 2008, 10:34 AM
I made a post after your previous one and it posted prior to yours. #6
(gosh that's confusing) lol

Do I need to slap the CF2 servers with a 'fisk? Cuz I'll do it! LOL

Artificial Intelligence
14th May 2008, 04:37 PM
I didn’t say that the words don’t matter at all, I said that it’s not what God is really looking for. You can have the perfect wording, the most phenomenal interpretations, but if you do not sow it in spirit and truth, it is nothingness. It’s NOT the words that bring glory to God, it’s your submission to His will and desire to place Him forefront in the situation as all your world revolving around Him.

Actually it’s about you judging others based on the lyrics of the worship songs they sung on one day. Having been a worship leader for some time, I know true worship is far more than lyrics or even song. You cant hang everything on a song and judge people like that, not when the spectrum of worship covers so much more. You say ecumenicalism isn’t so much the problem with some churches but it’s about the lyrics they use for worship songs, well I disagree with that since study is a form of worship as well and ecumenical teachings are contrary to scripture and thus not giving glory to God. If such a church teaches such heresy, than it doesn’t matter WHAT lyrical content is contained in song, because there is already a lack of spiritual discernment going on and they won’t be able to sing it away. You may not be promoting ecumenicalism, but the way it was delivered take the focus off of sound doctrine and onto lyrics to determine the standings of a church, as how I saw it.


Anyway, if you weren't looking for a debate but only asking for song lyrics as you say, then you probably should have not put the thread in the debate forum here ;)

Zecryphon
14th May 2008, 06:50 PM
I put this thread here before I quit posting in ND. In fact, I'm not even bothering to read this sub-forum anymore. I only responded to your post because this thread showed up in my subscribed thread list. I'm now unsubscribing from this thread. It's been made clear to me that I'm not wanted anywhere within the ND main forum and the depth to which I can debate in this sub-forum is unknown and ultimately up to the discretion of the mods. So it's better for me, if I'm not here.If you'll notice the description of this sub-forum, it's called Discussion/Debate. That means that we can have discussions here and not have to debate, so my thread is fine right where it is and was not posted in the wrong forum. For the record, I didn't pass judgment upon anyone based upon the songs they posted in this thread. You, on the other hand, couldn't wait to judge me and accuse me falsely of judging others. This type of behavior from ND Christians, and those who are lying about being ND Christians just so they can debate in the main ND forum, is a big part of the reason I quit posting here. Also, being an LCMS Lutheran, I don't buy that ecumenicalism is a good thing and therefore I would never advocate such a practice in my posts. Where you came up with that idea from reading what I've posted thus far, will have to remain a mystery to me for two reasons. First, this post here will be my last in this sub-forum and second, I just don't care how you arrived at your erroneous conclusions about me and the things I've said.

Artificial Intelligence
14th May 2008, 07:26 PM
perhaps we can see if what we're singing on Sunday morning is truly worshipping God, or worshipping ourselves.
Well you can call it what you want (judging or not) and cry foul, but it reads as it reads. I'm just saying, if you are going to judge (as your post clearly implies), that you don't stop at worship music but examine the message of the church or pastor. I'd be more concerned with what a church is teaching rather than what music is being sung, firstly. Some churches choose music simply because it sounds good, so dismissing or overlooking heresy found in church teaching because they sing the right songs, well is not a good way to judge. I take the implication regarding the ecumenical comment in that particular way. So I don't care what songs they sing, I can't get past their teachings to participate in such worship with song, not since teaching is so paramount to being able to worship and in itself is a form of worship.

As for leaving the ND, if I was the reason you left, then why didn't you mention that in the PM you sent to me? Suddenly you hate me or what I've said? We have had lively debates, but didn't get the impression you took my comments as personal attacks as some others issued against you. Ok then, I'll bypass your posts in the future, sorry you you now say you take offense and I being a reason you left. Peace out.

Zecryphon
14th May 2008, 08:02 PM
Okay, where did I say YOU were the reason I left ND? Here's a clue for ya, I NEVER DID! There were many factors that contributed to my leaving that section of the forum and not one of them was you. Also, I haven't sent you a PM recently, so I don't know what you're talking about there. As for crying foul, I leave that to the people who hit the report button beacause I had the unmitigated gall to disagree with them. Btw, I'm not accusing you of doing that to me. I know the names of the people who did that to me.I wonder how everybody else in this thread read my post and missed this massive judgment of others you're SO convinced I'm engaging in. I wonder how that's possible.

This thread is not about disecting the theology of various churches, but just looking to see if the songs we sing on Sunday morning are reflective of what our churches are teaching about God. If you wanna know what kind of church you're in as a visitor, just look at the songs they sing on Sunday morning. That will tell you a lot about the church itself. As a former worship leader I'm sure you know this.If the songs are the typical CCM stuff that's heard on Christian radio stations, there's a good chance that the sermon you're gonna hear is gonna be just as light and fluffy. It'll probably be very focused on the pastor and his anecdotes that he or she is gonna try and desperately tie into the scripture verses as opposed to selecting some verses and teaching what those mean. Ya know the whole topical vs. expository preaching thing.

The songs are not the whole of the church's threology, but they are a good indicator of what that church truly believes. I don't know why you can't just focus on the topic of this thread, which is 'What Songs Did You Sing This Sunday' instead of needing to derail this thread into being about false teachings from the pulpit being more dangerous than the songs being sung. False teachings are everywhere.The ones coming from the pulpit are not more dangerous than the ones that may be coming from the worship leader.

Artificial Intelligence
14th May 2008, 08:46 PM
Okay, where did I say YOU were the reason I left ND? Here's a clue for ya, I NEVER DID! There were many factors that contributed to my leaving that section of the forum and not one of them was you. Also, I haven't sent you a PM recently, so I don't know what you're talking about there.

You, on the other hand, couldn't wait to judge me and accuse me falsely of judging others. This type of behavior from ND Christians, and those who are lying about being ND Christians just so they can debate in the main ND forum, is a big part of the reason I quit posting here.

As for your PM, check your outbox for April 7th, which I believe I replied to as well. You were leaving because you were fed up with being reported here, which I never did to you, and replied that I have gotten reported a number of times as well. So you said you would stick to the debate forum here, which I guess you have reconsidered since the 7th.

As for judging, I'm not worried about that, in such a case judging is to be done with the expectancy that you will be judged by the same measure. If you are keeping to the bible and judging by that standard, then it shouldn't be a problem, as long as you keep grace in mind as well, which I definitely feel I have practiced often in reply to your posts. We may often disagree, but let grace abound even so.

Happy trails.

Zecryphon
15th May 2008, 09:52 AM
AI,

I'm sorry if I came off like a jerk to you in my recent posts. I've had a bad couple of days regarding people accusing me of saying things I never said and it got to the point of me saying "Forget this, I just don't care." It's been great talking with you, even when we disagree, and maybe we'll run into each other somewhere else on this forum. :wave:

Unsubscribing.

trentlogain
20th May 2008, 11:31 AM
Excellent thread idea!

Let's see. Some of the songs that were sang include:

-He's Coming Soon
-Blessed Assurance
-Heaven's Point Of View