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LivingWordUnity
5th April 2008, 09:07 PM
The silence of Scripture on sola scriptura is deafening. But when it comes to the true authority of Scripture and Tradition and to the teaching and governing authority of the Church, the text is clear:
If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. . . . But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you. . . . If he refuses to listen . . . tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Matt. 18:15-17) According to Scripture, the Church is the final court of appeal for the people of God in matters of faith, morals, and discipline. It is telling that since the Reformation of almost 500 years ago—a Reformation claiming sola scriptura as its formal principle—there are now over 33,000 Protestant denominations. In John 10:16, Jesus prophesied there would be "one flock, one shepherd." Reliance on sola scriptura has not been effective in establishing doctrine or authority.
Source (http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2007/0701btb.asp)

Hentenza
6th April 2008, 06:56 PM
The silence of Scripture on sola scriptura is deafening. But when it comes to the true authority of Scripture and Tradition and to the teaching and governing authority of the Church, the text is clear: If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. . . . But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you. . . . If he refuses to listen . . . tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Matt. 18:15-17) According to Scripture, the Church is the final court of appeal for the people of God in matters of faith, morals, and discipline. It is telling that since the Reformation of almost 500 years ago—a Reformation claiming sola scriptura as its formal principle—there are now over 33,000 Protestant denominations. In John 10:16, Jesus prophesied there would be "one flock, one shepherd." Reliance on sola scriptura has not been effective in establishing doctrine or authority.
Source (http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2007/0701btb.asp)

LWU,

Sola Scriptura is a biblical concept similar to the concept of the Trinity. Neither is in Scripture but both are real and true. The problem that I see with your understanding is the RC's belief that they are the one and true church when Jesus is clear that all believers are the church.
The church depicted in verses Mathew 18:15-17 that you cited does not refer to the Roman Catholic Church. As a matter of fact, your church is not mentioned in scripture at all so, by your own logic, your church does not exist.
As far as John 10:16, please read the verse in context. Jesus is the shepherd and we are the sheep. He tells you in verses 7-9:
7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
The RC is not the gate. Heck, is not even mentioned, however, Jesus is and we are the sheep. You need to start reading scripture and less catechism. ;)

LivingWordUnity
7th April 2008, 12:59 AM
Sola Scriptura is a biblical concept similar to the concept of the Trinity. Neither is in Scripture but both are real and true.If any claim of doctrine should be able to be found in the Bible it should be the doctrine of Sola Scriptura since it is Latin for "Bible Alone". But the complete absence of Sola Scriptura in the Bible makes it a self-refuting claim. In other words, it is a direct contradiction, and God is not a god of confusion.

DeaconDean
7th April 2008, 01:24 AM
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