State of the Dead

[TrustAndObey]

I posted these down in D&D, but in case you missed that thread ("What is a soul?"), here they are:

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZbOGeVAgE

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH8nZsPtltA

Part 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAlqOkf3Gvs

I used to voice chat with Nicholas (from POGM) in Yahoo so it was kinda cool to hear his voice again. He's not Adventist anymore, but he's a very good man. He just has major issues with our GC.

[mva1985]

I did not see these. Thanks for reposting them.

[TrustAndObey]

Nicholas is very articulate. I always enjoyed chatting with him (even though I disagreed with him sometimes). Truly a Godly man.

[tnp2140]

He's not Adventist anymore, but he's a very good man. He just has major issues with our GC.


All those who are aware of what's going on should have issues with the General Conference. The organization is in apostasy and it's only going to get worse, just like EGW said it would. We're seeing it happening as we speak. Why did he leave though? There's a reason that the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest.

[TrustAndObey]

All those who are aware of what's going on should have issues with the General Conference. The organization is in apostasy and it's only going to get worse, just like EGW said it would. We're seeing it happening as we speak. Why did he leave though? There's a reason that the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest.

I'm sure he told me, but I honestly don't remember. He has a picture of someone in our GC kissing the Pope on his website. I think he goes into detail on his site about why he left and why he has issues with our GC.

I know he is not a big fan of compromise in any way, shape or form.

[tnp2140]

I'm sure he told me, but I honestly don't remember. He has a picture of someone in our GC kissing the Pope on his website. I think he goes into detail on his site about why he left and why he has issues with our GC.

I know he is not a big fan of compromise in any way, shape or form.


He sounds like me then :D

Unfrotunately I couldn't find anything on his site about him leaving the church. His site is a great website and full of Bible truths. It appears though that his movement/ministry is church-less in a way, or I'm being mistaken. Personally I take the position of Ellen White by not leaving the church just because of Apostasy that is happening in the church. There is no other place for us to go, and if we leave and start our own church or movement it is that much easier for Satan to introduce false doctrines and make us put ourselves on pedestals before others. There is very little time left and we have a job to wake up the people that are IN the church as well as proclaiming the three angels message to the rest of the world.

[honorthesabbath]

When I was in the Pentecostal church, I heard a great deal of sermons of people suffering in the flames of hell. One pastor in particular used to to really get down and dirty on this topic. He would go into great detail of how it feels to be burned in this life and then would of course intensify it for those in hell--RIGHT NOW!

On the surface, I used to cringe thinking how horrible that punishment must be--and with no hope of escape!! But I gotta tell ya, there was always something deep down, that just could never accept it. I used to feel guilty that somehow I was so evil for not believing the word of God on this topic of hell and man's immortality.

Then when an Adventist told me the truth about the 'soul' and what 'hell' really was--WOW--it just clicked immediately with me. I felt that at last God had pointed His finger at His word and directed my blind eyes to his truths.

I thank God for His patience in leading me to this and now I know the truth --the comforting truth--about man's state in death.

[TrustAndObey]

He sounds like me then :D

Unfrotunately I couldn't find anything on his site about him leaving the church. His site is a great website and full of Bible truths. It appears though that his movement/ministry is church-less in a way, or I'm being mistaken. Personally I take the position of Ellen White by not leaving the church just because of Apostasy that is happening in the church. There is no other place for us to go, and if we leave and start our own church or movement it is that much easier for Satan to introduce false doctrines and make us put ourselves on pedestals before others. There is very little time left and we have a job to wake up the people that are IN the church as well as proclaiming the three angels message to the rest of the world.

Really? The last time I was there (which was quite a while ago) he did have a whole section about the SDA church. He never said anything bad about the people or the teachings and he still believes EGW was inspired, but he was really mad at some things happening on the GC level.

He really is a very nice person.

[TrustAndObey]

When I was in the Pentecostal church, I heard a great deal of sermons of people suffering in the flames of hell. One pastor in particular used to to really get down and dirty on this topic. He would go into great detail of how it feels to be burned in this life and then would of course intensify it for those in hell--RIGHT NOW!

On the surface, I used to cringe thinking how horrible that punishment must be--and with no hope of escape!! But I gotta tell ya, there was always something deep down, that just could never accept it. I used to feel guilty that somehow I was so evil for not believing the word of God on this topic of hell and man's immortality.

Then when an Adventist told me the truth about the 'soul' and what 'hell' really was--WOW--it just clicked immediately with me. I felt that at last God had pointed His finger at His word and directed my blind eyes to his truths.

I thank God for His patience in leading me to this and now I know the truth --the comforting truth--about man's state in death.

It's so funny looking back now because this one belief is the one that I fought the hardest against and now it's one that I have absolutely no doubts about.

To accept it was to admit that I had been lied to by people that I trusted, and that just wasn't an easy thing to do.

Not only that, but I really did grow up believing my grandparents were up there looking over me.

My grandma had ten kids though...she liked to sleep when she could! This nap was a doozy!

The next face she sees will be our Savior's face, and that's very comforting to me!

[honorthesabbath]

It's so funny looking back now because this one belief is the one that I fought the hardest against and now it's one that I have absolutely no doubts about.

To accept it was to admit that I had been lied to by people that I trusted, and that just wasn't an easy thing to do.

Not only that, but I really did grow up believing my grandparents were up there looking over me.

My grandma had ten kids though...she liked to sleep when she could! This nap was a doozy!

The next face she sees will be our Savior's face, and that's very comforting to me!

Too right! Can you imagine how our grandparents would 'enjoy heaven' while looking down upon our woo's here?

I visited an ex-Adventist web site this am, and the owner, a Mark Martin, claiming to be an ex-SDA pastor is poo-fooing the true state of the dead with some very convoluted and twisted 'logic' as to why man is an immortal being.

I thought to myself, how can anyone in their right mind go from believing and teaching the truth, to the garbage that he is sprouting now? He may call his new church 'non-denominational', but it nothing more than pure paganism.

PS-he conveniently avoids the texts that tell us that eternal life is a GIFT, for those IN Christ Jesus.

[TrustAndObey]

He'd have to conveniently avoid a lot more texts than that one to say we're immortal before the resurrection!

And aren't all formers Non-denominational? LOL!! Ask them....I'm telling you, it's seems that's the answer every single time!

[TrustAndObey]

Let me clarify what I just said, so it doesn't look bad...LOL....

Being in a church that doesn't claim a denomination is not in and of itself a bad thing.

I just think it's a pretty safe thing, and the world doesn't know one non-denominational church's doctrine from the other so it's really hard to "guess" the doctrine and some people certainly don't offer it up.

It's safe.

You don't have to defend something you don't disclose.

[honorthesabbath]

Oh yes, I agree. But isn't teaching that man HAS an immortal soul like right up there with the occult and witch craft?

I mean once a person believes that the dead are not really dead, then of course how easy would it be to talk with them? Or have tell us to do stuff?

I had a friend in my other life (before conversion) who claimed to be a Christian and yet she often met with a psychic to talk with her dead grandmother. I had asked her once what her grandmother would tell her, but she always avoided telling me anything that went on in those meetings. This lady wound up going to prison for theft and drug involvement. Makes one wonder what old granny was up to hay?

[TrustAndObey]

LOL Honor, I don't know why, but that struck me as so funny and I've been sitting here laughing so hard I couldn't type! LOL!!!

[TrustAndObey]

http://www.remnantofgod.org/

If you go to that site and click on "videos" on the left, there's a good one called "Antichrist". Worth watching fo sho!

[TrustAndObey]

TNP, I went back to that site yesterday and I saw where he was talking about the Trinity doctrine creeping into the SDA church and if I remember correctly THAT was his biggest beef about the church.

[TrustAndObey]

Bump for Red!