Ruling: Stores allowed to sell (YEAST) bread on Passover

[HadassahSukkot]

Ynet News (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3527277,00.html)


New court ruling indicates that pizza parlors, restaurants, grocery stores are not ‘public arenas’ by law, can sell leavened goods on Passover

Though Israeli law clearly states it is forbidden to display bread and other leavened goods in public during Passover, stores, apparently, are allowed to do just that. . .

:confused: :doh:

[Lulav]

:(

State prosecutors maintained that “In a city like Jerusalem, most of whose population is not only Jewish but religious, common decency and mutual respect demand that this law be enforced. Furthermore the display and sale of bread and leavened goods is permitted during Passover in the city’s Arab neighborhoods.”this judge is obviously not a Deborah

The letter of the law

The judge noted in her verdict that “the Passover Law" is a religiously-based law, whose significance is symbolic and is not intended to formally entrench Halacha as Israeli law. It does not relate to all leavened goods, but to those products that are most obviously leavened such as breads, rolls, cakes, etc.


Stores or restaurants, said the judge, do not meet the criteria of a public arena, because although outside our homes, they do not meet the dictionary or legal definition of a public place.:scratch: They don't? My grocerie store is open to the public, strange............

[Lulav]

One restaurant owner noted that “there were plenty of demonstrations last year. One rabbi lay on the floor and began to cry. It was a very unpleasant scene. We did not give in, however. Passover is the time when our business is strongest. We are happy about the court’s ruling and will continue to do our best to please our customers.

:sigh:

[Torah613]

Problem I see in this is the buying of bread after Pesach seeing as how you can't buy leavened foods that were owned by Jews during Pesach. If the Jewish store owners are selling their Chametz to goyim, do the goyim get the money when it is sold to customers? This is an entangling Halachic delima.

On another note, why in the world shouldn't Isreal have as its law the Halacha. Of course their are some areas not covered by Halacha, but those can be informed by Halacha. Halacha is an infinitly just system of laws. Just my two sheckels worth there.

Yochanan

[HadassahSukkot]

My thoughts precicely

[Torah613]

If I had a beard, I'd be tearing it out by its roots! Oh well, I should have a nice stand by Lag B'Omer, and I'll still be pretty outraged I'm sure.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

Nice to know what people think of HaShem and His Laws.

To think the other day I was glad to think that more modern Jews are once more starting to lean back towards tradition. Such a long way we have to go.

And what on earth are customers doing going to a place that sells Chametz during Pesach?! Even if they are Christian pilgrims I would assume that they would have enough respect to not commit such a travesty.

Outrage barely defines my feelings. On the one hand I am indignant, and on the other I want to weep that people would snub HaShem so.

Yochanan

[ChavaK]

On another note, why in the world shouldn't Isreal have as its law the Halacha.

Because unfortunately the zionist founders were secular and
the Israeli courts are secular, as is most of the population :(

[HadassahSukkot]

Nice to know what people think of HaShem and His Laws.

To think the other day I was glad to think that more modern Jews are once more starting to lean back towards tradition. Such a long way we have to go.

And what on earth are customers doing going to a place that sells Chametz during Pesach?! Even if they are Christian pilgrims I would assume that they would have enough respect to not commit such a travesty.

Outrage barely defines my feelings. On the one hand I am indignant, and on the other I want to weep that people would snub HaShem so.

Yochanan
Hate to say it, but most Christians are oblivious that we remove chametz from our homes, let alone that anything other than "flat bread" is acceptable as food.

Most people don't read labels of food, and when you bring it up, they don't understand "the big deal". (I said most, not all - just clarifying so people don't misunderstand) Much of my Christian family has no clue even as to my Celiac related diet -- don't want to know either -- and make no effort at all on the Kosher diet aspect of it, let alone trying to understand rather than belittle my choices.

When you bring up what is in things, and to be careful of certain additives, colorings, flavorings (MSG as one example), or the fact x item isn't kosher because (even if you could theorhetically have it).... you get either the nice silent stare and eye-glaze over... or you get the long discussion of how "I'm right and you're wrong and I just don't understand why you can't be like everyone else"...

Even folks I know that had been to Israel before and during Pesach didn't know other than some of the traditional foods served, and bought whatever they wanted in the hotels and stores to eat on their own time.


it surely is a crazy world.

[Torah613]

Because unfortunately the zionist founders were secular and
the Israeli courts are secular, as is most of the population :(
perhaps a few of us less secular folk should go tip the mix...

Yochanan

[Mikeb85]

:scratch: They don't? My grocerie store is open to the public, strange............

Restaurants, bakeries, grocery stores are all privately owned (whether it's a single owner, or many investors), so aren't considered public spaces. While most are open to the public, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason being a private venture, though most don't. Public spaces only refers to sidewalks, parks, streets, government owned property, etc...

[Torah613]

Restaurants, bakeries, grocery stores are all privately owned (whether it's a single owner, or many investors), so aren't considered public spaces. While most are open to the public, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason being a private venture, though most don't. Public spaces only refers to sidewalks, parks, streets, government owned property, etc...
In canada and the US yes. But we are talking about Isreal here.

Yochanan

[Mikeb85]

In canada and the US yes. But we are talking about Isreal here.

Yochanan

Well, this particular court seems to have ruled that it's also the same in Israel.

[Torah613]

True. The Isreali courts are too enamored of looking like fairly prosperous western countries such as the US and Canada (really the whole commonwealth, which is ironic considering Zionism was originally an uprising against the british).

What I find fault in is that these store owners are not bankrupt. What good Jew would shop at a store that sold chametz during Pesach? In Isreal the Mitzvah states there can be no Chametz in the whole land period, whether the store is owned by Jews or not.