I'm leaving

[Colabomb]

I came here out of curiosity one day. I read for a while and started to defend Gentiles against some of the harsh and unfair things that were said about us. It Got out of Control.

Its not my forum, although i have a right to debate in this forum, i have let it spill over into the main forum and that is not appropriate. I believe certain people on this forum are quite paranoid, but it is not my place to do anything about it.

Many others have been kind and i have made friends. Most of them Jewish, people who realized that difference of opinion did not constitute antisemitism. The ones who seemed to have a problem with me were the Gentile Converts.

I wish you all well, I love you all as bretheren. But I am losing my temper, I am losing my cool and I am becoming unChristian.

Good Bye

[Ivy]

Hi Cola,

I can definitely appreciate your exasperation, and sometimes when I get spinning my wheels that way, I just take a break for awhile. We can't always do anything about other people's attitudes; we can't change them, that is the Holy Spirit's lookout.


Anyway, I don't know if you saw this post in your support on the other thread, but I wanted you to see it:

(It was on Bear With Me, in reponse to another poster's post, but hopefully it makes sense here. :) )


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There has definitely been a recurrent bad history with that--such conduct is very very wrong.

But I think your percentage may be a little high. I can appreciate your justifiable angst as a Jewish person, but I think 99% is a little high.......maybe it's like 65% that still have the bad attitude.

And Cola is not in that 65%, folks. He's said that he respects Jewish traditions and the right of Jews to be Jews, but that *he is not feeling respected as a Christian in return. This may be the heart of what he is saying, and I think it needs to be heard. He doesn't sound paranoid to me, just exasperated.

Maybe someone at this point could say something to help him feel respected as a Christian.

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And Cola: You are very supportive of the Jewish people, and no one has any reason to think otherwise of you. Don't take it to heart; you're fine. :hug: :)

[Colabomb]

Thank you for your friendly words Ivy. I consider you to be one of the friends i have made here on Messianic. You are one of the few to actually get what i was trying to say despite my terrible communication. I really was trying to express tolerance. I was trying to show that we aren't just evil Goy out to destroy Jewish Culture. It was hurtful to see the broad brushes being used here and i never intended to start "fighting" but rather to clarify what i saw as a misconception.

But the leaving is for me. I feel myself being unChristian about the whole issue. I feel myself tempted to do things that I would later regret and I am working at avoiding a snap.

Feel free to communicate with me elsewhere, in fact if you pm me, i'll send you my email address and we can stay in communication if you will. But I find the messianic forum bringing out things in me that are unacceptable, and i need to cut off that which tempts me to sin.

[Ivy]

OK, I'll PM you, and I admire your self-control; it takes maturity to just let something drop when we know it's producing bad things in us.

Please continue in the great attitude you've displayed towards the Jewish people. I know God will bless you for it, and while there may be a few who've turned a deaf ear to you, please don't let that sour you, but just know that God knows your heart, and His is the only opinion that even gets a vote anyway. :hug: Your friend Ives

[debi b]

May you be well in your journey :)

[Talmidah]

Colabomb, I am very sorry if I ever posted anything that offended you. I hope that this is simply a little break for you and that you decide to return. May you be blessed always!

[Colabomb]

May you be well in your journey :)

Thank you sister. You and I have disagreed, but i feel you have done so respectfully, and even kindly even though i have caused slight frustration at times :blush:

God Bless.

[Colabomb]

Colabomb, I am very sorry if I ever posted anything that offended you. I hope that this is simply a little break for you and that you decide to return. May you be blessed always!

I don't believe you have ever offended me Talmidah. I find you to be kind and fair. Very friendly. In fact i sent you a pm a few days ago because i thought i offended you lol, but it got lost in all the PM box clearing ive been doing.


:hug:

[Kris10leigh]

Nice to see this thread remaining positive. :thumbsup: I was worried.

[ElsanRandiMom]

Nice to see this thread remaining positive. :thumbsup: I was worried.
why was this moved to debate? weird.

I've said my say to you hon... :) Just so we "get" each other now... Say Hi if you see me elsewhere.

[Colabomb]

It wasnt' moved to debate, i put it here, so as to not draw a warning :(

[MessianicShmuely]

Personally I don't understand the fuss or the need for this thread. I liken it to a little child who likes playing marbles. The child goes to another part of the playground where other little kids are playing marbles according to Offical Marble Playing Guidebook but they play the game a different way then he does. The little kid throws a temper tantrum and says he is leaving.

You say tolerance includes listening but there has to be listening on both ends and quite frankly I don't see that on your part. You point fingers but when they are pointed back you scream don't judge me. But the Bible tells us to judge righteously REPEATEDLY.

I respect that you disagree with the Messianic Jewish school of thought and thats OK but no need to make a fuss. But if you are leaving then simply leave. And after much self examination, prayer and spiritual maturity you choose to return to have an open and honest debate then by all means return.

I wish you well as you search for the Truth.

Shalom B'Shem Y'shua ha Mashiach,

Shmuely

[Kris10leigh]

Nice to see this thread remaining positive. :thumbsup: I was worried.

So much for that. :sigh:

[Kris10leigh]

Personally I don't understand the fuss or the need for this thread. I liken it to a little child who likes playing marbles. The child goes to another part of the playground where other little kids are playing marbles according to Offical Marble Playing Guidebook but they play the game a different way then he does. The little kid throws a temper tantrum and says he is leaving.

You say tolerance includes listening but there has to be listening on both ends and quite frankly I don't see that on your part. You point fingers but when they are pointed back you scream don't judge me. But the Bible tells us to judge righteously REPEATEDLY.

I respect that you disagree with the Messianic Jewish school of thought and thats OK but no need to make a fuss. But if you are leaving then simply leave. And after much self examination, prayer and spiritual maturity you choose to return to have an open and honest debate then by all means return.

I wish you well as you search for the Truth.

Shalom B'Shem Y'shua ha Mashiach,

Shmuely

You may feel that way, but you've got 13 years on Cola. His heart was good in posting this and this kind of post happens again and again. It's clear from the title what message it will contain, so just don't read it.

My opinion. Just a little tired of the bashing.

[Talmidah]

Nice to see this thread remaining positive. :thumbsup: I was worried.So much for that. :sigh:

:hug:

[Talmidah]

Shaming someone like that in front of everyone is not a sign of great maturity either. There is always private messaging if someone really feels the need to put someone down for posting that they are leaving.

[MessianicShmuely]

So much for that. :sigh:
Perhaps I should take my bag of marbles to the other side of the playground. ;)

But seriously Cola if I have shamed you then right now I openly apologize. Debate is a good and healthy thing when done properly. I look forward to your return and I welcome it.

[Colabomb]

Apology accepted.

But the analogy is a good one i think, the marbles.

I see it differently. I believe i was playing marbles with my friends, took a break and came to watch another marble game, and alot of those marble players were making fun of the way we play marbles, saying that it isn't really a marble game at all and acting like they were the only real marble players there were.

I came over and showed them my marbles, showed them that my marbles weren't gonna hurt anyone and that in fact they could add to their game, and they made fun of my marbles and my marble playing friends even more.

And I think if i use the word marble one more time i'm gonna throw up. :P

God Bless Shmuley

[MessianicShmuely]

Apology accepted.

But the analogy is a good one i think, the marbles.

I see it differently. I believe i was playing marbles with my friends, took a break and came to watch another marble game, and alot of those marble players were making fun of the way we play marbles, saying that it isn't really a marble game at all and acting like they were the only real marble players there were.

I came over and showed them my marbles, showed them that my marbles weren't gonna hurt anyone and that in fact they could add to their game, and they made fun of my marbles and my marble playing friends even more.

And I think if i use the word marble one more time i'm gonna throw up. :P

God Bless Shmuley
Oy vey when you order your bread from the baker better make sure it's not marble rye ;-)

Shabbat Shalom!

Shmuely

[ReadingForOrders]

I came here out of curiosity one day. I read for a while and started to defend Gentiles against some of the harsh and unfair things that were said about us. It Got out of Control.

Its not my forum, although i have a right to debate in this forum, i have let it spill over into the main forum and that is not appropriate. I believe certain people on this forum are quite paranoid, but it is not my place to do anything about it.

Many others have been kind and i have made friends. Most of them Jewish, people who realized that difference of opinion did not constitute antisemitism. The ones who seemed to have a problem with me were the Gentile Converts.

I wish you all well, I love you all as bretheren. But I am losing my temper, I am losing my cool and I am becoming unChristian.

Good Bye
Smart move.

[Torah613]

Cola I am pained to see you go, but trust me I do understand. When I see all these goyim on here ripping off Jewish culture and thinking their the best thing since embroidered Challah covers, well it makes me sick. Just my two sheckels worth.

Yochanan

PS: Whatever you do when getting your bread, don't order the "Jewish rye." Its not kosher. No kidding.

[Torah613]

here here

err this was supposed to be a quote of Kris's message. what happened?

[Colabomb]

Cola I am pained to see you go, but trust me I do understand. When I see all these goyim on here ripping off Jewish culture and thinking their the best thing since embroidered Challah covers, well it makes me sick. Just my two sheckels worth.

Yochanan

PS: Whatever you do when getting your bread, don't order the "Jewish rye." Its not kosher. No kidding.


Unrelated to this thread, did you get my email friend?

[Wags]

When I see all these goyim on here ripping off Jewish culture and thinking their the best thing since embroidered Challah covers, well it makes me sick.
Yochanan



If this place and the people here make you sick why do you hang around here? :scratch:

[Lulav]

:confused:

[simchat_torah]

I came here out of curiosity one day. I read for a while and started to defend Gentiles against some of the harsh and unfair things that were said about us.No one has said harsh things. You were merely offended that people disagreed with the way you thought they should worship, and you hurled insults, inflamatory remarks, and called them many names.

It is sad that you must be so closed minded so as not to accept others in their various forms of worship.

But I am losing my temper, I am losing my cool and I am becoming unChristian. I wouldn't say "becoming". You came here like that from the start. Nothing's really changed.

But still... I bid you adue.
-Yafet

[Torah613]

I didn't say all the people here made me sick, just those who do things out of disrespect. with that in mind, asking why I stick around on this forum is like asking me why I stick around on planet earth.

I stay here because I have friends. I also feel that I can learn things from some of hte people here.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

that and where I'm living, the Jews on this forum represent a significant amount of my connection to Klal Yisrail.

Yochanan

[Wags]

that and where I'm living, the Jews on this forum represent a significant amount of my connection to Klal Yisrail.

Yochanan
But why here? Why not at a traditional Jewish forum?

[Torah613]

see above, I have friends here. Why, do you want me to leave? If so just say the word...

Yochanan

[ElsanRandiMom]

see above, I have friends here. Why do you want me to leave? If so just say the word...

Yochanan
I don't want you to go (and my religious calling probably doesn't fit here 100% either)

[Ivy]

Neither do I.

[Wags]

I never said I wanted you to leave - I asked a simple question about why you would want to hang out with people you make disparaging remarks about when there are other places on the internet where you could hang with people of similar beliefs to your own.

[Lulav]

I think he answered this:

that and where I'm living, the Jews on this forum represent a significant amount of my connection to Klal Yisrail.

:)

[Torah613]

Again Wags, my point is no matter where I go there are people I dislike. The other day i was walking down the sidewalk (of course wearing my kippah) when a muslim gentleman decided to stop me and holler obscenities.

A couple weeks ago I was in a mall with some friends when we passed one of those tacky jewelry kiosks. In their display of various religious jewelry was a magen david with a cross in the center of it.

both were offensive, but short of leaving planet earth there is nothing I can do about it. Heck I can't even become a recluse because I don't like myself at times. ;)

I dislike when goyim take from the Jewish culture something that they don't understand, such as the magen david, and then pontificate on it as if they were a Rav. I do not dislike when goyim come with respect and study our culture, and teach us something of there's as well. After all, chineese food is easily made kosher.

Finally, I don't dislike the people themselves, simply some of their actions.

Yochanan

[Kris10leigh]

Finally, I don't dislike the people themselves, simply some of their actions.


I like this especially!

And a Muslim in KANSAS felt the need to shout at you??? I'm truly shocked! I live such a sheltered life.

[Torah613]

yeah, all this sun, wind, lack of trees, and pollen does funny things to people.

Yochanan