brentsbaby612
19th June 2004, 01:58 AM
I'm under submission from my husband. Right, I get that. I love submission!!
But... I'm finding out about things that my husband hasn't found yet.http://www.nazarene.net/nazb.htm
About MJ. I believe that if he'd only search for it he'd beleive the same. But the arrogant attitudes and harshness I'm afraid have pushed him away. So I must believe what he believes now, yet I'm filled with questions and things I want him to read on. Is it possible for G-d to lead me somewhere without him? It is wrong for me to post this, but I'm so lost. I don't know which way to turn.:(
Please pray that the truth will be revealed to my husband. Whatever the truth is. I will follow my husband as commanded by HaShem.
simchat_torah
19th June 2004, 02:37 AM
Dear BB,
This is some personal advice. Take it or leave it, and please don't take offense to it either.
James Trimm has a lot of very good articles. His knowledge is very profound and I think much of what he has to say is truly on the cutting edge. However, the man himself is surrounded in controversy. It is best, in my opinion, to not be associated with him. While it may be good and dandy to read his stuff and take from it what you will, I'd be very cautious about actually becoming involved in all things Netzarim.
my 2 shekels,
Yafet
visionary
19th June 2004, 09:57 AM
As on wife to another, just as a team of horses are harnessed together, you will find the gifts of the spirit lead each to be individual in character and strengths and weaknesses in all things. The Lord has yoke us together for the salvation of both. The husband is to be the priest of the household, but the wise wife will keep the home. Our gifts as wives to lovingly train children, keep the home, feed the family, includes the same spiritual gifts to spiritually lead and teach, create a spiritual temple that the Lord may dwell, and spiritually feed the family. A wise husband praises the gatherings of this blessed other half. There will be times when it seems to be going against the "wisedom" of your husband but if the Lord leads, he is the ultimate master of us all. As Abigail, we are to do the Lord's bidding in all things.
1 Samuel 25:3 Now the name of the man was Nabal; and the name of his wife Abigail: and she was a woman of good understanding, and of a beautiful countenance: but the man was churlish and evil in his doings; and he was of the house of Caleb.
18 Then Abigail made haste, and took two hundred loaves, and two bottles of wine, and five sheep ready dressed, and five measures of parched corn, and an hundred clusters of raisins, and two hundred cakes of figs, and laid them on asses.
19 And she said unto her servants, Go on before me; behold, I come after you. But she told not her husband Nabal.
20 And it was so, as she rode on the ***, that she came down by the covert on the hill, and, behold, David and his men came down against her; and she met them.
21 Now David had said, Surely in vain have I kept all that this fellow hath in the wilderness, so that nothing was missed of all that pertained unto him: and he hath requited me evil for good.
22 So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that ****eth against the wall.
23 And when Abigail saw David, she hasted, and lighted off the ***, and fell before David on her face, and bowed herself to the ground,
24 And fell at his feet, and said, Upon me, my lord, upon me let this iniquity be: and let thine handmaid, I pray thee, speak in thine audience, and hear the words of thine handmaid.
25 Let not my lord, I pray thee, regard this man of Belial, even Nabal: for as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly is with him: but I thine handmaid saw not the young men of my lord, whom thou didst send.
26 Now therefore, my lord, as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, seeing the LORD hath withholden thee from coming to shed blood, and from avenging thyself with thine own hand, now let thine enemies, and they that seek evil to my lord, be as Nabal.
27 And now this blessing which thine handmaid hath brought unto my lord, let it even be given unto the young men that follow my lord.
28 I pray thee, forgive the trespass of thine handmaid: for the LORD will certainly make my lord a sure house; because my lord fighteth the battles of the LORD, and evil hath not been found in thee all thy days.
29 Yet a man is risen to pursue thee, and to seek thy soul: but the soul of my lord shall be bound in the bundle of life with the LORD thy God; and the souls of thine enemies, them shall he sling out, as out of the middle of a sling.
30 And it shall come to pass, when the LORD shall have done to my lord according to all the good that he hath spoken concerning thee, and shall have appointed thee ruler over Israel;
31 That this shall be no grief unto thee, nor offence of heart unto my lord, either that thou hast shed blood causeless, or that my lord hath avenged himself: but when the LORD shall have dealt well with my lord, then remember thine handmaid.
32 And David said to Abigail, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, which sent thee this day to meet me:
33 And blessed be thy advice, and blessed be thou, which hast kept me this day from coming to shed blood, and from avenging myself with mine own hand.
34 For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that ****eth against the wall.
35 So David received of her hand that which she had brought him, and said unto her, Go up in peace to thine house; see, I have hearkened to thy voice, and have accepted thy person.
Not that I expect you to have this kind of extreme situation, or that your husband is this foolish, but it does illustrate that though we are subserviant to our husband's wishes, it should only in our service to Yeshua that it be so. He gave us brains and expects us to use them. We are to be the helpmeets for our husbands. Sometimes our wonderful husbands have blinders on and do not see the bigger picture. We are there to help our husbands be more well rounded, thus completing them and us as one. We are not to leave our family in darkness as we rush off into more light, but to teach and learn together as a unit binding the famiy in faith.
May we, family united, support our husbands, help meet all their needs, so that together we will be the "one" that the Lord has designed us to be in marriage.
Visionary
Henaynei
19th June 2004, 10:21 AM
I would gently echo what Yafet said.....
brentsbaby612
19th June 2004, 11:42 AM
Dear BB,
This is some personal advice. Take it or leave it, and please don't take offense to it either.
James Trimm has a lot of very good articles. His knowledge is very profound and I think much of what he has to say is truly on the cutting edge. However, the man himself is surrounded in controversy. It is best, in my opinion, to not be associated with him. While it may be good and dandy to read his stuff and take from it what you will, I'd be very cautious about actually becoming involved in all things Netzarim.
my 2 shekels,
Yafet
yafet,
Thanks for the warning, but I would never get involved in something without completely researching it first. I wasn't even concidering becomeing involved in Netzarim. But that's probably another good reason I should play it safe and only go were my husband leads. I posted that website because I was reading it last night and some of the stuff was starting to make sense. It didn't before. I was just looking up on the history of christianity because of my last thread. I've also been checking up on the Beit din(did I spell that right?). This is just some of the things to name a few that my husband has no interest in but I do. :scratch:
Henaynei
19th June 2004, 11:48 AM
Someitnes HaShem uses our spouses to either goad us to growth or restrain us from running ahead of where He wants us to be at the moment....
brentsbaby612
19th June 2004, 11:56 AM
Thanks for the scriptures visonary!:)
visionary
19th June 2004, 02:28 PM
Thanks for the scriptures visonary!:)
The Lord will bless you in your home ministry. Prayerful guidance from our saviour will lead both to the saving grace that Yeshua wants us all to have. :hug:
May God bless you and yours :bow:
Visionary
Mikhael
20th June 2004, 04:20 AM
BB,
I hope you don't mind me calling you that as well. I also would like to third Yafet's comments. I'm going to try to word this carefully so as not to commit L'shon HaRa. I didn't get involved with Trimm (during the time I ran a messianic shul) in regards to becoming a member of his organization. I did get involved with him on a slightly more personal level in that I would talk with him semi-regularly. He'd call and ask my advice on certain things, just kidding.
Like Yafet said, there are some of his articles that I think are great and enlightening. An example is his article on Halachic Authority. All exept the last part of it where he says that believers shouldn't accept Rabbinical authority but you should have your own beit din to decide Halacha. He is obviously the head of that that Beit Din. Later in a responsa to Nazarene Judaism, he says that if you want to join that organization and be considered a Nazarene Jew you must denounce all other Messianic affiliations and say that Nazarene Judaism (as defined by SANJ) is the only valid expression of Messianic Judaism. From what I've read of your other posts, that's NOT something your husband will go for. ;)
When reading his stuff, remember that he's able to impress you because he's got what seems like a lot of knowledge. However, once you get into the Jewish world and start dealing with some of the very respected Rabbis, they'll show you where his knowledge is really not Jewish based, if you understand what I mean.
Be Well,
Mikha'el