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muffler dragon
18th June 2004, 08:55 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040618/ap_en_mu/madonna_esther_4

Just thought you might find this interesting; neither good nor bad.

Nathan

Sephania
18th June 2004, 09:41 AM
Childrens book author:confused:

Madonna may have made a career on rebellion, irreverence and sexually charged performance, but when it comes to her children, manners are important.
Yakov and the seven thieves




Call Me Esther

Madonna also speaks candidly with McFadden about her study of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah, which she believes is "incredibly punk rock" and anti-establishment. "Kabbalists believe in immortality. They believe that you can overcome death, overcome illness, whatever, so, it's … incredibly good to be a rebel," she said.



Yet she espouses the power of prayer, Not hard to tell what spirit rules her. :(



http://www.platinum-celebs.com/music/news/007669.html



Esther -- Ishtar -- star, not hard to figure out where that came from.



I think I am going to be sick now, no wonder Israel passed a law that allows the sale of pigs.:sigh:

muffler dragon
18th June 2004, 09:47 AM
Another part that confuses me even more is that she has this supposed embracing of religion, but I have heard on the news that her latest tour presentation is the raunchiest of all her tours. Women on women and other types of deviant things.

Sephania
18th June 2004, 10:05 AM
I saw on the news the other night a man on the street interviews about her ticket sales and why she hasnt' sold out all her dates in NY. From the remarks I heard from "all walks" of life really saddened me, especially the one that said she was so influential, especially since she has gotten so religious lately. :sigh:

In all the interviews I read about her new name change did not really explain why except that she wanted to associate herself with the energy of the new name. Madonna the G-dly Queen, now where have I heard that before?

L-RD I thank you for being so long suffering but enough already!

iitb
18th June 2004, 11:42 AM
Moved to the main forum, because it fits better here. ;)

As for the topic at hand:
Call her Esther: That's the Hebrew name Madonna has chosen for herself as a follower of Kabbalah.
Um, I could be wrong, but I don't think "Esther" is a Hebrew name. It's a book in the Tanakh, but I believe the person it's named for actually had a Habrew name as well; Esther was the name she was given in captivity.

Talmidah
18th June 2004, 11:46 AM
Um, I could be wrong, but I don't think "Esther" is a Hebrew name. It's a book in the Tanakh, but I believe the person it's named for actually had a Habrew name as well; Esther was the name she was given in captivity.
Her proper name was Hadassah

iitb
18th June 2004, 11:47 AM
I had to look it up, because I can never remember the woman's actual name:

And he had brought up Hadassah, that is Esther, his uncle's daughter, for she had neither father nor mother, and the maiden was of comely form and of comely appearance, and when her father and mother died, Mordecai took her to himself for a daughter.

iitb
18th June 2004, 11:48 AM
Her proper name was HadassahYou beat me to it! :P

Talmidah
18th June 2004, 11:53 AM
You beat me to it!
Well, you know me...the fountain of all knowledge :P ^_^

Sephania
18th June 2004, 11:57 AM
Somebody needs to dust off her bible! ;)

simchat_torah
8th July 2004, 05:14 PM
I dunno... I wouldn't say neither good or bad, I think I'd definately go with "bad" on that one. :(

Ruhama
8th July 2004, 09:55 PM
She's one among many, IMO. I don't worry about her so much because the world itself is full of this sort of thing. I mean yeah it's not good, but it's not surprising.

/me turns off cynical mode ;)

Sephania
12th July 2004, 09:58 AM
No, indeed it is actually to be expected, HaSatan will try anything now. I just feel sorry for her, because she thinks she has found the real thing and she is just still being deceived.

Talmidah
12th July 2004, 10:08 AM
Now, has Madonna actually converted or has she just changed her name because she likes 'Esther' better?

ShirChadash
12th July 2004, 10:20 AM
I don't think she converted (I could be wrong... not like i keep up on Madonna ^_^ ) but she just took it.